After decades of retirement I have recently rediscovered strip clubs. I have a question for you SC aficionados. If someone wants the extra's why go into a tiny closet for 15 minutes when you can dial up a escort for the same money or less and spend 60 minutes in a comfortable hotel bed? Obviously you get to chose from a parade of talent and it's a lot more spontaneous but what are the other benefits? Thanks in advance for your responses.
“Obviously you get to chose from a parade of talent and it's a lot more spontaneous.” I think you answered your own question. Plus, with a little bit of effort, you can spend the time in your hotel bed instead of a dingy hotel room.
it is a good question and each person will have their own thoughts, but for me, I will never pay $200 in a strip club when I could get an unrushed session with an escort for roughly the same price. The key with escorts, like clubs, is doing research, but full service in an open dance area is uncomfortable. Now, if I am looking for a nice bbbj, a strip joint is a much quicker and, if you know what you are doing, a more cost effective transaction.
My long answer is here: https://www.tuscl.net/?page=post&id=4473… That article focuses on OTC with strippers -- which is 1000x better than any escort experience, and since OTC is something that's done with strippers, that is an answer by itself. But, I think you're asking about ITC, and while I think the answer isn't quite as compelling, there is an answer.
BEAUTY: We start with the fact that when that escort opens the door for the first time, she won't be as hot as her pics, and the excitement is in how MUCH less hot she'll be ... which is a type of excitement I don't exactly love. More generally, hot strippers are far hotter than hot mid-priced escorts; I'd claim you could go to a decent strip club on a Saturday night, and probably see 15 strippers who are as hot as the hottest escort you've been with.
LUST and the HOTNESS of the overall experience: With an escort, you have an hour to get in, get to know each other a few minutes, shower, 50 minutes of sex, shower, go home. With a stripper, with many of us PLs, we're getting horny looking at the stage shower, getting even hornier doing a lap dance or two with her, flirting out on the floor ... suffice it to say, it's not uncommon that by the time I'm walking into the booth with that stripper, I'm a dysfunctional mess of lust, and THAT leads to far more amazing sex, even for 15 minutes, even in a little booth. As opposed to how I feel with an escort -- still a little stressed from trying to find a decent parking spot in the fucking city that's near her place, still a little disappointed that her pic is a 9 but she's a 7 (but meanwhile, I get to fuck legit 9s at the strip club), trying to decide how much I like her based on our 2 minutes of inorganic smalltalk before I went to shower. That's not even taking into account the fact that strippers often do things like send naked pics and snaps to get me revved up beforehand.
TIME is TIME is TIME: This statement of yours might be the ultimate difference between our outlooks: "why go into a tiny closet for 15 minutes when you can dial up a escort for the same money or less and spend 60 minutes". Many of us here love going to strip clubs. I personally love being out and about among people, in a strip club, watching girls gyrate on poles, watching gorgeous girls wander around in g-strings, getting dances, flirting and drinking. I'm often in the club of 3 hours -- and every second is a second I enjoy. I get it that for you, the only time you value is the time your dick is in a hole. Nothing wrong with that! And of course, with that type of value, you won't value the rest of the time at a strip club. For me, I value all my time at the strip club, and I "count" all that time as our time together; and even if my dick is only in a hole for 15 minutes, I want it to be 15 mind-blowing minutes with a chick who has driven me crazy.
THE BOTTOM LINE: Even if the two of us spend the same amount, here's the tally based on my personal values: 1. You were with a 7, I was with a 9, 2. We spent the same amount but you had fun for 50 minutes (minus shower time), I had fun for 3 hours, 3. You walked in in whatever frame of mind you were in, I got a lot of time of flirting and lust, 4. You got 50 minutes of ok sex, I got 15 minutes of fantastic if not mind-blowing sex.
Anyway, I realize nearly everything I said above is subjective and you could argue with all of it, and you might be right for you, and I'm right for me. Just giving you the view of someone who loves strip clubs. For myself, the bottom line is this: I am not a "I just want my dick in a hole for as long as possible, nothing else matters" guy, and I personally do not enjoy or value the escort experiences I"ve had, and don't bother partaking. For me, it's strippers, seeking arrangements, or sensual massage.
I have had great times with both. I personally prefer the escort if it is the right lady. Sometimes, I go to the strip club , there are not enough unoccupied dancers. Sex is not always a given. When I pick an escort, I know what is on the menu if I’ve done my research. No covered oral like a lot of strippers push. Detroit clubs are great. When
I travel to Chicago, I line up an escort in advance. I have never been disappointed. I will be seeing a retired adult performer soon for my second time. She is incredible and I am in my own hotel room. IMO , sex is usually better for me with escorts.
