Is there a difference between the terms PL, Monger, and Customer? I've been using them interchangeably, but now I'm thinking there may be more nuance to these terms. Is it like, a customer is anyone who has ever visited a SC at all; a monger is someone who regularly goes to a SC; and a PL is someone who is so obsessed with one or two strippers, to the point that he would donate a few organs if she/they asked him to? Not to get too philosophical, but do you need to be a total sucker in order to be considered a PL? Or are you automatically a sucker by definition whenever you go into a club? And if so, is anyone who visits a club not a PL?
The terms have evolved over time. The glossary still has it the same way as when I first read it about 15 years ago under ATF/PL:
ATF: All Time Favorite - a patron's favorite dancer. If you have one of these, please see PL lower in the gloss.
PL: Pathetic Loser - get a grip, she's not in love with you, she just wants your money. All of it.
Nowadays, RIL is used for that, while PL has essentially come to mean enthusiast unless it's in a phrase like "such a PL"
Customer is anyone who goes into the club, whether it's a bachelor party and he's just going to hang with his friends or a hardcore RIL.
Monger implies a level of proficiency in the art / lack of naivete.
PL - victim of the wiles of strip club dancers. Subject to intense episodes of spending money on lap dances.
Monger - regular strip club customer. Established, long time visitor to strip clubs. May be a regular at one club, or visit several different clubs. Accustomed to getting attention from strippers and has some experience in determining reasonable costs for dances, with or without extra services.
Customer - Any person who walks into a strip club and buys a drink, dance or food item.
All are sometimes interchangeable. And since I just made all that up, I can claim that it is the absolute and final authority on the subject!
In my opinion, a monger goes beyond strip clubs... tried some combination of asian massage parlors, escorts, a trip outside the USA primarily for prostitutes. I've tried a little of all that, plus a few years in hostess clubs. A monger accepts pay for play in various forms and would adapt to local conditions.
To me, a PL is any of you guys on here, and anyone who think ab it enough that they should be on here, regardless of their age, experince, current RIL status, or what they spend.
A customer is anyone who goes into the club at all.
The terms are interchangeable in certain cases. As Bj mentioned - there are lots of PL's - from a dancers view. We might range from PL's to Mongers - and some are RIL's at times -
I've mostly spent time on industry-wide forums, and there the terms have always been along the lines of:
**** Monger: is short for Whoremonger. This term is applied exclusively to regular experienced clients of traditional FS services: that is, streetwalkers, escorts, and AMPs. No one knows what you're talking about if you use the term elsewhere.
**** Terms used in non-strip-club parts of the industry: Sugar clients are sugardaddies; bodyrub clients are clients; domination clients are clients, subs, or whatever esoteric term of art they choose for themselves.
**** In strip clubs: a customer is any ol' customer. A PL is, just as BJ says, us -- knowledgeable customers, the kind of people who would go on a forum to discuss strip clubs :) Waaaay back in the dark ages of the interweb, it was used as an insult; now it more delineates casual customers from guys who "hobby" (I hate that term), basically the SC equivalent of a monger.
Well, a RIL is easy, there's no question about what that term means. And it sounds like a PL is a monger, only with strippers instead of hookers. Makes sense if you think about it. Mongers usually get exactly what they pay for, and they pay less money than PLs. PLs sometimes do not get what they pay for, leave feeling frustrated, come back anyway, spend more money, etc. Hence they are pathetic losers. Works for me. Plus I really like the term PL. I'm going to keep using it. Thanks guys. I appreciate it.
PL comes from the usenet days when one dancer didnt realize she was sending to the group. She thought it was a private reply to another dancer. We adopted the title as a badge if honor much like deplorable has been in the past year
If I remember right, in that same email she described us as "sensitive new-age guys", and we grabbed onto the term SNAG and snaggie, too :) good times man
Maybe not ... here's the a.s.s-c glossary entry for PL:
PL™, Pathetic Loser (Siren, 2/96) - (a) The term Siren used in a private email to another stripper to describe ASSCers™, accidentally posted the email to A.S.S-C, and was flamed relentlessly by ASSCers™ whose fragile egos were bruised; (b) Saxbeat adds, "someone who comes to A.S.S-C for advice on his (or her) love life."
