Thrill of the pursuit
Itsmytime
I’ve had enough and I can’t take it any more
In my last post, some questioned how I can enjoy thrill of the pursuit in a strip club.
The thrill is in finding the right girl that meets my standards of beauty and willingness to perform. I often leave a club with a full wallet because I did not find 'that' dancer. Once in a while, I do find such a dancer. Then, I negotiate the performance. Sometimes, even an offer of more money will not get what I want. It rarely all comes together, even in a club, but when it does, the thrill is realized.
To you who settle for whoever happens to be at the club and will do whatever for a few extra $, I say, good for you. I, however, enjoy the thrill of the pursuit...even in a club.
I have been around the world, lookin' for that woman, girl...
The thrill is in finding the right girl that meets my standards of beauty and willingness to perform. I often leave a club with a full wallet because I did not find 'that' dancer. Once in a while, I do find such a dancer. Then, I negotiate the performance. Sometimes, even an offer of more money will not get what I want. It rarely all comes together, even in a club, but when it does, the thrill is realized.
To you who settle for whoever happens to be at the club and will do whatever for a few extra $, I say, good for you. I, however, enjoy the thrill of the pursuit...even in a club.
I have been around the world, lookin' for that woman, girl...
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i can't speak for dougster, but i think his point was that there's not much of a "pursuit" in a strip club because these gorgeous women are throwing themselves at customers for money.
that's the whole appeal of SC's. its instant gratification from beautiful women. in the real/civy world......picking them up is not nearly as easy
I'd say it's obvious to the point of being moot that most of us enjoy this aspect, to some extent. Among guys who like escorts, it's exactly what they don't like, and the reason they go with escorts. Obviously, there's a bit less of this in brothel-like extras clubs, where very girl DOES do everything, and it's just a matter of price. I've been pulling girls out of non-extras clubs for years, and enjoy the uncertainty
If you really want the "thrill of pursuit" then go to Starbucks or your local State U. and pick up a 20-yr-olds with no exchange of cash.
What if the girl you want is one of the other 4? Are you applying this standard of "no thrill of pursuit" based on the fact that there's a high probably of finding SOMEONE (even if you don't want her)? I don't understand the disagreement here -- are you guys saying you can walk into a no-extras club and get OTC almost all of the time, with exactly the girl of your choice, with the activities you want, at the price you want? If so, I most be a total wanker, a good number of girls aren't interested, and I'd guess at least half who eventually say yes, take some convincing and multiple trips on my part. If there's a high degree of uncertainty -- maybe you guys are smoother or richer than me, but there's definitely plenty of uncertainty for me -- then "thrill of pursuit" can apply.
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That's where we disagree, @Subra. For me, and by definition, there's no "thrill of pursuit" if you're paying for sex.
If a girl is doing extras with anyone there is a small chance you are the very first but after that she has already broken through that mental energy barrier and her rationalizations are in or she just accepts that she is a whore.
If she is giving less to other customers it's not because of a repulsion but because they aren't demanding as much and she isn't worried about them taking their business elsewhere.
Don't be an idiot an think you area rich stud because you paid a hooker for sex. That is unless you want to give me a good laugh.
I agree with that last part -- it's pretty unlikely that something she does for me, she doesn't do for anyone else. To me, though, it's an uncontroversial fact that some girls are choosey as to who they do OTC with, just as it's uncontroversial that YMMV exists and guys get different treatment from the same girl. In a brothel-like extras club, where the girls do everything for almost everyone, and it's just a matter of agreeing on price, that might not be as true. But, on the opposite extreme, at the high end no extras clubs I go to, even among my buddies, the girls deliver different things to different guys.
That doesn't mean that I think I'm a rich stud for paying a hooker for sex... in fact, I don't even know where that idea comes about, it's a strawman, no? All OP is saying, I think, is that there's uncertainty about finding a girl you like, getting her to do what he wants, at a price he wants... and he enjoys that uncertainty. Not that he's a stud for paying a hooker for sex.
Some strippers are completely open to OTC with anyone who will pay while others feel they need to get to know the John a little to feel safer before providing.
How hot a dancer is has no correlation with how willing they are to provide, but the hotter ones demand more $$$, usually because they can get it.
I also agree with Papi. I wonder what makes him think that all us PLs don't have the same SC goals and taste in women.
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Strippers are the same way, but I am willing to bet 90+% would give extras or OTC if the $$$ were good enough. Just some require more than others.
But, you don't have to agree with any of that, to know the following is true: when a PL goes into an SC and asks the girl he's most attracted to whether she'll meet him for OTC for $300, she might say yes or no. He can enjoy the search for that girl who meets his specs for the price he wants, without believing he's some super stud. And since it's also absolutely true that some girls just won't do OTC, but others resist but can eventually be swayed with time, again, he might enjoy getting them to say yes. In the past few years, AT LEAST half of the girls I OTCed with said "no" or "let me think about it" first...