"No two people's life experiences are the same.. "
You will find many opinions examples etc on this site as why OTC sex with a stripper is the "caviar of the sex industry".
From seen them in person (no bait and switch) and establishing a relationship ITC, the trill of the hunt, convincing them to do OTC, Spending more time for less money, dinner some times, going out, overnights sometimes, closer to a GFE encounter.
I agree with that because i have experinced some of that.
However, I wrote an article about my ATF Woman:
https://www.tuscl.net/?page=post&id=5080… Wher I explained why my encounter with an high end Russian escort in Beverly Hills was the bes sexual human experience in my life. Part of it was that she was beatiful a 10 in my opinion, nice and sexy to me and seemed to enjoy sex (orgasmed and squirted). I mentioned a quote from TUSCL:
"The cure for ED (Erectile Disfunctio) is a beutyfull 25 year old girl..."
And remember you can't win the game if you don't even play it.
Just be prepared and aware of the rules of the game, learn from your mistakes and losses, and like Keny Rogers said:
"If you are going to play the game, boy
You have got to learn to play it right.
You have to know when to hold them,
Know when to fold them,
Know when to walk away
And know when to run..."
Good luck on your search for the answers.
I hope you have good experiences and share them, to help others learn from them.
Some great comments and wow Subraman, you made some really excellent points that I never considered. Thanks for sharing your article and your wisdom. I'm an old guy but a newbie to this era's SC which in my day we commonly called go-go bars.
I have now done the escort thing 3 times, including in Budapest just 2 nights ago, and all 3 times the girl that showed up was either not the girl in the pictures, or an older/bigger version of her pictures. I think I’m about done with that. Plus it’s just too expensive for a dinner date or overnight ... not worth it. And none of the GFE was per my expectations. So I think that I will stick to strippers where you actually can see what it is you’re buying!
i've looked at the escorting pages. many of the women, if not most, look very weathered.
if they don't look weathred, then they look too plastic (the picture is photoshopped)
there's a lot more excitement in the club as to whether or not the hot dancer you like even does VIP, and what she does while she's in there.
Over a 10 year period my work had me traveling about 60 days a year and probably averaged 20 escorts per year. (200 total estimate). Of the 200 there were maybe 5 or 6 9's and I remember them well - Nashville, Atlanta, Savannah, and Chicago. I also had one grab $400 off my nightstand and run before anything happened (Las Vegas)
About 10 years ago I started visiting strip clubs and learned that sex with strippers was an option. In the 10 years I've spent far more money on far more frequent sex by far hotter women. I've concentrated on my ATF but have also had encounters with at least 10 others. Most of my sex with strippers has been OTC.
I'll take strippers over escorts any time.
I would say that the advantage of Strip Clubs is the f2f first meeting and the associated front room fraternizing, before agree to anything in the back room.
Escorts and AAMPs do offer a higher percentage of great FS. Like Red Book GFE was DKF + DATY + BBBJ + MSOG. Typically people booked 1 hour and put it all to good use. Guys who did lots of this were good at it, gentle with the girls. But the girls still got a good workout, just from their own muscle contractions and from doing session after session after session. They were napping any chance they got.
But it is still better when the two parties can meet for the first time f2f. If you select the girl and visibly extend yourself in approaching her. Even in a hard core P4P venue, that still carries a great deal of weight.
And of course you don't want to be buying dances, you want to be engaging with your girl in the front room, respecting her expectation of money, and treating her like a total civilian. The front room is where you can lead the interaction and treat your girl like a civilian. Pick a girl you like, one you want to be waking up in the mornings with. And get an intense makeout session going.
Then when it is time for your own pants to come down, you invite her to the back room.
And then as she has gone this far with you, continue to see her, even try to take her home with you that night. From that juncture you will be seeing her by appointment, so she is serving as your escort. In countries other than the US, they would say that she is your mistress.
The strip club rules because f2f first meetings and unstructured front room fraternizing. And it is also the extreme power trip and turn on of See, Want, Get. You select the girl and get to have her exactly as she is dressed and painted up.
There is no way that Escorts of AAMPs can offer this. In AMPs and Lingerie Modelling, since those are not hang out places, they cannot really allow the free form unstructured fraternizing which is often possible in a strip club.
Founder, we have ITC and OTC, how about IFR ( In the Front Room )?
