When she ends the dance early at no additional cost to you

Liwet
If she walks away smiling, you spent too much.
I don't get stripper logic but thinking over this situation has kind of pissed me off. Dancer I'm attracted to comes over and tries to sell me some dances. We hash out the details, no VIP only floor dances, I offer $60, she counters with $100, we settle on $80. We got to the floor dance area in the corner of the room. We start the dance, she wants to dance for me; I just want to talk with her, nuzzle and cuddle her, and grope her body parts. She wants to rub her ass against my dick, I want her to face me the entire time.... Whatever. We find a compromised position where we're both getting what we want. She doesn't mind being touched but doesn't like attention from management when it happens.

The position the girl was in, facing away from me with all her fun bits facing out towards the club, is not a position I prefer her in. I prefer her straddling my lap and facing me. When she's facing away from me, management can see everything my hands are doing, and despite my relationship with them, I still like to keep everything discreet (I'm working on trying to give less of a fuck though). My main concern with her facing away from me is that it will make her stick out since practically every girl I dance with gets into the same position so management will want to know what is up with her; what freaky thing is she doing with me that no other girl has done?

And I'm right. She starts getting antsy thinking that management is watching her and as the second song ended, she asked me to just pay $40 instead of $80. I'm not into LDK but I was kind of pacing myself through the 4 songs. If I knew I was only going to get 2 dances, I would have been a bit more aggressive to maximize the groping. It kind of pisses me off, like I was robbed, even though I only paid $40 for 2 songs and got some good 2-way contact (hard to convince a girl for any amount of pussy play for less than $100 in Vegas).

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  • Dominic77
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    7 years ago
    Liwet,

    Sort of hard to comment on as I wasn’t there and I’m not her. But maybe I can offer some guidance to help you in the right direction.

    First, negotiation is about give and take. I agree with subraman in that win-win, rather than zero-sum is possible, for both you and her!

    Second, something made her walk away from guaranteed money. dancers don’t normally do that. Think about that. She was okay with it, then something made her think it wasn’t worth it any more.

    Third, she’s using defensive dancing. That’s a trick to get the club or bouncers to be the bad guy. She’s doing that for a reason.

    Fourth, You got to ease into it and ease her into it. I know she’s a sex worker, and she agreed to 4-for-80, but there’s a way to touch a woman and ease into it, while working with consent, and still getting value an still getting the high mileage lappers that you want. Read how Chili Palmer, rogertex, Papi_Chulo, subraman, JS69 do it.

    Fifth, she might have just been over stimulated from the shift or the week, and maybe her lady parts were tender. I dunno.

    I’ll respond some more in the morning, time for bed.
  • PaulDrake
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    7 years ago
    Glad I don't live in Vegas.
  • GACA
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    7 years ago
    When you stick quarters into machine expected to act mechanical.

    You want premium service start paying premium prices.

    If money was flirting... You're just insulting
  • PaulDrake
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    7 years ago
    It might also be better to try and make yourself think of this situation as a disappointment rather than something that makes you angry.
  • Bj99
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    7 years ago
    So you were wanting to LDK, were you expecting more vigorous grinding than she was comfortable, or more boob groping? What exactly was her complaint?
  • GACA
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    7 years ago
    ^^^ obviously she felt like she was risking her job to some degree, sweeten the pot.

    Or she just doesn't like you as a person and you creep her out... Sweeten the pot.

    Just from what I read your ego is off-putting and you're probably not that funny so you just have it completely shity personality... Sweeten the pot
  • Darkblue999
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    7 years ago
    Don't bargain for dance prices.if you bargain you will get mediocre services like you described.
  • Cashman1234
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    7 years ago
    It seems that she was uncomfortable from the start. The price may not have been enough to compensate her for the dangers of being spotted by mgmt or bouncers.

    If she was dancing for you - and moving - with her naughty parts facing away - there was less chance you could grope her - and it’s possible the mgmt and bouncers would be more inclined to let it go.

    In certain cases - a negotiation can be one sided - and there is a danger in making dancer feel totally inhibited - as she might under perform - or not perform.
  • Liwet
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    7 years ago
    No she doesn't allow LDK but wanted to rub her butt against my crotch and dance for me.
  • san_jose_guy
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    7 years ago
    " We start the dance, she wants to dance for me; I just want to talk with her, nuzzle and cuddle her, and grope her body parts. She wants to rub her ass against my dick..."

    Liwet, maybe now you are starting to perceive the problem. Dances are for chumps!

    Lap Dancing started at SF MBOT, and what it meant was lap sitting. What else went along with that varied widely, from just titty squeezing, to DFKing, FIV, and even some FIA. At that time there was no FS.

    Booths and back rooms were invented by some sort of collaboration of the Mafia and Deja Vu. They don't necessarily increase the mileage. Mostly they just increase the cost while spoiling the choreography. A girl giving you a 'dance' is not really having to open herself up to you. As such, I say, The One Who Buys A Dance Is A Chump. And such a club, based on no front room intimacy, but on selling dances, is a CLIP JOINT. They are selling something which is bogus, because the girl has not opened up to you.

    So in the beginning, all front room, and with no agreed upon time intervals, it was always a much freer and more fluid situation.

    So at your club when a dancer comes over and tries to sell dances, deflect those offers. What you want is for her to sit with you and let you hand her money. There does not need to be any agreement about this. Best is just to hand her money. You might make a compliment on what she is wearing, like her shoes, because such things cost her money.

    Ideally you will be able to get to know each other and cuddle and nuzzle as you suggested.

    Best is to get a front room makeout session going. Then when it is time for your own pants to come down, you invite her to the back room

    Then take her home with you to continue, and keep on seeing her regularly. And then of course it is best if you select the girl and approach her yourself. Select the girl you want to be waking up with in the mornings regularly. And learn how to make her understand this.

    SJG

    Bro Topia, Emily Chang

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    Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa
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    Three Books Of Occult Philosophy

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    Taliesin McKnight, Tyler Texas

    Secrecy & the Occult: Is it Important?
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    Spirit Summoning Procedures & Advise - Ceremonial Magick 101
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