How is this OTC deal?

If she isn't doing any extras OTC then I'd walk away from the deal if it were me.

Agreed with Londonguy. Not sure what benefit you get from it. She gets more cash in her pocket as she doesn't have to pay house fees or VIP fees plus gas money you well give her.

This only seems like a good deal for her.

I would not do this. But if it's worth it to you, go ahead.

It sounds like going out to dinner at a high end steak house, paying for a T bone, and just getting a salad.

Interesting. There are some upsides to this, but that's mainly from my situation of living in Ohio and not being able to get proper lap dances in the club.

Will it be a longer dance? Fully nude Instead of topless? Bed Instead of a chair? You get nude also? If yes to any of these than I might say yes.

Why?

I have a totally different read, but the only way you'll know is to try. I think she falls into the "I'm a good girl and don't want to be paid for sex mentality". For that small amount of money I would go for it, relax your demands/negotiating, and let her "get carried away" and give you what you want. If you can afford it, and she is worth it, carry $300-400 to reward her if she spends more time, offers a GFE and does the real deal. Don't make a big production of giving her the money. The object is not to make her feel like a "whore"

This is all assuming a high quality girl that would make this worthwhile....

I agree with K and Bubba (esp. Bubba). And would totally bring the extra money, just in case she's along the lines of woman Bubba speculates: attractive, not-quite-sure-in-her-mind-she's-an-escort-just-yet). If that's true, you'll want the handle the extra tip with the amount of discretion and respectfulness being implied. Sex may happen organically (or more likely it may not at all) and she may need to rationalize it that she's not-having-sex-for-money just yet.

$150 isn't that much money to me that 150+25+hotel isn't a great loss, if she's a quality woman. Even if all I'm getting a nude high mileage dances (which I can't get here without traveling a fair distance).

Some things I didn't mention before (maybe they will make a difference).

She always gives nude dances.

She gets so wet, I can smell her snatch on my clothes after.

She is okay with my penis being under my shirt and riding me that way ITC. It was my idea, but she was down with it.

My penis did pop out from under my shirt, she kept going. She said, "I can feel your cock on my pussy," and kept going.

She is 23 years old.

She says she is living with her sister and her husband, but she will have to find another place by the end of this month.

She says she needs to make $1200 by the end of this month and the club she works in isn't doing good business.

She only pays house fees and tip outs. Dancers set their own prices, but don't split dance money.

I HATE this club she works in. I don't want to go in.

Just to be clear I HAVE NOT vaginally penetrated this girl.

If your new details are accurate, she is dipping her toe in the OTC waters. Get a room. Meet her in the lobby, go back to the room. Bring extra cash.

Just remember - she's already getting a better deal - when you pay her $150 inside the club she only gets to keep a percentage of that money. It may be as low as 30%. When you pay her $150 outside the club, she gets to keep all of that.

Not for me.

Here's the risk of going through with this. She does a good dance for $150. Then she promises a little more fun to keep going and the little head says ok. She keeps tempting, the little head keeps saying yes. In the end, he's out hundreds of dollars to her and the hotel for nothing more than an LDK or perhaps a weak hand job.

I would only do this if the girl was DS level perfect and I wanted to run my system to convince her to fuck. Absent a girl who is your perfect fantasy woman, there's no reason to do this. The clubs are full of women willing to fuck you, so why settle for something much less?

I would test the waters if I were you.

A couple of things to work on.... after the 30 mins ask if she would like a drink or go get a bite to eat... on you of course. Then you can build a rapport with her. Make her feel at ease with you and more comfortable. This could help with your future and maybe getting OTC.

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Like others stated bring some extra cash along. Be descrete about it as well. And see if she is willing to push it further with out being aggressive about it. Remember she could be scared and nervous at the same time.

But becareful like what JS69 stated... she could just milk you out of money as well.

I think it's worth trying at least once. Even though it's a better deal for her, it's also a better deal for you. It's much more personal than being in the club, without security, cocktail waitresses, managers, and possibly cameras around.

She'll probably be more relaxed not being in her work environment, so the dances will probably be even better, and possibly lead to sex.

If she did start to lead you on by promising more, at that point, you could ask her to be clear about what exactly "more" means, so you don't get robbed.

Good luck and have fun! Let us know how it goes.

DaOnion - how is she going to be more relaxed without security around?

I'd recommend giving it a try. However, if she's not giving you FS - for only a nominal amount over your initial 150 - then cut your losses and send her home.

