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Honestly, my off-the-cuff explanation -- which you can take as a serious clinical diagnosis, since it's been well documented here that I got a C- in Psychology 101 freshman year in college -- is that you're plain and simply scared and/or anxious, and using a "I have to be in control" explanation to keep from admitting it. You're walking down to the dark end of the street and it's scary, we've all been there.

I think with that admission to yourself, it's just a matter of deciding you won't let it control you, and go "take the plunge". You can tell yourself anything you want to keep your anxiety down, right down to "if I feel like bailing at any time, I'll just give her her $ and bail; if I get a bad feeling, I'll stay where there's people and get out", etc. You can bail any time. You can sit on the bed and just talk to her. whatever.

Or, maybe it's not for you, and you should listen to your gut... More strippers for me, man! :)

Once I figured out (and mastered) how stripclubs worked, I couldn't wait to try out all of the other fun stuff - OTC, AMP, hookers, brothels you name it. I was like a kid in a candy store.

Don't know why you'd be so scurred. YOLO.

^^^ OTC is no place for the weak and cowardly

Obviously looks and a slutty approach are important. But for OTC, I also place a lot of importance on a dancers attitude and personality. If I genuinely enjoy being with her ITC betond the dances, then I find that I enjoy her OTC. But if I do OTC with a dancer that I'm not really compatible with just because she's hot, I find that I always regret it.

So my advice is to focus more on her personality, and choose for your first OTC a dancer that you genuinely like and enjoy as a person in addition to enjoying her as a sexual partner. I think this will make you relax and enjoy it more.

And you should be picky. I'm very picky and I reject far more OTC candidates than I accept. Just don't be so picky that you reject them all. Nobody's perfect, although dream strippers come close.

Just an idea - since you like to get comfortable with a club before you go further. When you go OTC at a strippers place - there are a bunch of unknowns (since it's her place). Maybe it would feel more comfortable if you arranged for OTC with a stripper in a hotel. You could get there first and get comfortable with the room - and then you'd be ready when she arrived?

I'd recommend going for it. If it's not a great experience - at least you gave it a shot. But I have the feeling it will be amazing!

Grow a pair and just do it if you are curious.

-->" Just an idea - since you like to get comfortable with a club before you go further. When you go OTC at a strippers place - there are a bunch of unknowns (since it's her place). Maybe it would feel more comfortable if you arranged for OTC with a stripper in a hotel."

I'd totally missed that point, Cashman. IronFox, I would not OTC with a stripper at her place unless I knew her VERY well. Get a hotel room or hot tub room, too many unknowns at her place, IMO. I like to buy her dinner and go drinking, then head back to the hotel or hot tubs.

Judging by your reviews you're in Phoenix, correct?

If there's a stripper you've done ITC with and have some rapport with, just ask her to meet you OTC at a nice hotel. You book the room, you're there first so you have the advantage. Agree to meet her in the lobby when she gets there so you both may feel a little more comfortable.

I've done a few "brothel" type places in Phoenix and they were all great but expensive. I had a cab driver of all people lead me to them. There's a lot going on if you're in Phoenix, so take advantage of it.

Never trust a stripper. I'm not saying no dancers are trustworthy, but always keep the upper hand.

1. Never go back to their place for OTC. Their boyfriend, pimp, a jealous john could be there; either specifically to jump you, mug you, or stalk her and wind up taking their rage out on you.
2. Pick the hotel. Lessons the likelihood of someone knowing the girl's routine or her being able to set up a variation.
3. Never fo back to your place (duh)
4. MOST IMPORTANT!: Always carry two types of protection: Latex and Lead.

I think the issue is just opening up to the girl yourself, so that she can open up to you. In AMPs many of the girls want to set up a string of OTC regulars. This way if their shop gets closed, they are still in business. And also, many of them want a long term SO.

Are you open and honest with the girls, and do you talk to them like you are out on a civilian date, instead of purchasing services?

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