I like the SC experience for meeting gals upfront, but it's only a good "value" when you consider that most escort experiences in the US with GFE-worthy gals are fairly expensive (and in places like Nevada which have legal whorehouses, ridiculously overpriced). My experience in Montreal spoiled me (escorts there provide FS GFE for decent prices compared to your typical East Coast 30 min VIP room in a strip club, and the gal I selected was ridiculously cute even without a stripper outfit). It may well have ruined my appetite for strip clubs as well. Case in point - my wife was away this weekend and unusually, I chose to go to a concert at a "normal" club and enjoy live music instead of my usual SC adventures in the mid-Atlantic region, saving more than a bit of money and having no regrets. I would rather fly off to Canada (Toronto or Montreal) for cheap, get a hotel room with my frequent traveler points, and partake of two nights of escorts. We'll see when I fly out to the W Coast this week if I can maintain my self-control.
^^^ And what exactly do you think is so different about it being between 2 women? If anything it becomes MORE meaningful between 2 women for many, many reasons.
This should be interesting, considering that you are not a woman (as far as I know) and have never experienced nor witnessed either scenario as a woman.
I am with Lopaw, I like both and find them to be much different experiences. For those worried about someone showing up who is not the girl in the photos when selecting an escort, just do your research. I would never spontaneously just call an ad or go with someone or some service that I did not know what I was getting.
The stripper thing is much more about the whole experience, smoky club, maybe some drinks, and the unknown of what may actually happen.
Lopaw and RTP have it right in my opinion. I like them both. My mood dictates which direction I go because the journey is different between strippers and escorts. I don't think one is inherently better than the other.
I’m a bit old-fashioned I guess? I like to “squeeze the Charmin” before I make a decision to take a dancer otc. The club offers an enjoyable environment for a test drive - so I know what I’m getting.
I find dancers to be hotter than escorts. I also enjoy the ss or flirting that happens in a club.
For many dancers who do otc - the date is less mechanical. The dancer otc experience can be more quirky - as dancers are less business-like and that’s more fun for me.
One other thing I like - I like the pursuit. There’s no pursuit when calling an escort - as everybody gets to fuck her. Getting a hot stripper can be more challenging. Some hot strippers might not agree to otc - so there can be an element of question - and that makes it feel like a victory when you get a dancer otc.
Steverox
We were in budapest at the same time.
I was considering an escort but due to circumstances i brought a traveling companion, a stripper from eastern europe.
I've know 5 Follies dancers that quit to become escorts. I enjoyed VIP with all of them before they quit and If they continued to treat their escort customers that way, I'm sure their customers were happy with the service. Unfortunately I never tried ant of them after they quit. So I don't know how good they were. I know at least 1 of them is still escorting but not sure about the others. I have seen them back at Follies a few times.
w/ dancers one is able to interact w/ them more and either pull the trigger or pass, and repeat the process w/ others - w/ escorts it seems it's usually down to business and perhaps harder/more-uncomfortable to back-out once you've agreed to meet.
and as been posted on past-threads on the subject, most on here are gonna lean towards strippers else they would likely not be on this board - seems the hardcore escort guys are not into the hit or miss sex-aspect w.r.t. dancers/strip-clubs
BTW - I read your review of Cheetah Pompano - AFAIK no extras there (the Cheetah clubs are kinda not into that) - if you want extras read the reviews for Diamond Dolls in Pompano
@sjg - if by "privileged" you mean my reflecting on real life experiences as a woman living the actual events instead of someone proselytizing about them with absolutely no knowledge or experience themselves.... then I am by all means "privileged".
@papi "seems the hardcore escort guys are not into the hit or miss sex-aspect w.r.t. dancers/strip-clubs"
I used to be a hardcore escort guy. When I started with escorts (30 years ago), Atlanta SCs didn't have ITC extras available (they didn't even have private VIP rooms, much less dancers that would do extras). OTC extras were probably available, but as Papi said, it was just too much work to arrange.
Back then, Atlanta did have a couple of good old fashioned brothels that allowed some "shop before you buy" options. There was also a couple of non-Asian FBSM places that would let you meet the girls in person before choosing one. Nothing like that really available these days.
I've had no luck whatsoever lately with stripper OTC. Saw one a couple times, but was way too expensive for how complicated the entire arrangement was. Another developed rapid-onset GPS before we ever got started. The OTC offers I've had from Follies girls are just escort offers (set money for set amount of time for sex) and they rarely have a decent incall location. So, by the time you add together her cost and hotel room cost the total is more than a comparable escort. I will acknowledge that I've never had an escort send me sexy pics to encourage me to see her, but the stripper-escorts do it all the time. Stripper-escorts are more likely to be available "outside business hours", too.
