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I may have missed the discussion about that but I was there on the weekend and thought I would check it out, nothing to be found.
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I may have missed the discussion about that but I was there on the weekend and thought I would check it out, nothing to be found.
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Why? The lack of attractive women......Adelitas and Hong Kong have most all of them.
Closer to the new Ped East station, but unless you're walking, it's 5 minutes to HK and Adelitas via Uber and yellow taxi, so is it really worth the savings of 2 minutes by car?
I've been to Tijuana many times since Deja Vu opened there, and for the above reasons (lack of women, mainly), I haven't bothered.
Are there any exceptions to that trend? Perhaps the Deja Vu in Tijuana or COI offer better value and mileage?
Sure, everything in a strip club costs money, mostly just the girl's time, but also the booths and back room.
And if you want to engage in physically intimate acts, you can't expect to make that happen just by offering to pay money for it, or to negotiate about it. You need to have some rapport with the girl, first. This probably won't be obtained for free, but it has to be obtained in an unstructured encounter. And the best place for this to happen, is the front room. Because then there is no standing agreement about time or money. It continues only as long as both parties want it to continue.
And this is the advantage of strip clubs, over the other venues like AMP's, Lingerie Modelling, and Nevada's Wild Wild West Brothels. Strip clubs are first and foremost hang out places. And so when you can fraternize openly with dancers, there is no reason for buying dances. Wrong choreography.
Girls are not wrong for trying to sell dances, they are there after all to make money. But you still should be able to find better ways of interacting with them.
If you can get friendly enough with a girl, and best being one of your choosing, then you can get a makeout session going. And then when it is time for your own pants to come down, you invite her to the back room.
Lap dancing originally meant lap sitting. And how friendly that got varied widely.
But when people started adding booths and backrooms and eliminating front room friendliness, that really did spoil it, because the girl would be performing a service upon you. She would not have opened up to you. And most of all, it made it easier for the house to take a larger cut.
So avoid places where they limit front room friendliness. When clubs do this they become the modern version of a clip joint. They are selling a fantasy which will not be realized, because the girl is not opening up to you. If she wants to open up to you, then she will not be talking about it and saving it for the back room. She will be doing it right there with you where you are sitting.
And dancers experienced in mileage places make it very clear that they make more money just by engaging with guys, and trying to get money out of them, right where they are sitting, then they ever could via 'wanna dance'.
So we need to resist club operators who run these new style clip joints, restricting what happens in the front room, and making it be all about 'wanna dance'.
And of course it is especially offensive in a place like San Francisco, where the legal authorities are quite tolerant, and it is clearly being done just to extract more money, and because the operators believe that they can force out competition, while at the same time taking no real risks themselves.
SJG
And then in San Francisco, all but one of their clubs is unbranded, Centerfolds.
I do not know which clubs this would apply to in Detroit. And I do not know in how many other metros they have these unbranded clubs.
They should be better than their branded clubs. But I for one feel that independent clubs will always be better.
DV claims that they are saving independent clubs which would be forced out of business, presumably by high rents.
SJG
The Deja Vu website does list a club in Highland Park, but last I heard that club was shut down for good. There was a Deja Vu club in downtown Detroit at one time, but it got closed down. It was at the same address that Legends Gentlemen's Club is now at.
Lots of experiences in DV clubs, in San Francisco. One finds ways to break out of the box they try to keep you in, even in a DV club. Girls who say, "I don't kiss", are known to demonstrably reverse themselves. Though it helps greatly if you are not treating her as a prostitute. But other girls, not wanting to be working with bouncers who expect to get greased, and actually wanting to do more, leave and go to MBOT.
The DV unbranded clubs are, well, secret. That's the whole idea of them. In San Francisco I know. DV has everthing except CH and MBOT. But the only branded one is Centerfolds. But DV is intent on getting control of CH and MBOT. In Detroit I only know because of the lawsuit over contractor status. But I don't know which clubs they are, or how many other metro's DV has these in.
Over all, unbranding it should make it better. But I still think they are not what they could be, not where you just let the girls do it the way they want. They don't take advantage of the open mindedness and tolerance which SF offers.
SJG
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