Tijuana

Tijuana and you're worried about Deja Vu??? I'm headed to TJ in about a month and the first places on my mind will be Hong Kong and Adelita's.

it's still there by pueblo amigo but it's overpriced. Zona Norte's Hong Kong and the other clubs is much better.

I couldn't find an entry on this site and was going to check it out in my recharge breaks.

Slow down there @TFP. HK late on a Saturday night is pretty busy, smoky and hard to hunt in. DV was described as a lower key HK that is closer to the new border crossing. Those features would make me want to check it out.

If it helps, I spend a lot of time on the Tijuana mongering site, and barely a soul ever mentions Deja Vu. Some of the guys have been to that location, but it is not even on the map for those who live, work, and monger there.

Why? The lack of attractive women......Adelitas and Hong Kong have most all of them.

Closer to the new Ped East station, but unless you're walking, it's 5 minutes to HK and Adelitas via Uber and yellow taxi, so is it really worth the savings of 2 minutes by car?

I've been to Tijuana many times since Deja Vu opened there, and for the above reasons (lack of women, mainly), I haven't bothered.

ditto.

I've been to a number of Deja Vu clubs across several states (Indiana, Michigan, Oregon) and never found a single Deja Vu that offered good entertainment value, at least a far as mileage and extras go. I've probably been spoiled by the high mileage clubs around metro Detroit but I tend to have very low expectations for any club that is managed by the Deja Vu corporate chain.

Are there any exceptions to that trend? Perhaps the Deja Vu in Tijuana or COI offer better value and mileage?

^^^^^^ What makes the difference, by taking it out of the vending machine box, is simply picking a girl you like and getting friendly with her, often having her sit on your lap, and letting a front room makeout session develop.

Sure, everything in a strip club costs money, mostly just the girl's time, but also the booths and back room.

And if you want to engage in physically intimate acts, you can't expect to make that happen just by offering to pay money for it, or to negotiate about it. You need to have some rapport with the girl, first. This probably won't be obtained for free, but it has to be obtained in an unstructured encounter. And the best place for this to happen, is the front room. Because then there is no standing agreement about time or money. It continues only as long as both parties want it to continue.

And this is the advantage of strip clubs, over the other venues like AMP's, Lingerie Modelling, and Nevada's Wild Wild West Brothels. Strip clubs are first and foremost hang out places. And so when you can fraternize openly with dancers, there is no reason for buying dances. Wrong choreography.

Girls are not wrong for trying to sell dances, they are there after all to make money. But you still should be able to find better ways of interacting with them.

If you can get friendly enough with a girl, and best being one of your choosing, then you can get a makeout session going. And then when it is time for your own pants to come down, you invite her to the back room.

Lap dancing originally meant lap sitting. And how friendly that got varied widely.

But when people started adding booths and backrooms and eliminating front room friendliness, that really did spoil it, because the girl would be performing a service upon you. She would not have opened up to you. And most of all, it made it easier for the house to take a larger cut.

So avoid places where they limit front room friendliness. When clubs do this they become the modern version of a clip joint. They are selling a fantasy which will not be realized, because the girl is not opening up to you. If she wants to open up to you, then she will not be talking about it and saving it for the back room. She will be doing it right there with you where you are sitting.

And dancers experienced in mileage places make it very clear that they make more money just by engaging with guys, and trying to get money out of them, right where they are sitting, then they ever could via 'wanna dance'.

So we need to resist club operators who run these new style clip joints, restricting what happens in the front room, and making it be all about 'wanna dance'.

And of course it is especially offensive in a place like San Francisco, where the legal authorities are quite tolerant, and it is clearly being done just to extract more money, and because the operators believe that they can force out competition, while at the same time taking no real risks themselves.

SJG

Electroman, as I'm sure you know, at least some of the DV clubs in Detroit, are unbranded. That is, they don't publicly use the DV name. This should make them better.

And then in San Francisco, all but one of their clubs is unbranded, Centerfolds.

I do not know which clubs this would apply to in Detroit. And I do not know in how many other metros they have these unbranded clubs.

They should be better than their branded clubs. But I for one feel that independent clubs will always be better.

DV claims that they are saving independent clubs which would be forced out of business, presumably by high rents.

SJG

^^^ SJG, how would you know unless you've actually been to a Deja Vu club in real life? The last one I attended was in Minneapolis after eating at Matt's Bar. Their Jucy Lucy's are probably the greasiest yet tastiest burger I've ever had, however I digress. After the burger I wa comatose and had a few beers at the club watching several magnificent looking women walk by and flirt, leading to them actually wanting to be with you. It was astonishing to see my dad go off with a Russian beauty 45 years his junior. A few hundred dollars lighter and he left a happy man. Last time I borrow him money!

I'm not sure which Detroit Deja Vu clubs SJG is talking about. I only know of two Deja Vu clubs that are near Detroit, but not in the city. There is the Deja Vu in Ypsilanti and there is Hustler Club in Lincoln Park. Neither one of these clubs provides the mileage or experience that is the norm in other Detroit area clubs. There is plenty of eye candy to stare at if you catch a night shift at the Ypsilanti Deja Vu, however. I can't say the same for Hustler Club, as I only visited that club once and I was not impressed with the talent level.

The Deja Vu website does list a club in Highland Park, but last I heard that club was shut down for good. There was a Deja Vu club in downtown Detroit at one time, but it got closed down. It was at the same address that Legends Gentlemen's Club is now at.

Gaffigan, outing your father now too.

Lots of experiences in DV clubs, in San Francisco. One finds ways to break out of the box they try to keep you in, even in a DV club. Girls who say, "I don't kiss", are known to demonstrably reverse themselves. Though it helps greatly if you are not treating her as a prostitute. But other girls, not wanting to be working with bouncers who expect to get greased, and actually wanting to do more, leave and go to MBOT.

The DV unbranded clubs are, well, secret. That's the whole idea of them. In San Francisco I know. DV has everthing except CH and MBOT. But the only branded one is Centerfolds. But DV is intent on getting control of CH and MBOT. In Detroit I only know because of the lawsuit over contractor status. But I don't know which clubs they are, or how many other metro's DV has these in.

Over all, unbranding it should make it better. But I still think they are not what they could be, not where you just let the girls do it the way they want. They don't take advantage of the open mindedness and tolerance which SF offers.

SJG

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