Question for the Mexico experts...

Do the families know what they do? Yes and no.

Like strippers in the USA, it varies....many putas send money back to their families, different than most strippers in the USA, but similar to Asian women who work here in AMP's.

It depends......like most everything else. Any answer is a generalization.

Thanks for this info!

:)

SJG

Many years ago on a visit to Acapulco I was told that a lot of the girls came from Mexico City on vacation and then got stuck there when their money ran out.

Being that Mexico borders the largest economy in the world (U.S.) I imagine prostitution goes back a long ways and it'a kinda part of the culture - I imagine families know or at least look the other way - many if those girls probably go back home flush w/ cash anr I assume they buy a lot f stuff and probably even houses thus families probably have an idea

I took a shit there once

It looked like a taco bell burrito

With gravy

I am an expert at shitting

I am not an expert at Mexico

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many of the girls at hong kong club in tijuana are from all over mexico making money for their education and family.

^^^^^ Those kinds of girls I could get along with very well. They do what they do in order to earn a living. Where as with the typical white American drug addict blacksheep stripper, I would have no use for her, and no patience with her.

SJG

People say they take tablets to Tijuana, because they will fit in the safes they bring in. I have no experience with tablets. I wonder if they have to use hand trucks to bring all their stuff across the border.

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People used to talk about Montezuma's Revenge, and that you could even get it from ice cubes or the drinking glasses washed in local water. So you need to only drink from their soda pop bottles, and opened right in front of you. Now I am not hearing about this.

And then of course the women, are they safe?

Anyway, this one, Mexico City, needs to be stripped down to just her tacones and stockings and then licked and kissed everywhere that is bared. Just the bare minimum would take until next morning. doxyspotting.com

Regarding Justme62, yes all of Mexico but also beyond Mexico, as I understand Mexico has at times been inundated with Central Americans looking for opportunity to the North and it all ends up in TJ and other border towns. You will find Guatemalans, Hondurans, Salvadorans etc mixed in with the girls from around Mexico, at any of the Clubs or the Boys Towns. If they can get the health card, they can be a Dancer or a Puta (and we all know how thin the line is there).

I have no experience with Mexican whores but it sounds like a fantasy to me. I bet most of the whores are pimped or trafficked. They are not doing it to pay college tuition.

in general i don't get that feeling bavarian.

Maybe the streetgirls, but I honestly don't think many of the girls at Hong Kong in TJ have pimps or have been trafficked. Most seem to be like friendlier versions of U.S. strippers. A little full of themselves, all dolled up, with iphones, etc. I can't imagine a pimp allowing a girl to have an iphone. Anyway, I've seen Hong Kong girls come and work for a month or so and then leave. They've told me they are going back to college or back to their families and it seemed legit.

The one in black and white from yesterday, second picture and location determined:

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Most of these doxy photos are on this Calz. de Tlalpan, the biggest group of them. But this school girl in black and white was about 1/2 mile east, near a park and lots of other hookers. Also a bit further to the North.

I still say that a great deal of her appeal in in how she is dressed. And that sexy, out on a public street, is even more of a turn on than in a strip club or hooker bar, or in private.

Wow, if I came to Mexico City and encountered her, it would be very hard to then leave without her. I would assume that someone else will feel the same way, and will just marry her.

Interesting, I feel pain already over the hypothetical situation of having to leave her, and not being able to maintain contact. But over my ex-wife, the pain reduces everyday.

I don't think they have pimps. Why would they need pimps if they don't have trouble with the law.

Live in female headed households, no mention of pimps at all. amazon.com

The ones I have called, "Beloved Latina Escorts" in San Jose, they live in female headed households, no pimps.

Promoting neo-liberalism, no pimps: anthropologymatters.com

All the TJ videos and TJA, no talk of pimps.

This one in black and white, notice the black bag on the board on the milk crate. I assume the black bag is hers.

Interesting, in those TJ videos, most of the girls have nothing, not even purses. But there is one, dressed as a black and white school girl, very similar to this one, and she has a big black bag.

She has it on a shoulder strap, and as she leans against the wall, she keeps it behind her back and leans on it.

What does the bag mean? Does it mean that she does not rent a locker in a hotel? Does it mean that she came from out of the area, and that that is all she has?