I have been getting my best results with dating women from SA. I don't mind going on meet-and-greet dates (they are cheaper than ITC grooming of a potential OTC stripper), so I get to shop before I buy (I won't see any of the GPS women that want money for non-sexual dates). When I do start seeing someone (like I am now), I'm getting an entire date (which often includes going to a SC), don't always have to pay for a hotel room (when roommate is away), and the money I spend is same, or even less, than an escort or OTC stripper. Of course, I'm not hung up on only dating 8+, which significantly drives up the prices.
There are cities/regions I would never use an escort--simply nothing there interesting or hot enough worth it TO ME.
There are cities I would not bother to go into a club because of either past experiences, overall cost and hustle factor, and there are escorts that go above and beyond in terms of level of service, looks and are what I would call true gfe.
Then there are areas that are a toss up.
Overall I still get my best results as well from SA.
Papi-->"seems the hardcore escort guys are not into the hit or miss sex-aspect w.r.t. dancers/strip-clubs"
Yes, for sure. Aside from the certainty, I think other ways there are big differences:
- Escort guys tend to love the private, completely-solo aspect of the entire encounter. Strip club guys I think are more likely to enjoy the social part of the encounter. * *love* sitting in a room full of hot half-naked chicks for an hour or two before pulling the trigger.
- Escort guys often only value "dick in hole time", which is why 100% of the time they phrase their question, "why pay $300 for 15 minutes when you can pay $300 for an hour?". Strip club guys value the whole time they're at the strip club, and I doubt many of us go to the strip club for just 15 minutes. Watching dancers on stage and flirting at the table "count" as enjoyment time for us. The guys who don't value this, or find it a nuisance, always end up transitioning to escort guys, IME on my local forums.
- Escort guys are highly tolerant of the hit-or-miss aspect of escort sex, which is, in the end he's not sure what's on the other side of that door, but no matter what, he's going to fuck it (and despite claims above, in general doing your research only increases your odds, perhaps it avoids the "her pics are a 9 but she's a 5", but not the "her pics are a 9 but she's a 7"). Strip club guys highly value the fact that they know exactly how hot the stripper sitting next to them is, and if she has a good flirty hustle, she can rev his motor as if she were hotter anyway. For myself, I fucking HATE that door-opening moment. Meanwhile, it's VERY common on escort forums, "She opened the door and those pics of hers are at least 20 years old, she's older, gained 20 pounds, doesn't look so good. I was horny so I fucked her anyway." ***I was horny so I fucked her anyway***
^ I highly doubt that most escort guys are paying whatever they pay for an hour of just dick in the hole time as the vast majority of guys won't last anywhere near an hour of getting sucked or even covered sex. A good escort will also provide a lot of other sexy naked time that's similar or better than non-extra VIP services. To them, even just that part is leagues better than just some sexy flirtation and ogling for a few hours. And not every one has the time or even if they did, wants to spend hours on a single girl for sexual services. Just saying...
Part of the contradiction we are seeing is caused by thinking all escorts are alike.
Independents that have their own website and stay off of places like Backpage are a different choice than say girls working in an agency or a massage parlour.
There are also different price points along the way as well.
The last time I went to NYC I can say with 110 % certainty I had a better time with an escort I spent a few hours with than I did in the club I visited, but again she was an Independent, not with an agency. British with the full accent, stayed way over the time she was booked for, knew what she was doing in bed and overall cost me less than what I spent to take a buddy of mine to lunch and a full SS hustle at one of the downtown Manhattan clubs.
LOL at Subraman's comment. It hasn't happened to me in a long time but the last time it did I booked with an agency not the girl directly and while I was a gentleman. Invited her in my room. Paid her the cab fare for the trip over I called the agency booker and in the most flat calm voice possible asked her if there was a mistake. "It appears the girl I booked couldn't make it and you sent her mom instead. "I'm giving her cab fare home but this is on you and not her. She should never have been put in the position you placed her in..............
In Manhattan - the strip clubs are generally gentlemen’s clubs - looking to drain investment banker money.
I’ve had only limited experience with Manhattan escorts. Those experiences were positive. Got lucky with a 21 year old hottie - who proved to be a pleasant surprise. But I try to stay out of Manhattan due to the increased expenses for everything.
