Criminalizing strippers' work makes young women more vulnerable | Opinion

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• max_starr

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  7 years ago

  amazingly well written article...
• GACA

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  7 years ago

  The sexual Revolution was over 50 years ago and we're still acting this Victorian.
  
  Nah not buying it, just like MADD, politicians only concern themselves where there's money to be gained. DUIs are a billion dollar business. Now people are using Uber and soon self driving cars, guess they're looking for the next Golden Goose already.
• Dominic77

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  7 years ago

  The trafficking angle has been used because they can’t outright ban SCs and they know it. We as men need to stop acting whipped and defeated and push back against this crap where government tells us what vices we can and cannot have. As it is SCs are just about the only thing we have left that isn’t feminized to be inclusive.
  
  Don’t get me started on the idiots who point out that “I don’t drink and I don’t see why you’d need alcohol to enjoy the company of exotic dancers.” Look I’m not a smoker and I really hate second hand smoke but I think the way states or local governments banned smokers was wrong. When the government or the voter referendums are power enough to take away smoking or drinking, they are powerful enough to take away T & A and 2-way contact. The problem is government.
• chessmaster

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  7 years ago

  "We as men need to stop acting whipped and defeated and push back against this crap where government tells us what vices we can and cannot have. "
  
  Yeah they definitely need to back off and let people do what they want as adults. Guns, have as many as you want. Gambling, gamble until you're broke. Thats not my business. Drugs, if it were up to me at the very least weed would have been legal decades ago. Alcohol would be sold 24/7/365 everywhere. They really need to just mind their business and stop wasting resources on power trips. Hell if we would stay out of foreign affairs and stop playing "world police" they might actually be able to solve our own problems here.
• orionsmith

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  7 years ago

  Politicians are hurting legal ways for women to make good money in their attempt to crack down it sounds like it. Sounds like they are hurting women's rights to work where they want to. I've heard it before. Politicians see an easy scapegoat attacking strip,clubs. I've read that strip clubs are actually more akin to female work places not make work places. If you think about it, females work there and the place is designed to accommodate female workers with protection for females with bouncers and security. When politicians in their attempt to attack a place they don't like, they are actually attacking females and female rights to work where they please. The fact that some men enjoy visiting seems to be all they think about instead of the fact that such work places provide employment and good jobs for many females.
  
  If we said elected officials promoted human trafficking by arguing a government body that attacks work places and shutting down legal means of employment promotes trafficking because they force people to seek money by any means possible, then we should get rid of all such elected officials, they would likely say hogwash even if it was true.
  
  They are as bad as agents shutting down Platinum Plus just because they wanted to by doubling the money agents spent to astronomical amounts like $2000 a visit until people cracked and they could claim a violation of the law. I remember a stripper told me a male customer said for $2000 bucks he would give a male customer a BJ. I think for astronomical amounts of money, many people are willing to break the law. I think that is bs allowing a business to be shut down when they are willing to spend that much money that is not fair and reasonable where almost any business could be shut down unless all the employees didn't need to work in the first place. I can think of many restaurants where female waitresses might break the law and be willing to perform sexual acts if you spent less than $2000 a visit and did that for less than a year.
  
  Governments and the people do control what businesses they allow to operate in their cities though. If they don't have certain businesses, people leave or refuse to locate there. I did hear New Orleans was suffering from many problems. Sounds like city officials are trying to blame some of it on strip clubs. New Orleans is a major disaster waiting for another Katrina part 2. In this case, it might be best for dancers and make customers to leave before the city gets destroyed for good. It's really just a matter of time. Since government can't handle their own problems, just one major hurricane will likely destroy the city. I read right now, there is major flooding if it rains too much. Ok ending my two cents opinion. I didn't even read the link but I believe strip clubs are often attacked for the same old arguments all the time.
• orionsmith

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  7 years ago

  I did read the article. It read just like I thought it would. Maybe I already read it somewhere. New Orleans is doomed though. It might currently be a fun place to visit but don't count on that lasting long especially if they shut down all the strip clubs. New Orleans obviously doesn't want to please visitors anyways it sounds like. One day, it will get pretty bad for residents who didn't leave. They city will face massive flooding again. Governments will not want to spend money to fix it. Already flooding is a problem I heard when it rains too much. Of course if you want to visit before the city is destroyed, dont wait too long. Since its several feet below sea level, it's really just a matter of time before no one wants to visit. Not trying to be mean to residents, it's just a matter of governments not spending money to protect jobs and residents and the city.
• chessmaster

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  7 years ago

  "see very little public support for our overly moralistic legislature, so I'm completely convinced that its just politicians."
  
  You're right. The thing is most people dont care enough to say anything. And the people that do care, nobody wants to publicly be pro sex-work.
• orionsmith

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  7 years ago

  Sex workers are thought of by several as low class citizens probably lower than some minorities long ago. If someone says they are a sex worker or prostitute, many people think eew, I don't want to be publicly associated with such a person. If people could tell by looks alone they would probably want the sex workers to sit at the back of the bus or away from everyone else. They are discriminated against big time, unless you like them. Even priests in church discriminate against sex workers saying if you have sex with a prostitute, you are like bottom scum. Discrimination is still going on. I have become more aware of it in various ways over the years. You hate it when you feel like discrimination is affecting you even if you can't prove it.
• orionsmith

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  7 years ago

  Many customers won't want to publicly support sex workers since it is so stigmatized. At the last place I worked at, it was against company policy to even visit a strip club if I was publicly identified as an employee of the company, That meant if I was publicly identified on Facebook or LinkedIn as an employee of company xyz, they could fire me for breaking policy if I said I even visited a strip club. Not fair but that's the way big companies operate.
• orionsmith

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  7 years ago

  In the example above, I guess strip club customers and potentially clients of sex workers can get stigmatized as well and face severe repercussions from any public support. Hence big business and society keeps everyone silent but the sex worker herself.
• Cashman1234

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  7 years ago

  A misguided effort to decrease trafficking - done by politicians who don’t examine the facts and who go after the low-hanging fruit. It’s bad to allow this to occur. If this is coupled with any degree of corruption in the police enforcing the laws - then it can become a complete mess!
  
  These efforts definitely do nothing to decrease trafficking.
• san_jose_guy

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  7 years ago

  Actually the Trafficking Angle started when the puritanical type of feminists no longer had Porn to crusade against. The reason for this is just that the Internet was built by porn, and it has made it so common that the arguments against it no longer evoke fear. So they switched to Trafficking. How else do you stigmatize the activities of consenting adults. Its all a war of women against women.
  
  Intolerance, 1916, pay especial attention to "The Uplifters".
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zzXYPJA…
  
  SJG
• GACA

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  7 years ago

  Ummm that movie is way too long. Where's a Cliff Notes version