Is she like a stray cat, ready to bed down with who ever wants her? Does she do most of her eating and sleeping with customers?

Or does it mean that she has a local place, and then doesn't want to use a locker, so she takes enough. Change of clothes for riding back on the bus?

Or does it mean she is toda la noche ready. Seems like they would need at a minimum their contraceptive pills, as those should be taken at the same time each day.

SJG

People on TJA list the things which mean you are really a monger, if you go to Las Chevales or Bar Tropical each day, "to get some tongue". Sounds like the girls are really into DFKing and makeout sessions.

SJG

New HK Bar video youtube.com

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i know the exact spot where this guy is standing. on the ramp along the booths. the ramp is midway north to south on the lowest level. you see the main stage in some of his shots. the rail the girls are leaning on is the steps that parallel the ramp the stair case behind (to the south) leads upstairs to more seating booths and dj booth and dressing room. the ramp leads to the back stage where some of the shaving cream shows are. and the tub. this guy does a good job hiding his video efforts.

People on TJA are saying that about 60% of the HK Bar girls are fine with DFKing. The reason some decline is they don't want to do it in front of other customers they know. So they say that almost all will makeout with a guy in the dance booth and arriba.

People are saying that if you up the feel up tip to about $10, you can often DFK a girl. ( I would not do this caprciously. If it happens, then she is my date, and probably until morning and beyond. )

This is not getting picked up in the videos this guy is taking.

People are saying that BT and LC girls are even more into DFKing

And then at Chicago Club girls seem to insist on makeout sessions, and then at Playboy Club they really don't give guys a choice.

But what street girls do, at least usually, is minimal. 200pesos ( about $10 )

Won't let a guy put his arm around her, but will take his hand as they go to the hotel. Tacones way up by her hears as he pumps her till completion, then she is gone.

I feel that if one had some artistry and some money, one could slow them down and soften them up.

One guy has a long list of things he is going to do in TJ. One of them is to take a street girl to lunch, without ever discussing a session. Wait until she mentions it.

Thanks for that info justme62,

SJG

tacones way up by her ears

clarification, SJG

Also, second picture of the black and white Mexico City girl

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SJG

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Correction, pics of the black and white Mexico City girl

SJG

This girl here, originally I was very critical of her:

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What do you think, do you think she is going to be gotten into a front room makeout session? That she wants her tits rubbed is a positive factor. And then as she starts shifting her position, the camera goes off of her, so we really don't know that happened, or why the camera went off of her.

SJG

Mexico City girl

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The Black and White Mexico City Girl

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4 pics including her doxyspotting.com

Obviously a very nice looking girl, but I still say her visceral appeal has a great deal to do with how she dresses herself, accentuating her long slender legs with the extreme strapped on tacones. the stockings, and the extremely short skirt, and being out in public like that.

Lots of pics circulating of some very hot TJ street girls. Though what people say is that there main service is just quickie, not even including undress. But could be as low as 200p ($10). I would not do it that way with them. I'd pay the girl nicely and spend time with her and try to get to know her and get her into GFE mode, and then to the hotel and for a long session with repeat visits.

Of the HK Bar youtube videos, looks like that jiijii's all got deleted or set to private. There were some really good ones two. Though not much nudity, feel ups, or makeout sessions, but enough to get him in trouble with youtube.

People are saying that this is the only one of the TJ Puta Bars which enforces the smoking ban, "El Fracaso has chicas that work there because of their enforcing the law." Not listed on TUSCL or Escorts of Mexico, don't know any more about it.

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People say that in the Cascadas Hotel there are some balconies that are really good for makeout sessions. Don't know if they just mean with the South Side Staircase, or if there are places to sit, or if girls will go up there before committing to the full arriba.

That the girls are college girls is interesting. I could get along with them very well.

But it clicks with this idea that the government is using Neo-Liberal Doctrine, just as it does in the US, promoting the upwards mobility ethic.

But this is also part of the reason there aren't many pimps.

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I read about this though and part of me feels that this is unfair to the young college men of the same age, and not having money to feed them with. Something seems wrong about it, that these men might be looked down upon and their academic studies devalued.