I don't think I ever met Siren ... or if I did, she was forgettable
Ha, are you guys serious? So it was like a hot-mic situation? Many strippers probably think of us that way, even if they aren't aware of the official term. I've never actually heard of usenet though
I did not know siren but i knew a few PLs and ladies that posted. Over the years a few ladies i knew well were discussed there.
It was on assc that i learned just how many PLs fell in love and thought this one is different and she really does see me a different from her other customers
Ya, amazing, right? Alt.sex.strip-clubs usenet group was the ancestor of us all, a number of terms we stlil use today came from there, and it was a pretty magic time... strippers accidentally sending blast-o-grams to the group, the girls didn't know what to make of usenet so embraced us for a while, there was even an assc irc group that often had strippers in it.
Back then, from what I can tell, the term girlfriend experience was only used in strip club groups, and meant a private show where the girl was so affectionate it felt like she actually liked you. I could have missed it, but it wasn't until years later I saw the full service guys co-opt the term and make it mean specific acts
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ATF: All Time Favorite - a patron's favorite dancer. If you have one of these, please see PL lower in the gloss.
PL: Pathetic Loser - get a grip, she's not in love with you, she just wants your money. All of it.
Nowadays, RIL is used for that, while PL has essentially come to mean enthusiast unless it's in a phrase like "such a PL"
Customer is anyone who goes into the club, whether it's a bachelor party and he's just going to hang with his friends or a hardcore RIL.
Monger implies a level of proficiency in the art / lack of naivete.
Monger - regular strip club customer. Established, long time visitor to strip clubs. May be a regular at one club, or visit several different clubs. Accustomed to getting attention from strippers and has some experience in determining reasonable costs for dances, with or without extra services.
Customer - Any person who walks into a strip club and buys a drink, dance or food item.
All are sometimes interchangeable. And since I just made all that up, I can claim that it is the absolute and final authority on the subject!
A customer is anyone who goes into the club at all.
A PL is a pretty big tent, including anyone who goes to a strip club with any sort or regularity or as part of a routine.
Monger, to me, is a guy who navigates through a variety of sex services: strip clubs, escorts, AMPs, sugar daddy arrangements, etc.
**** Monger: is short for Whoremonger. This term is applied exclusively to regular experienced clients of traditional FS services: that is, streetwalkers, escorts, and AMPs. No one knows what you're talking about if you use the term elsewhere.
**** Terms used in non-strip-club parts of the industry: Sugar clients are sugardaddies; bodyrub clients are clients; domination clients are clients, subs, or whatever esoteric term of art they choose for themselves.
**** In strip clubs: a customer is any ol' customer. A PL is, just as BJ says, us -- knowledgeable customers, the kind of people who would go on a forum to discuss strip clubs :) Waaaay back in the dark ages of the interweb, it was used as an insult; now it more delineates casual customers from guys who "hobby" (I hate that term), basically the SC equivalent of a monger.
PL™, Pathetic Loser (Siren, 2/96) - (a) The term Siren used in a private email to another stripper to describe ASSCers™, accidentally posted the email to A.S.S-C, and was flamed relentlessly by ASSCers™ whose fragile egos were bruised; (b) Saxbeat adds, "someone who comes to A.S.S-C for advice on his (or her) love life."
I don't think I ever met Siren ... or if I did, she was forgettable
It was on assc that i learned just how many PLs fell in love and thought this one is different and she really does see me a different from her other customers
Back then, from what I can tell, the term girlfriend experience was only used in strip club groups, and meant a private show where the girl was so affectionate it felt like she actually liked you. I could have missed it, but it wasn't until years later I saw the full service guys co-opt the term and make it mean specific acts
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