PL going off the deep end.

Making outside relationships work with women is always hard. Its just the way our world is. But the basic strip club fantasy of a girl in extreme high heels and painted up like she's in this world to have orgasm after orgasm, is quite obtainable, beyond the walls of the strip club.

And then in the organization I am building, that will be the standard fare.

SJG

Youre right to a certain degree.

I think with most PLs they subconsciously think that one day she will not be a stripper anymore and he will be right there to wife her up when her career is over. So they are putting in the time and investment right now. To reap that "potential" award lol

It must be spring, because there are way too many guys on here recently falling in love with strippers who only love money and drama.

^^^or it's gonna be a long hot summer.

Rickberge, you sound like someone who divides women into two categories.

Its based on the old double standard. Men are looked up to for their sexual experience, where as with women, they are condemned for that.

I've never gone along with that.

SJG

I would have to agree with TiredTraveler. It's a fantasy world and very, very rarely does it go the way a PL wants it to (via OTC and happy ever after).

Ahh... summertime. When young, middle age and old farts hearts become enamored with 25 year old single moms in high heels and working their way through nursing school until 2am.

There are experienced mongers... and then there are the guppies. The guppies will get eaten alive by these women.

Yeah; it's often a mystery if an OP is trolling us or is he really that pathetic and green - kinda the same conundrum when a supposed female posts asking simple questions about stripping and many on here automatically think it's a troll - obviously no way to know fo-sho.

I *do* believe a good # of dudes do not have a clue about SC and SS since either:

a) all their dealing w/ women has been in the civilian world

b) they don't have a lot of life experience or overall experience w/ women; aka not street-smart; and thus are gullible and easy-targets for seasoned SC sharks

c) they are needy and thus susceptible/blind to female attention


When I first started SCing I did a time or 2 think that a seasoned-stripper showering me w/ attention was b/c she was potentially into me - I don't think it's that uncommon for many a newb particularly the not so street-smart ones.

And yeah; so many recent posts of "stripper love" is suspicious but then again it could be lurkers that finally took the plunge of posting a thread after seeing other PLs bearing their PL-soul.

I think some of the posts are from trolls, but I also think some are legit newbs that really need advice. I remember many years ago when I was a newb. I did not post on these boards or anywhere on the internet to ask for advice. I learned about how SC's work on the fly. I made my fair share of mistakes. However, I never ever thought I would be able to date a stripper. I admit, there are dancers from many years ago I will always remember for the rest of my life because of how beautiful they were and how great they were at giving dances. In the end, they are just memories and there are always going to be someone to replace them until the day comes that I decide to stop going to clubs.

For example, I remember a dancer that was a solid 9 and the hottest one at the club she worked at. Her dances involved a lot of stick-shifting and heavy grinding. As much as it shocked me at first that she actually would reach down and touch my penis, I actually enjoyed it a lot and just let her keep doing it multiple times throughout the dance. She was also the type that would keep grinding until you bust a nut. What made it obvious was the fact she would keep reaching down at my penis and once she felt my pants were wet, she would smile at me. Now what I am describing is very common. I am sure this stripper gave the exact same treatment to every guy she danced for. The funny thing was this was at a club in Wisconsin where the customer is not allowed to touch the dancer at all. A lot of newbs would instantly fall in love with this type of stripper. As for me, I spaced out my visits a couple of months at a time, and I still liked to experience variety (multiple dancers on each visit). It just so happens whenever I returned to the club, this same dancer (even though she did not remember me) would always approach me for dances and they would always be just as I described. Being I was still fairly new to SC'ing at the time, maybe I was the rare example of the newb that understood what was happening in the club was just a fantasy that I was paying for.

If anything I think my experience here does prove that not all newb PL's lose their sense of reality when they start going to clubs.

One newbie post might be for real. A cluster of cringeworthy posts, 2-3 days apart like clockwork, is not

Women can be very accommodating, if they want to be. I first really got a taste of this in an AMP, one I call scheming Vietnamese Angela. She was new at the shop right next to the Sunnyvale Hip Hugger. I had sessioned with others, but not she. There she was, obviously trying to entice me. She was wearing a long skirt, slit up real high. Underneath she was showing me that she had on thigh high fence net stockings.

So I went for it. Soon, just on impulse, I had her up against the wall and we were DFKing. She was not holding back at all. Soon she peeled down to just her high heels, with straps to keep them on, and her stockings, and her face was all painted up, and she had on these long dangling earrings. She had huge fake tits too. So we did the deed, with lots of DFKing, and I really just enjoyed every aspect of the experience.

Then she invited me to start seeing her regularly at her home, and implying BBFS.

I think it was from that early P4P experience ( I was over paying the girls then at that shop ), that I learned that if women want to, they can make your dreams come true, and it is really neat.