Thread is now TL, DR all of it, sorry. I've reported the following previously:
Why I prefer strippers --
The hunt, the chase, the prompt bang immediately after the successful catch.
For me, I like observing several women at once, and selecting the one whom I perceive to be "the best" from among all the options (or not selecting at all). Then, I like to get at it right away. The act of selection needs to be quite close in time to the act of fun. Escorts from the web prevent those factors. Of course there are disadvantages to the stripper scene (relative to the escort scene) but these particular advantages tend to lure me to strippers despite the disadvantages.
I do sometimes prefer escorts. But it depends on the logistical arrangements, which generally must fulfill those advantages (of strippers, above) as mentioned. For example, I like it when there are multiple female options available on a relatively quick notice -- for example, at an FKK in Germany; or, among the window-girls in any typical red-light-district in the Netherlands, or in any typical walk-up-building in Frankfurt or Hamburg. When those types of places are available, I consider strip-clubs relatively pointless. (In fact, generally strip clubs aren't very enjoyable in those countries, I think for closely related reasons.)
The proximity in time; the selection process; the "need" (my biological imperative) to make women COMPETE over me and for me to "feel" that I have "selected" a better rather than a worse choice by local comparison.
@subraman " "She opened the door and those pics of hers are at least 20 years old, she's older, gained 20 pounds, doesn't look so good. I was horny so I fucked her anyway." ***I was horny so I fucked her anyway***"
I never understood those guys. I was scared as hell the first time I did it, but once I learned that I could safely turn around and walk away from an escort's in call location without going through with an appointment or paying any money, it liberated me for ever. It didn't take long to learn which agencies or independents could be trusted.
I agree with what Sub says about the time thing and the flirting thing. This is why I no longer frequent escorts (although I do have a FBSM place I still go to occasionally and see this one girl who just oozes SEXY as well as doing a decent massage).
The prettiest and nicest girls to flirt with are at one club where VIP is uncomfortable, less than ideal privacy, and worse than casino odds on getting any satisfaction back there.
The club with the guaranteed extras is a VIP assembly line. Your only hope to combine flirting and sex is to find a non-extras girl who is happy to flirt and hang out as long as you're buying dances (at $10 a song, VHM typically, and normal length songs, it's not a bad prospect), and then hope a known extras girl happens to be available when you're finally revved up enough.
One club has been reported as a middle ground, but the 30min VIP will cost you $300 minimum, and I just don't crave stripper hotness enough when I can apply that in other ways.
It was just now, as i was reading joc13's comment that i realized something that always puzzled me. For those hobbyists who read this, perhaps you already know but i've just realized why an escort will answer the knock on her door by opening the door while hiding behind it, so that she cannot be seen by the client... it's to prevent the client from assessing her true appearance while he is still in the hallway, and still able to turn and walk the other way.
There was one girl I used to see that I really liked cause she told her clients to just walk on in as if you lived there. No awkward moment waiting outside, knocking, and then waiting for the door to be opened.
The super sexy FBSM girl I like does the behind the door thing, but I always thought it was because she is so scantily clad when she answers it.
The trick to combat the hiding behind the door trick is to have the stones to still leave even after she comes out from behind the door.
And if you don't have the stones to walk away, here's a trick to use. Incall escorts will usually take credit cards, so carry a prepaid Visa with no balance. Offer it as payment and when she runs it and it gets rejected, you can say "oh so sorry, I must have grabbed the wrong card, and I don't have any cash on me" and then leave.
Hanging out w/ a stripper at the club then fucking her after a while feels a bit closer to going on a date w/ a chick then fucking her at the end of the date - hanging for a while w/ a nearly-naked and provocatively dressed stripper; plus there being dozens of other women like her stimulating one's senses, gets you revved-up/horny and then it's JITP (just in time pussy)
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BEAUTY: We start with the fact that when that escort opens the door for the first time, she won't be as hot as her pics, and the excitement is in how MUCH less hot she'll be ... which is a type of excitement I don't exactly love. More generally, hot strippers are far hotter than hot mid-priced escorts; I'd claim you could go to a decent strip club on a Saturday night, and probably see 15 strippers who are as hot as the hottest escort you've been with.