Well, the organization I am working to build will fix this for our members. But we will never be but a small portion of the population. And I still have much more to do to expand it beyond my own f2f circle, and then still more to be able to expand it across an economic, legal, and cultural fault line into Mexico. Though I already know that there is much to learn from Mexico.

SJG

the best balcony is on the south side. the north one is enclosed.

@justme62 you do know that san_jose_guy is never ever ever going to go to tijuana and he is never ever ever going to shut the fuck up and stop asking the same stupid questions over and over again while creating a bizarre fantasy world in his sick, sick mind. stop enabling him. his mom has a hard enough time trying to get him to brush his tooth and into bed without you winding him up. thanks

So two balconies.

Will girls go up there with you, without having to committee to the hotel room session, i.e. like for more making out? Is there a place to sit?

Do you know which floors?

The reason I know about this is some guy on TJA says he doesn't try to makeout with the girls in the bar, as they have regulars or mesero BF's who they don't want to see it.

Sounds like at HK Bar, 60% fine with front room makeout. But most all are fine with it in the dance booth.

But you see my point, best if it is relaxed and civilian in style, and with time to talk to her and get to know her. So dance booth is not that good. Better in the main seating area, or up on some balcony, especially if there are couches or something, and before committing to arriba.

Thanks, SJG

^^^^ see what i mean @justme62

justme: sending you a PM about HK.

good point dr. phil. but what i post is for all of us pervs. sjguy is missing out on the wonderful experience of mexico. he knows that he could get up to speed with the knowledge he has now and in just one visit. i'll even show him around.

sjguy. gotta pay for her time. balconies on second floor of cascada. near each front desk. north and south. north enclosed. south balcony totally open overlooking the alley cahulia. not greatly surprised about the possibility of boyfriend mesros. maybe they are the pimps that somebody alluded to.

I like that south balcony. I've sat out there before to just take in the whole scene, before heading to Hong Kong later. It's fun from that spot, because you can see all the street girls standing around, guys approaching them, drug deals, and other shady stuff going on. Also, you are close enough to the street that all of the girls can see you and will check you out. Some waved at me and asked me to come down. The balcony is locked sometimes, but if you ask them to open it, they will. They'll even bring you drinks out there, and probably food too, if you ask them too.

It's worth noting Tijuana is about as far from most of Mexico while still being in Mexico and FWIW, Nogales is far away from most of Mexico, too.

DandyDan, Yes I know that the entire border is very much different from the rest of Mexico. Crazy people, high crime rate. People say Mexicali is more relaxed for mongering. I suspect that most of the country does not have these high profile strip clubs and the fancy hotels, but that everywhere they have hooker bars, houses of dates, street girls, and escorts.

Justme62 and Sleepwalking, yes I gather that from the South balcony you can see "The Alley", as that is what street view suggests about the building.

Yes of course the women expect to be paid for their time. But given that, is the balcony a good place to take a girl for a makeout session and for getting to know her, without meseros and quieter and a bit more private? Place to sit?

Suitably compensated of course, do they do that? And with Street Girls too?

As far as the money, I think the key to all of this is just to get the girl used to accepting small to modest tips, without assuming that you are trying to buy something from her, get her to do something, or low bid a session.

So of course this is easiest inside a strip club, and with those $1 feel ups. That is ideal. And people say that with $10 you can begin kissing with her. Though sometimes girls take the initiative themselves.

Better to figure out some sort of a way of doing the same thing with street girls. Handing her money, but without her thinking you are trying to get her to agree to a session. Just to get her to completely open up.

It's like getting her converted over from hooker fees to mistress maintenance. So you figure out things to say to her that lead her into accepting the idea that the money is just a gift.

So the idea is not to save money, but actually to do a better job of passing out even more of it. So you are getting her off the clock in terms of service, but in terms of money you are putting her onto a payroll.

So for example, I have had many conversations in strip clubs about the high heels that girls are wearing, or might wear. Usually this quickly gets to, "Are you going to buy them for me, I wear size 6?"

And other people have posted here about some kind of a fetishistic interest being a good basis for starting interactions with a stripper. Such as, liking her painted toe nails, and inserting $1 between her toes.

So for example, me looking to make things get started fast and end up doing regular extreme GFE TLN and photo modeling sessions with a girl I select, it might be something like:

"I like those tacones you are wearing. I know that you need money to be able to dress like that." $20 and let the basic feel up and what nuzzling she want to do proceed. And always telling her more about myself as she gets cheek to cheek with me.