I passed on the home visits offer, as that would be like letting her become my mistress. I was married and so I wanted to keep the infidelities within some bounds.

But the event really effected me.

It is possible to have the main type of strip club fantasy come true. On going relationships, that is a different matter.

But because women can be that accommodating when they want to, I say that one should never accept anything less. This is what I find as the take away from AMPs and Strip Clubs.

The reason I call Angela scheming is that later other girls would tell me that she was stealing their regulars, and stuff like that. Very aggressive and slutty in the front room. And then later Angela ran a couple of shops of her own, and she was going to Engineering School too. But she's a dragon lady.

And also, following Angela's example, other girls started dressing for me and being ready for no holds bared GFE with me too.

SJG

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"One newbie post might be for real. A cluster of cringeworthy posts, 2-3 days apart like clockwork, is not"

And none of them were by LFM.

Angela was really giving me her best. It was not just GFE, it was a Mistress Audition. Hard to beat that.

So completely opposite to the GF's and the wife I had. They poison sex with their negative attitudes.

Now sure, Angela was being well paid. But if she could do that for money, in principle she could do just as well if she just wanted to. This is my point, money is not really the issue, it is what women can do when they really want to please and they are not trying to make you wrong for your sexual desires.

SJG

In the organization I am building, guys will be getting drained dry by stripper grade hotties in high heels and makeup, 365 days per year.

One of the things which makes this possible is simply that once women learn what they can do, they develop a huge capacity. So as they will like our guys, it will be nothing for them to service very nicely a whole bunch of guys. Sleep overs need to be rationed a bit, like say 4 per 7 day week. But basic quickies, no limit. The women can do far more than the men can, and they love it.

So most of the problems in relationships between men and women, and the ways that strip club dancers sort of fill in the slack, and come to be seen as irresponsible and reckless, these are just artifacts of the world which patriarch and capitalism have created. Most of it is not immutable.

SJG

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As has been mentioned by others, SCs are like "bizarro-world" compared to real life. Many newbies, and some hard head PLs, are challenged in making the adjustment.

One of the reasons this hobby is so fascinating is the "complexity" of mastering the "game", whatever that is for each PL. The games played by PLs vary widely. Some PLs are perfectly happy with visiting low mileage bikini clubs a couple times a year, while others enjoy building and maintaining a harem of OTC partners.

We have some members here who have built harems of OTC partners. And they can do this because they make them into mistresses, instead of paying hookers for sex.

The central fantasy components which strip clubs cater to can be made real outside.

Conventional relationships, that is an entirely different matter.

SJG

@SJG what two catogiroes you speak of brother?

In my experience a women is either Wifey material or not. The problem with most of us is we try to make women (aka strippers) Wifey material and that's when the shit hits the fan lol

As one of those guys who I guess wrote one of those in what was unintentionally a series, I'll reply. Shit maybe there is something in the air. Now my post got a bit misconstrued. I'm not doing anything crazy. I often post about the psychological/social aspects of the weird world of the club. And I've been run down with all types of stripper shit & approaches, and I'm interested in how its done. Generally I'm cognizant the game being played, and find it fascinating.

Because I'm aware of the game, I can watch everything go down and float above it. But what happened the other night for some reason, zinged through my normal stripper shit defenses and hit a different nerve. I've been run down by chicks with better bodies & prettier faces, but this chick struck a nerve w/me. And I have no clue, why. So maybe there is some shit in the air.

But I ain't leaving no body or trying to turn anyone into a house wife.

As the strip club poet laureate Juicy J says "These hoes, they for everybody"

not calling dancers hoes, but you get the point. She can't be yours, because she's for everybody

There are 2 types of PLs on this board and most (not all, but most) guys here fall under 1 of 2 categories:

Category 1: married dude who for the most part has their shit together who goes to clubs for some side action, or may be a little on the older side in age who like to bang strippers half their age. Also many of these guys are now divorced, but at one time were married and most have children. In other words these guys at at least one point in their life could easily get laid without the aid of money.

Category 2: Dudes who have never been married and would still be virgins if they weren't able to pay for sex, rather it be through an AMP, stripper, escort, etc. they make fun of low life stripper boyfriends, but the stripper boyfriends get all night for free what these PLs have to pay $400 for 30 minutes of.


Then there's guys like SJG and LDK82 that you really can't put in a category.

^ I can assure you if anyone pays $400 for just 30 minutes, she better rate as an 11 or else you are getting ripped off.

Rickberge wrote, "a women is either Wifey material or not"

Yes, that's what I mean. Most men divide women into those categories, and see them as serving different purposes.

And it is a double standard, as men a praised for their sexual experience, where as women are stigmatized for such.

I don't go along with it, and I never have.

SJG

For LDK the category is pervert.

For me, in a different sort of way that might also apply. Not sure.

:)

SJG