LUST and the HOTNESS of the overall experience: With an escort, you have an hour to get in, get to know each other a few minutes, shower, 50 minutes of sex, shower, go home. With a stripper, with many of us PLs, we're getting horny looking at the stage shower, getting even hornier doing a lap dance or two with her, flirting out on the floor ... suffice it to say, it's not uncommon that by the time I'm walking into the booth with that stripper, I'm a dysfunctional mess of lust, and THAT leads to far more amazing sex, even for 15 minutes, even in a little booth. As opposed to how I feel with an escort -- still a little stressed from trying to find a decent parking spot in the fucking city that's near her place, still a little disappointed that her pic is a 9 but she's a 7 (but meanwhile, I get to fuck legit 9s at the strip club), trying to decide how much I like her based on our 2 minutes of inorganic smalltalk before I went to shower. That's not even taking into account the fact that strippers often do things like send naked pics and snaps to get me revved up beforehand.
TIME is TIME is TIME: This statement of yours might be the ultimate difference between our outlooks: "why go into a tiny closet for 15 minutes when you can dial up a escort for the same money or less and spend 60 minutes". Many of us here love going to strip clubs. I personally love being out and about among people, in a strip club, watching girls gyrate on poles, watching gorgeous girls wander around in g-strings, getting dances, flirting and drinking. I'm often in the club of 3 hours -- and every second is a second I enjoy. I get it that for you, the only time you value is the time your dick is in a hole. Nothing wrong with that! And of course, with that type of value, you won't value the rest of the time at a strip club. For me, I value all my time at the strip club, and I "count" all that time as our time together; and even if my dick is only in a hole for 15 minutes, I want it to be 15 mind-blowing minutes with a chick who has driven me crazy.
THE BOTTOM LINE: Even if the two of us spend the same amount, here's the tally based on my personal values: 1. You were with a 7, I was with a 9, 2. We spent the same amount but you had fun for 50 minutes (minus shower time), I had fun for 3 hours, 3. You walked in in whatever frame of mind you were in, I got a lot of time of flirting and lust, 4. You got 50 minutes of ok sex, I got 15 minutes of fantastic if not mind-blowing sex.
Anyway, I realize nearly everything I said above is subjective and you could argue with all of it, and you might be right for you, and I'm right for me. Just giving you the view of someone who loves strip clubs. For myself, the bottom line is this: I am not a "I just want my dick in a hole for as long as possible, nothing else matters" guy, and I personally do not enjoy or value the escort experiences I"ve had, and don't bother partaking. For me, it's strippers, seeking arrangements, or sensual massage.
I travel to Chicago, I line up an escort in advance. I have never been disappointed. I will be seeing a retired adult performer soon for my second time. She is incredible and I am in my own hotel room. IMO , sex is usually better for me with escorts.
You will find many opinions examples etc on this site as why OTC sex with a stripper is the "caviar of the sex industry".
From seen them in person (no bait and switch) and establishing a relationship ITC, the trill of the hunt, convincing them to do OTC, Spending more time for less money, dinner some times, going out, overnights sometimes, closer to a GFE encounter.
I agree with that because i have experinced some of that.
However, I wrote an article about my ATF Woman:
https://www.tuscl.net/?page=post&id=5080…
Wher I explained why my encounter with an high end Russian escort in Beverly Hills was the bes sexual human experience in my life. Part of it was that she was beatiful a 10 in my opinion, nice and sexy to me and seemed to enjoy sex (orgasmed and squirted). I mentioned a quote from TUSCL:
"The cure for ED (Erectile Disfunctio) is a beutyfull 25 year old girl..."
And remember you can't win the game if you don't even play it.
Just be prepared and aware of the rules of the game, learn from your mistakes and losses, and like Keny Rogers said:
"If you are going to play the game, boy
You have got to learn to play it right.
You have to know when to hold them,
Know when to fold them,
Know when to walk away
And know when to run..."
Good luck on your search for the answers.
I hope you have good experiences and share them, to help others learn from them.
if they don't look weathred, then they look too plastic (the picture is photoshopped)
there's a lot more excitement in the club as to whether or not the hot dancer you like even does VIP, and what she does while she's in there.
About 10 years ago I started visiting strip clubs and learned that sex with strippers was an option. In the 10 years I've spent far more money on far more frequent sex by far hotter women. I've concentrated on my ATF but have also had encounters with at least 10 others. Most of my sex with strippers has been OTC.
I'll take strippers over escorts any time.
Escorts and AAMPs do offer a higher percentage of great FS. Like Red Book GFE was DKF + DATY + BBBJ + MSOG. Typically people booked 1 hour and put it all to good use. Guys who did lots of this were good at it, gentle with the girls. But the girls still got a good workout, just from their own muscle contractions and from doing session after session after session. They were napping any chance they got.