"You should let me take care of you and supply you with things to wear." $20 and proceeding to DFKing, with more intimate feel up.

Tell her about myself, see if she wants to sit down, but always emphasize that we should get to know each other. So we might end up on the balcony, or eating if that is what she wants, but the real arriba is withheld until more talk and making out, and with more gift money. But never trying to negotiate her into a makeout session for a price. She gets money, but making out happens when she lets it happen.

Let her learn about me, learn about her as possible, like living arrangements, which will usually detect SO's and children. Show interest and try to get some idea about her financial needs and objectives, like saving for school, supporting kids, building nest egg. Extra money and continuing to push the "take care of you" and outside career building line.

And then maybe extended arriba or full TLN. Getting her to agree on the time, like 3 hours, or 2 hours then food, then more, or just TLN right up front. Getting her to agree on time is fine. And with girls I always make sure in polite language that she knows that I'm going to be fucking her brains out. But my way of communicating this to her is always extremely tactful and enticing, often not even requiring words. And I never try to get her to agree to anything specific. Keep it as civilian as possible.

Point is, though she is getting money, the makeout session is for free, and actually though she is getting more money, everything else, like pumping jizm into her 3x inputs for the rest of the night, is also free.

And then keep it like that for subsequent sessions, as I become more and more involved in Mexican affairs and she is my regular lingerie photo model and 3x inputs bed mate.

Easy to pass out money. But better not to get into a hotel room with a girl until she has really opened up to you, fully GFE, very open and communicative. Withhold the jizm until the relationship is at the right point. Beyond a point, most guys get to where they have more money than jizm.

Take girls up to the balconies, for makeout sessions, places to sit?

God made woman with two hands, one for squeezing man's cock, the other for accepting his money.

Thank you guys for sharing your expertise. SJG

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"People are saying that this is the only one of the TJ Puta Bars which enforces the smoking ban, "El Fracaso has chicas that work there because of their enforcing the law." Not listed on TUSCL or Escorts of Mexico, don't know any more about it. "

This is a very small place, on the street running from West to East, just one block South of that alley which runs behind the Cascadas. And then it is one block further East. Looks very small, don't know anything more about it, like session rooms or hotel proximity.

SJG

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8133 Callé Primera

You can use zoom outs and changing back to maps to see where it is. Don't know anything more about it, but it is in Zona Centro.

SJG

Oh, there is this hotel just 4 doors down, within stripper shoe distance.

That parameter is part of what makes TJ look like a paradise on earth.

SJG

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maybe i'll take a quick look as i walk by on my way to hk and ab. thats about two to three blocks before adelitas.i walk that way...west from the arch to a pharmacy then to the clubs.

See if they observe the no smoking law.

See what the women look like and how they are dressed. Especially the tacones, and if they are strapped on. Because everything else will just get pulled off of her.

TJA people are saying they get girls there because of the smoke free environment.

On TJA, guys say they get more makeout sessions in the smaller bars than they do in the HK Bar. Usually a girl just jumps onto their lap and a makeout session ensues. You don't get much choice in the matter.

So that place could be real nice, and if there is food nearby, and then that hotel, just go from makeout session , as far as FIV and tittie sucking, and then to the hotel and with some food time later. I could really like that.

I like Latina's, I like them a bit older, and probably a bit lower cost. I mean if she is on my lap ramming her tongue into my mouth, then I don't really need to court her or anything like that. Just enjoy her, and go directly to TLN, I guess with Saluda.

SJG

i have not been impressed by any of the ladies that i've seen in that one block.

Right passed that arch.

SJG

You look in the bars?

SJG

I've found some written about that Hotel Santa Cecilia, sounds okay. Don't specifically know about room service or Jacuzzis. Right at the Silver Arch.

Sounds like that whole area is full of hotels. I've seen pictures of rooms that though plain, have everything you need, plus a Jacuzzi. So the whole place seems set up for love trysts, TLN's of burying your cock into your sweetie, interspersed with food and the Jacuzzi, and even some sleeping.

That kind of love making equals the best I have ever had in my entire life.

