Clubbing in the Sunbelt
BurlingtonHoFactory
New Jersey, near the Shore
My parents are thinking about retiring to the "sunbelt," some place warm, with low taxes, a high quality of life, and a low cost of living, in the southern or western US. I've been trying to help them choose a place, but one of the things I haven't really considered yet is the quality of the club experience in these locales. No, not for my parents, for me, silly. After all, even though I'll probably remain here in the northeast, I will still be visiting them frequently (and, you know, any excuse is a good excuse). And, who knows, maybe one day I'll move there, too. We've narrowed their options down to Tampa, Phoenix, and Las Vegas. When the time comes, they'll probably move to a nice, quiet suburb within about 30 or 40 minutes of the downtown area of whichever city they choose. Any thoughts from residents or visitors about the overall quality of SCs in each of these places? Also, I know this is a website about titty bars, but if anyone just has some general useful comments about what it's like to live in these places, please feel free to let me know. Thanks.
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I was in Florida once, right in about the center. It is too humid and it has too many insects, and the people are extremely conformist.
They say Phoenix has good strip clubs, but it is also a conservative place, they pass anti-union laws and they elect that Sherriff Joe Arpaio. These kinds of things do effect what it would be like to live there.
Two places which look interesting to me are Tucson and El Paso.
The first has the U Arizona and is close to Mexico, and in a different congressional district from Phoenix. The second looks culturally more like NM than Texas, and it is the second largest crossing point into Mexico after Tijuana. And for business, Texas has no sales tax or state income tax.
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A lot of seniors (snowbirds) just come in the winter time when the weather is ideal here then go back to their home town when the weather is ideal there in the summer.
Anyway, the thing about Joe Arpaio is a concern for me. I've thought about it. I'm told that Phoenix has quietly developed a reputation as being a hub for adult entertainment, but I can't see how that could be, given that you could theoretically be arrested and thrown into a chain-gang to march through the desert in 100 degree heat, just for asking for extras. And of course, the fact that it can be 100 degrees at night is also a concern.
As for Vegas, the thing is, you would think the girls there would be a little more "liberal" with their offerings, given that there is *legal* competition just a few hours north. Shows what the hell I know.
But I'm surprised that more people didn't endorse Tampa. A few of you did, but still. It has this reputation as a strip club capital. Maybe undeserved? I don't know
2) Joe Arpayo is no longer the sheriff - he lost reelection
3) Tampa strip-clubbing is over-rated living mostly on past 80s/90s glory and riding the coattails of the legendary Mons Venus - Tampa SCs also tend to be more expensive than Phoenix SCs
Arpaio is 85 years old so even if he is found guilty probably won't serve jail time.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/heres-w…
Btw Georgia ranks #4 and I have no complaints.
As for retirement communities having good/bad/no SCs, I'm of two minds on the subject. On the one hand, retirement communities tend to be fairly conservative places, owing to senior citizens themselves tending to be fairly conservative people. And conservative places often have both low taxes and various anti-sex ordinances. On the other hand, SCs depend on lonely people with free time and disposable income... which sounds like a good description of the average octogenarian widower to me.
I like south Florida I'm not retired as yet but if you like a more laid back lifestyle it's great and although it has become more expensive over the years it is still affordable for most.
Well, there are some contradictions in Phoenix. They do elect guys like Barry Goldwater and Jeff Flake, but they also elected Joe Arpaio. Politics is a fickle beast, as has been pointed out a few times in this thread. It wouldn't scare me away from living there, or recommending it to my parents, as long as there are still some high-mileage titty clubs in the area.
For your parents, on the west side there the huge Del Webb Sun City complex, as well as Surprise. On the east side in Mesa, a number of retirement communities like Leisure World, Sunland Springs and Fountain of the Sun cater to elderly. One caveat: many of these communties are literally fucking empty in the summertime, as these are the second homes of snowbirds from the mid-west and Canadians. There's also a pharmacy on virtually every single corner.
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In Phoenix, I hear lots about HL. But the ones I would go to first are Xecutive Show Case ( said to be black ), and Chicas.
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When you say 'Republicanism,' I assume you mean American-style conservatism. Republicanism just means being supportive of a republic; so I'd like to think we all support republicanism based on that definition. But I take your point. This wasn't originally meant to be about politics, but everyone has been nice enough to respond with lots of good suggestions, so I'll take the bait: why does libertarianism depend on social conformity? And what would make you think that libertarians, of all people, would ever want to use cops and prisons to enforce social conformity? I suppose whenever you start talking about where to move, discussing politics becomes almost inevitable because it affects so much. I don't mind discussing it.
Texas was definitely on our list originally, but we were put off by the relatively high property taxes. If my parents moved there they would want to stay close to a major city, probably Houston, and the property taxes on homes in the Houston suburbs are higher than they want to pay. It looks like you've spent some time in most of the places we're discussing; should I take your comment to mean that you like Texas best?
If someone says, "I am a Libertarian" or "I support Libertarianism", or "I support the Libertarian Party", then they are supporting the Republican Party.
Libertarianism is designed to enforce social conformity because it reduces all of life to property rights. And so of course, this kind of a society needs lots of cops and prisons to uphold these rights, and it also needs to enforce social conformity in order to keep people from finding ways of using truth to undermine their starting premises, that nothing matters except for property. And of course Libertarianism turns children into property.
And as a side note, that is interesting if Texas has higher property taxes, and factoring in its property values.
SJG
I don't know, that sounds like a stretch. You're describing this weird slippery-slope police state. For example, I know libertarians don't particularly like paying taxes, but you'd need lots of taxes to pay for all the cops and prisons (both of which are things that I think libertarians are also skeptical about, to say the least). Libertarians are also way against slavery, so I doubt they would be cool with treating children as personal property. Anyway, I think the dictionary definition of libertarian is the one that makes the most sense: someone who wants to maximize individual freedom and minimize the role of the government. But speaking more generally, all of this is almost beside the point because a society that doesn't respect property rights just doesn't sound like a place I would want to live in the first place.
Yeah, the state income tax in AZ is a drag, but I heard there was a push to begin phasing it out and eventually eliminate it. I admit I don't follow Arizona politics all that closely, and of course it is possible that the recent experience of Kansas phasing out its state income tax, which has been painted as a disaster by the media, may have dissuaded Arizona from taking action. Is this something you've heard about? With its state income tax, relatively high sales tax, and vehicle tax, but with fairly low property taxes, I'm not sure if I would characterize AZ as a low-tax state or a moderate-tax state. Certainly, when compared to NY, NJ, CA, MA, etc., it's an absolute tax haven. But I need to compare it to Florida, of course, against which it doesn't fair as well. On the other hand, certainly my parents' insurance costs would be much lower in AZ than FL. There's more to the equation than just taxes.
Libertarians don't want there to be any public protection of children, seeing them instead as chattels. Libertarians want a world of strict rules, albeit most of these rules are about property. Then only possible way of enforcing that is with cops and prisons, or at least with cops and guns. They want to eliminate those parts of government which protects individual liberties, and only keep those parts which protect their property rights.
The whole doctrine is bull shit.
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