But it is still better when the two parties can meet for the first time f2f. If you select the girl and visibly extend yourself in approaching her. Even in a hard core P4P venue, that still carries a great deal of weight.
And of course you don't want to be buying dances, you want to be engaging with your girl in the front room, respecting her expectation of money, and treating her like a total civilian. The front room is where you can lead the interaction and treat your girl like a civilian. Pick a girl you like, one you want to be waking up in the mornings with. And get an intense makeout session going.
Then when it is time for your own pants to come down, you invite her to the back room.
And then as she has gone this far with you, continue to see her, even try to take her home with you that night. From that juncture you will be seeing her by appointment, so she is serving as your escort. In countries other than the US, they would say that she is your mistress.
The strip club rules because f2f first meetings and unstructured front room fraternizing. And it is also the extreme power trip and turn on of See, Want, Get. You select the girl and get to have her exactly as she is dressed and painted up.
There is no way that Escorts of AAMPs can offer this. In AMPs and Lingerie Modelling, since those are not hang out places, they cannot really allow the free form unstructured fraternizing which is often possible in a strip club.
Founder, we have ITC and OTC, how about IFR ( In the Front Room )?
SJG
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My .02
SJG
This should be interesting, considering that you are not a woman (as far as I know) and have never experienced nor witnessed either scenario as a woman.
https://www.tuscl.net/?page=post&id=5312…
The stripper thing is much more about the whole experience, smoky club, maybe some drinks, and the unknown of what may actually happen.
I find dancers to be hotter than escorts. I also enjoy the ss or flirting that happens in a club.
For many dancers who do otc - the date is less mechanical. The dancer otc experience can be more quirky - as dancers are less business-like and that’s more fun for me.
One other thing I like - I like the pursuit. There’s no pursuit when calling an escort - as everybody gets to fuck her. Getting a hot stripper can be more challenging. Some hot strippers might not agree to otc - so there can be an element of question - and that makes it feel like a victory when you get a dancer otc.
We were in budapest at the same time.
I was considering an escort but due to circumstances i brought a traveling companion, a stripper from eastern europe.
As I see it, relations between men and women are more about power, than are relations between women and women.
SJG
I used to be a hardcore escort guy. When I started with escorts (30 years ago), Atlanta SCs didn't have ITC extras available (they didn't even have private VIP rooms, much less dancers that would do extras). OTC extras were probably available, but as Papi said, it was just too much work to arrange.
Back then, Atlanta did have a couple of good old fashioned brothels that allowed some "shop before you buy" options. There was also a couple of non-Asian FBSM places that would let you meet the girls in person before choosing one. Nothing like that really available these days.
I've had no luck whatsoever lately with stripper OTC. Saw one a couple times, but was way too expensive for how complicated the entire arrangement was. Another developed rapid-onset GPS before we ever got started. The OTC offers I've had from Follies girls are just escort offers (set money for set amount of time for sex) and they rarely have a decent incall location. So, by the time you add together her cost and hotel room cost the total is more than a comparable escort. I will acknowledge that I've never had an escort send me sexy pics to encourage me to see her, but the stripper-escorts do it all the time. Stripper-escorts are more likely to be available "outside business hours", too.
I have been getting my best results with dating women from SA. I don't mind going on meet-and-greet dates (they are cheaper than ITC grooming of a potential OTC stripper), so I get to shop before I buy (I won't see any of the GPS women that want money for non-sexual dates). When I do start seeing someone (like I am now), I'm getting an entire date (which often includes going to a SC), don't always have to pay for a hotel room (when roommate is away), and the money I spend is same, or even less, than an escort or OTC stripper. Of course, I'm not hung up on only dating 8+, which significantly drives up the prices.
There are cities I would not bother to go into a club because of either past experiences, overall cost and hustle factor, and there are escorts that go above and beyond in terms of level of service, looks and are what I would call true gfe.
Then there are areas that are a toss up.
Overall I still get my best results as well from SA.
Yes, for sure. Aside from the certainty, I think other ways there are big differences:
- Escort guys tend to love the private, completely-solo aspect of the entire encounter. Strip club guys I think are more likely to enjoy the social part of the encounter. * *love* sitting in a room full of hot half-naked chicks for an hour or two before pulling the trigger.