And then to be able to hook up with a girl, like in one of these second tier bars, and then get her exactly as she was dressed and painted up when you first found her, that has got to be the heavenly paradise here on earth.

I do not know of any place else like that. Maybe these euro FKK clubs, I don't know. Maybe other areas of Latin America?

Dressed and painted up as you found her, immediate makeout session, then a hotel within stripper shoe distance. Awesome!

SJG

Guys talking about TJ, front room DFKing:

" Shit, walk into Playboy and you may not even have warning it's about to happen. Im sitting there enjoying the scenary of a chica and the conversation with mi amigo Avanic, when all of a sudden a chica comes up from behind, yanks my head back a slight bit and burys her tongue as far down my throat she could get. This lasts about a minute and then she pulls off, and asks if I wanted to buy her a drink or arriba. "

" It's a deal breaker for me too. I want DFK. I always go through an "interview" process in a booth in the bar. If she's not into jamming her tongue down your throat, and visa versa, in the bar - it's not going to happen in the room. There are hundreds of other BGs within walking distance. Once through the door, if she backs off from what was transpiring in the bar, the rest of the session is going to be disappointing also. Bail out, and move on. "

SJG

Another post about the TJ Playboy Bar,

"BG walks up puts a tongue down my throat and then asks for a drink"

SJG

i won't be in tj until at least next week.

The more I read about it and contemplate it, wow, I need to plan on having that be my primary base of operations, at least for some years, my residence!

Thanks for all your expert info!

SJG

TJ Zona Map 2.bp.blogspot.com

funny. that map does not show the church that is between the little restaurant (by adelitas) and las chaveles (by hong kong). prime real estate property imho. but it does show the pharmacia that i get my generic viagra at.

Facing South:

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I hope they don't put out a Save a Ho message, but I had noticed that before.

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Have you walked under the silver arch, to get into the Zona?

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By El Fracaso and the Hotel Santa Cecilia. Look in their bars? Girls on the street? It is outside the official Zona.

SJG

once in a great while... somebody street preaches. but as i don't understand spanish i don't know who exactly the message is directed to. when i walk to zona norte i usually walk under the arch to stop at the pharmica to buy a viagra.

I saw the pharmacy there on the map. Girls on the sidewalk there? Seem them in the bars?

How about San Gabriel Valley, if you learn to play it right, and can give up some money, can you get their girls into a front room makeout session, instead of letting her sell you on the VIP Room right off?

If, feeding her money, you can get that front room makeout session, the when you invite her to the VIP Room,, it should be awesome.

Thanks, SJG

you ain't never going anywhere are you san_jose_guy? you're just a little pussy whipped window licker. it must have been humiliating when your ex-mail order bride laughed when you couldn't get it up. did she laugh out loud or was it uncontrolled giggling? was that the reason for the divorce? failure to consummate the marriage that you had paid for but you couldn't fulfill your manly duty in bed? was she from tijuana or is that just where they mailed her from?

Hotel Ticuan, Tijuana, Jacuzzi Master Suite

One of the preferred places for meeting escorts. Looks like good place to see any girl by appointment, About 7 blocks South of Zona Norte. Seems like it will soften a girl up more if you get her out of the Zona. Had never thought about Jacuzzi's before I saw that they were common in these TJ hotels. Outstanding for entertaining a girl between rounds.

Not sure of costs, but likely less than Cascadas. Maybe about $100 per night, influenced by favorable exchange rates.

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SJG

Also includes safety box, outstanding place for photo modeling session, and also for non-mongering aspects of trip.

SJG

Guys post about going into El Fracaso.

Sounds like the extreme feel ups are more and HK bar thing. But he found a 19yo lovely with her tits coming out of her bustier. He partook, and then they went to a session room. So El Fracaso does have in house session rooms, and sometimes the girls are real good looking.

SJG

They say BT is one of the worst for smoke, US Asians.

And the La Gloria has less, and Fracaso has none.

SJG

This La Mansion, they are saying it is only $40 per night for the Jacuzzi room. Though on the main highway, it is about 1.5 miles South of the Zona Norte. Good for meeting girls who get around by taxi, like escorts. Not sure how SG and BG meet people. Not sure if they use public transit, or where it runs.

TJ has 4 universities and I first took serious not of it when I read a book written by two TJ academics.

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