The biggest issue: Congress!

Mate27
TUSCL’s #1 Soothsayer!
It is a strong possibility that Obama Care gets repealed, a conservative Supreme Court Justice gets appointed, and US protectionistic policies get pushed through quickly the next two years!

This is what is probably rattling the markets in the short term, but once the calm settles in all will be back to prosperity. What we saw last night is the power of democracy, which is why you never bet against the U.S.

What say you will be the biggest outcomes of a unified Chief and Congress? Does Paul Ryan keep his job as Speaker?

19 comments

  • Mate27
    8 years ago
    I think the lying liberal media will have to change. The polling data was twisted to give the perception that Clinton was sealing the election.
  • WetWilly
    8 years ago
    I have no respect for Donald Trump, bud I an intrigued with having a Republican majority in the US Senate, the US Congress, along with a Republican administration.

    It'll be interesting to watch.
  • Subraman
    8 years ago
    The wildcard here is, is Trump really a Republican? His administration will be, but him? Among the areas I'm most concerned about is trade, where things have gone topsy turvy -- it's supposed to be the Republicans who have enough basic grasp of actual economics to be pro-trade, and Democrats who are the bought-and-paid-for lackeys of the unions who are against it. Instead, we have Trump echoing some of Bernie's messages -- populist recognize populist -- and the Democrat Clinton who seemed to actually have a grasp of the fundamentals and a far more informed view of economic, fiscal, and monetary policy. For basically all the same reasons, I'm concerned about foreign policy in general. Populist views are a cancer, no less so with Trump than with Bernie, and there's real cause for very serious concern.

    Where I"m cautiously optimistic is around gun policy and immigration policy.
  • twentyfive
    8 years ago
    to Subraman-
    I think the real wild card in all of this, is whether the Republicans having control of all three branches of government can restrain their fringe elements enough to govern responsibly, and having said that, I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt and wish for their success. Because if they succeed we succeed.
    My concern is that with as much control as they have right now where is the check and/or balance on absolute power to prevent authoritarianism from rearing its ugly head and taking us in directions we absolutely don't want to go.
  • Dougster
    8 years ago
    @Meat72: Yeah that was one of many things in the Clinton plan that backfired on them.
  • Dougster
    8 years ago
    As for Paul Ryan... The instinct would be to say he is toast. How magnanimous Trump is will be the big tell. I bet he privately has Paul Ryan beg on his knees to keep his job or maybe even have Ryan given him a BJ and then let's him keep his job.
  • vincemichaels
    8 years ago
    OOOOH, Paul Ryan giving the next Pres a BJ. i hope he bites the thing off. :)
  • WetWilly
    8 years ago
    I'm not sure what you're talking about, Dougster. Paul Ryan, Speaker of the House, having to get approval from the Executive Branch to be the Speaker of the House? What legal connection do you see between the leadership of these two branches of our government?
  • Mate27
    8 years ago
    I bet Trump grabs him (Ryan) by the microphone.
  • Subraman
    8 years ago
    Do you think Trump's itty bitty fingers will fit around Ryan's giant microphone?
  • JackKash
    8 years ago
    I commented on the wrong discussion string about my concerns for a unified Republican Government in all branches. I'm not going to repeat it here. Yes, the hope is when confronted with this big responsibility, they do the right thing and can control the right wing fringe elements. What I will paraphrase from my comment on the other thread was that the constitutional separation of powers was to help protect the minority from the majority. To say the least, that will be watered down. In the extreme, would that lead to IS Deportation Squads rounding up all latinos without due process? Would, by law, all Muslims have to report to internment camps in the interest of national security as was done to the Japanese? That's a worse case scenario and probably to blatant but I bet we see some laws with insidious creep. Or worse yet, see private citizens now emboldened to take matters into their own hands.
  • Tiredtraveler
    8 years ago
    Despite all the noise I think there were three issues that were important.:
    1] Fixing Obamacare or replacing it. Hillary wanted to continue with only increasing fines for not joining and moving toward government paid healthcare with a bureaucrat in charge. Trump wants to repeal and replace.
    2] Supreme court judges: People were worried about losing their rights, first and second as well as all the rest not the least of which is seizure of the rights of each state.
    3] The lose of the sovereignty of the USA to the world government. She was for it he is against it.
    In other words he wants to tel the UN to FUCK OFF and she want the let UN to take over us including running our elections but leave her in charge(as they have proposed several times because we require citizenship and voter registration to vote that they deem unfair to no citizens).
  • Subraman
    8 years ago
    -->"I think the real wild card in all of this, is whether the Republicans having control of all three branches of government can restrain their fringe elements enough to govern responsibly, and having said that, I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt and wish for their success. Because if they succeed we succeed."

    Ya, It isn't just fringe elements, though ... on social issues, I don't think abortion limits are a fringe element, they're Republican base. My generic concern about Republican power (rather than Trump in particular) is around social issues ... about the only things I"m comfortable with Republicans on, when it comes to social issues, is guns and immigration. Luckily, I suppose, the appointment of a conservative justice just returns us to the status quo of the last 8 years -- 4-4 with Kennedy as a moderate swing vote, and as long as he's around, I don't think abortion gets outlawed, for example, at least that's the hope. Porn and drug policy, policy towards LGBT, I dunno, more cause for concern, perhaps.

  • Mate27
    8 years ago
    I hope they drain the swamp of SJG type idealists who are racists.
  • DoctorPhil
    8 years ago
    ^^^^^^ amen amen i say to you
  • Tiredtraveler
    8 years ago
    One thing I found encouraging is the number of votes for the libertarian party despite having a duffus candidate. People are waking and finally finding out that big government only cares about big government despite lip service campaign lies to the contrary.

    I hope to hear the Donald's signature phrase many time directed toward bureaucrats "YOUR FIRED":
    IRS commissioner who uses his position to harass political enemy s of the status quo.
    The head of the VA and prosecute the incompetent crook
    The head of the EPA for Flint's water not to mention the mine sludge in the west and using the agency to illegally subvert the law with regulation even when a judge directs him to stop!
    The list goes on!!
    The corruption from power mad bureaucrats lining their pockets and each one protecting their fiefdom is nauseating.
    Remember the government shutdown and no one noticed until the administration started shutting down this that we considered essential that had been funded to make headlines. You could fire virtually every other employee at the federal level and no one would notice they were gone for years.
  • skibum609
    8 years ago
    I look at the progressives whinng here about the poor muslims and it astounds me that they cannot figure out that their vile hatred of the people who founded america, and their love for t hose who hate it and want to change it is why they lost. To me the Republican "fringe" are americans and the democratic "fringe" are foreign enemies. I hate them both, but the only one I would take up arms against is the left. BTW while my wife voted Trump, I voted for gary Johnson, because if I wouldn't invite the fuck to a pool party I ain't voting him for President.
  • twentyfive
    8 years ago
    ^^^^But Gary Johnson is a whole nother world of stupid. That guy is so dumb he makes rocks look like Einstein, now if Bill Weld was the top of the ticket might have been a different story, not that they could have won but it might have put people on notice.
  • Jascoi
    8 years ago
    i hope that 'truth and honesty' prevails. impossible with most politicians. butt... i can hope.
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