Mostly it just makes sense. If your YMMV with the same girl but from customer to customer what factors are you thinking would determine who got more? Sounds like you are implying it's how long you have know the girl and been pushing for it? In that case my experience is very different from yours. It's best to just for what you want in the first three visits. But maybe I'm just the kind of guy (i.e. I am a rich stud after all) that girls naturally feel comfortable around. :-)
As for "everyone who has become a regular has seen how some girls open up more possibilities as time goes on" this proves nothing regarding mileage from customer to customer. All it shows is that the energy barrier to doing extras tends to break down overtime, but when it breaks I still say it's going to be for everyone. Again what would motivate a girl to offer some services to some customers but not others? All wishful thinking. You guys *want* to believe that you are getting more, but you're not.
Yes this may be true but for the most part, 2 different first time(with a certain dancer) pl's will more or less get the same mileage/dances from the same girl.
"I always thought YMMV meant you may or may not get mileage depending on the girl you choose, i.e. that it was dancer dependent as in some girls give mileage and some don't, not that it was custy dependent although that can be the case at times but I think it's mostly dancer dependent as in some do some don't."
I agree with this. Unless you give off a bad "vibe".
It's definitely true, and the mileage a regular can get can be decently far past what she normally offers -- that's the main reason to be a regular, IMO, and a big reason I'm an ATFer instead of a variety guy, even though both have their place
-->" but for the most part, 2 different first time(with a certain dancer) pl's will more or less get the same mileage/dances from the same girl."
I think "for the most part" is a fine amount of hedging. For the most part, but there's variations. Occasionally, the differences can be pretty big -- just SCing with groups of guys and comparing notes proves that, IME. And comparing reviews on review sites that review the girls in detail illustrates it in abundance... tuscl tends to be a club-review only place, though.
We used this term extensively in the now-defunct local SC forum in my area, because it was obvious -- YMMV. A girl might offer a BJ to everyone, but there's a good chance her favored regulars (she'll have some regulars she dislikes) are getting more
let her come to me if she ever wants more. i honestly have spent more on her than almost any other girl in recent times.
Obviously these girls are motivated by money and so a lot of money will equal more boundaries crossed if the customer is so inclined to want to cross thise boundaries.
What Dougster is failing to acknowledge is that a lot of girls (civies included) react to vibes they received from men. Some men are naturals when it comes to making women feel safe comfortable and adventurous. Strippers are sharks for sure but even their alarms will go off. They can sense a creep they can sense a wimp and they can sense confidence and the guy who won't put up with their b*******. Because if there are a variation of men who go to clubs not one person can guarantee that every time you spend money on a stripper you will have the same experience Ergo your mileage will vary
"Girls are choosy for the most part on what they do for whom."
Certainly when they aren't doing these things for money but when it's job it's all different.
So it isn't a conventional job were there is an obligation to perform at a certain standard consistently at a standard rate of exchange.
If you are a man who isn't pushy or a little demanding ...damn right you could drop a Million and not get the same experience as a guy who understands the hustle can get for $100.
Its weird if you get to know them too well they put you in a friend zone, and I've seen them refuse $40 to dance.
On the other hand, for drug dealers and other non paying losers, hand jobs etc.
No these girls are not standardizing their performance across the board. They are savages and not all that professional for the most part. So to say that ones mileage don't vary...these girls do the samething for all customers ...where do you club I'd love to go there
Not everybody can be a-rich smooth-talking Gordon Gekko like you
Yeah later after the magic wears off you might realize it was always and negotiation and there really is no thrill. But I'd say that's the same in real life
But seriously emotional connections can be made even in a strip club. Not the wisest thing to do, but it is possible. Ergo the chase.
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Not everybody can be a-rich smooth-talking Gordon Gekko like you"
LOL ... spot-on. Just to be clear, though, I'm making a broader statement than that. Let's say you're playing blackjack, and the dealer deals you an ace ... and then, a blackjack. Are you happy about it? I sure am. Not because I"m a great gambler or "have game"... hell, all I did was sit there and, by pure luck, got the best outcome possible. I'm still pretty thrilled.
I am definitely not Gordon Gekko. I walk into the strip club and I don't even know if I'll find a girl I WANT to OTC with. Once I find her, I don't know if she'll say yes to OTC at the price I want, or if she'll do the activities I want. And, despite any claims to the contrary, my experience in real strip clubs (at least in the no-extras strip clubs I go to), not all strippers do everything with every customer and it's pretty common that a girl will tell me "Maybe... I need to get to know you better"... so now, this is my 3rd time seeing her after she told me that, and either I've earned her trust and she's going to finally say yes, or she was playing me and I'll have to let her go and move on.
Anyway, even as a grizzled old PL, I still enjoy the chase... not because I imagine I have game or the stripper is really really likes me -- it's fun to get that blackjack, regardless. While I have a hard time believing it, I suppose some of you might be going to extras clubs and scoring 100% of the OTCs you want, at the price you want, so there's never any uncertainty to it. Even then, hard not to believe you don't get a little thrill when she says yes. With me, there's loads of uncertainty.