- Escort guys often only value "dick in hole time", which is why 100% of the time they phrase their question, "why pay $300 for 15 minutes when you can pay $300 for an hour?". Strip club guys value the whole time they're at the strip club, and I doubt many of us go to the strip club for just 15 minutes. Watching dancers on stage and flirting at the table "count" as enjoyment time for us. The guys who don't value this, or find it a nuisance, always end up transitioning to escort guys, IME on my local forums.
- Escort guys are highly tolerant of the hit-or-miss aspect of escort sex, which is, in the end he's not sure what's on the other side of that door, but no matter what, he's going to fuck it (and despite claims above, in general doing your research only increases your odds, perhaps it avoids the "her pics are a 9 but she's a 5", but not the "her pics are a 9 but she's a 7"). Strip club guys highly value the fact that they know exactly how hot the stripper sitting next to them is, and if she has a good flirty hustle, she can rev his motor as if she were hotter anyway. For myself, I fucking HATE that door-opening moment. Meanwhile, it's VERY common on escort forums, "She opened the door and those pics of hers are at least 20 years old, she's older, gained 20 pounds, doesn't look so good. I was horny so I fucked her anyway." ***I was horny so I fucked her anyway***
Independents that have their own website and stay off of places like Backpage are a different choice than say girls working in an agency or a massage parlour.
There are also different price points along the way as well.
The last time I went to NYC I can say with 110 % certainty I had a better time with an escort I spent a few hours with than I did in the club I visited, but again she was an Independent, not with an agency. British with the full accent, stayed way over the time she was booked for, knew what she was doing in bed and overall cost me less than what I spent to take a buddy of mine to lunch and a full SS hustle at one of the downtown Manhattan clubs.
I’ve had only limited experience with Manhattan escorts. Those experiences were positive. Got lucky with a 21 year old hottie - who proved to be a pleasant surprise. But I try to stay out of Manhattan due to the increased expenses for everything.
Why I prefer strippers --
The hunt, the chase, the prompt bang immediately after the successful catch.
For me, I like observing several women at once, and selecting the one whom I perceive to be "the best" from among all the options (or not selecting at all). Then, I like to get at it right away. The act of selection needs to be quite close in time to the act of fun. Escorts from the web prevent those factors. Of course there are disadvantages to the stripper scene (relative to the escort scene) but these particular advantages tend to lure me to strippers despite the disadvantages.
I do sometimes prefer escorts. But it depends on the logistical arrangements, which generally must fulfill those advantages (of strippers, above) as mentioned. For example, I like it when there are multiple female options available on a relatively quick notice -- for example, at an FKK in Germany; or, among the window-girls in any typical red-light-district in the Netherlands, or in any typical walk-up-building in Frankfurt or Hamburg. When those types of places are available, I consider strip-clubs relatively pointless. (In fact, generally strip clubs aren't very enjoyable in those countries, I think for closely related reasons.)
The proximity in time; the selection process; the "need" (my biological imperative) to make women COMPETE over me and for me to "feel" that I have "selected" a better rather than a worse choice by local comparison.
SJG
I never understood those guys. I was scared as hell the first time I did it, but once I learned that I could safely turn around and walk away from an escort's in call location without going through with an appointment or paying any money, it liberated me for ever. It didn't take long to learn which agencies or independents could be trusted.
I agree with what Sub says about the time thing and the flirting thing. This is why I no longer frequent escorts (although I do have a FBSM place I still go to occasionally and see this one girl who just oozes SEXY as well as doing a decent massage).
The prettiest and nicest girls to flirt with are at one club where VIP is uncomfortable, less than ideal privacy, and worse than casino odds on getting any satisfaction back there.
The club with the guaranteed extras is a VIP assembly line. Your only hope to combine flirting and sex is to find a non-extras girl who is happy to flirt and hang out as long as you're buying dances (at $10 a song, VHM typically, and normal length songs, it's not a bad prospect), and then hope a known extras girl happens to be available when you're finally revved up enough.
One club has been reported as a middle ground, but the 30min VIP will cost you $300 minimum, and I just don't crave stripper hotness enough when I can apply that in other ways.
The super sexy FBSM girl I like does the behind the door thing, but I always thought it was because she is so scantily clad when she answers it.
The trick to combat the hiding behind the door trick is to have the stones to still leave even after she comes out from behind the door.
And if you don't have the stones to walk away, here's a trick to use. Incall escorts will usually take credit cards, so carry a prepaid Visa with no balance. Offer it as payment and when she runs it and it gets rejected, you can say "oh so sorry, I must have grabbed the wrong card, and I don't have any cash on me" and then leave.
"The hunt, the chase, the prompt bang immediately after the successful catch.""
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