This is a great deal for her. She gets the full 150 - no cut to the club. You pay for the hotel room and everything else. She doesn't need to worry about club rules or management.

If she's desperate to earn $1200 - then $150 is basically 12% of what she needs. Push her a bit - with some additional cash - and see if she will go FS. One eighth of 1200 means she has a long way to go - but one quarter is much closer to her goal...

Go for it. Why not? What have you got to lose?

That other information changes things a little. The others who said bring a little extra cash are correct and maybe just maybe you can angle towards more.

Shadow, my read on this is that the girl feels pretty comfortable around this guy and doesn't do extras in the club.

If so, she may be afraid to have sex with him ITC or give him a BJ, because she's worried about being caught by security and getting fired. Since she feels comfortable around him, I don't think she's too worried about her safety OTC. In fact, I think she'll be more comfortable, without the fear of being caught doing extras ITC and losing her job. So, I think she's more likely to give him a BJ or have sex with him OTC.

I could be wrong, but just my 2 cents.

It's not a great deal on the surface. It could be worth trying once to see if it's a gateway to better mileage.

I also don't love the fact she set a hard time limit. I'd basically be looking for her to show flexibility there without asking for more cash.

JamesSD --> "I also don't love the fact she set a hard time limit. I'd basically be looking for her to show flexibility there." --> end quote JamesSD

^Agreed.

crsm27 --> "I would test the waters if I were you. ... after the 30 mins ask if she would like a drink or go get a bite to eat... on you of course. Then you can build a rapport with her." --> end quote crsm27

^crsm27 above has a partial, possible solution. Offering dinner out extends the OTC session and takes her "off the clock."

This mirrors what I do ITC. I have her dance about half the time we're together. She'll do 10-24 minutes or so of dances, do a stage set, come back to the front room with me (tipped for time) to do GFE, maybe take a smoke/potty break, then repeat the cycle.

I would break up the OTC time as well. Especially if she she's that I more cash. I wouldn't do the next set of dances right away, either. Maybe dinner, coffee, hell - even order room service. Then decide what to do next. More Dances? Something more? (If so, she needs to be explicit! No teasing while OTC. No more women trying to be coy.) Or maybe set a future date for more OTC fun.

^2nd sentence of last paragraph makes no sense; ignore it. I thought I deleted it, but clearly I pasted the wrong text from the clipboard. Sorry.

At first I was asking myself why - people usually set up OTC to do something different than what they can do ITC - but if u dont particularly like d club & would enjoy a more private setting & are paying about d same then try it & if u enjoy yourself & if so then it was worth it - also d fact she has given you VHM ITC I wojld tbink she wohld be down for more OTC if u so desired, just b prepared ahead of time to negotiate appropriately if u want more than dances.

Report back if u went thru w/ it.

This situation can sorta b looked at as d differences b/w ITC FS & OTC FS - one can do both but many prefer d OTC route.

I would probably go for it once as a possible conduit to better fun. But, it would really depend on how adament she was about no sex. If continues to strongly emphasize it will be nothing but dances, you may save time and money by believing her.

I wouldn't go along with something like that. Either she wants to do FS-OTC or she doesn't.

I would just try to back up and approach her in a civilian manner, and let outside contact develop from that.

Paying for sex shouldn't have to be the norm, it should be only for specific types of situations, like where that is what the girl is accustomed to, and even then only as a way to get to know her as a prelude to some at least quasi civilian relationship.

SJG

Many good points. For me, the extra information just strengthens what my instincts told me before and I advised originally.

JS69 is actually agreeing, but qualifying, that for him, it would need to be a DS level girl. That's where he is now in his system...not where he started.

A couple of the guys on the board have seen a couple of pictures of the girl that I took this angle with, and I don't think any of them would argue that success at that level would have been worth the "risk". What do you have to lose...not getting more than an ITC level dance and she has already had your bare dick on her bare pussy?!?! I say go for it, make her feel comfortable and let he know that she can make the choices that are right for her...but have the extra cash to reward the behavior you wish to reinforce.

IMO $175,plus hotel/motel, say another $75 is worth the investment. Bring extra cash, a bottle of wine,have a pizza delivered to the room and maybe more happens.

SJG says don't do it. Maybe I should reconsder.

If she is going to be doing dances in the room, I'd be tempted to bring a Bluetooth speaker so I could play some music. It would be odd to get dances OTC with music, IMO.

Or maybe the hotel TV has some sirius satellite radio stations or something.

"Odd without music..."

If the cost and service is the same as the club, I'd stay at the club. No risk that way.