Can ITC GFE lead to OTC or just getting PLS'd

I'll raise my hand and once you have made the transition to OTC with her, going back to ITC with her is really a let down.

IDK

Thanks Jack,

IDK is always such a great and insightful answer to any question :)

PLS-Played Like a Sucka

I like that acronym. It should be in the glossary.

Smells like I'm being baited here.

Anyway, dude that's how you dig yourself into ten dollars short of being broke.

For me, all of my pulls did not have GFE in the lapfance.

I was just like this dude who is not into the party, just watching the show from a distance. It starts from there.

I was just like this dude who is not into the party, just watching the show from a distance. It starts from there.

Yep that's exactly how I do it at all my clean clubs i patronized

I'm not sure if I totally understand you question but I will give you an example for me.

1. Meet dancer in the club, have ITC encounter which is great.

2. Meet dancer outside the club, pay same amount I pay her inside the club (so she is actually making a little more) experience (sexually) is good but dancer isn't all "dolled up" like inside the club, little bit of a let down for me plus she's more laid back outside this club which for this particular dancer is a little bit of a letdown.

3. Meet her inside the club again, I get excited because she's all dressed up again, making up looking on point...

So, for this particular dancer, I just want to have sex and then have her leave, and inside the club with her is better for me because she puts more effort in her appearance when working versus visiting my hotel. Now outside the club I get to take my time and spreading out on a bed is better so I guess it depends on your preference. If she'd put the effort she does into her appearance outside the club then I'd prefer to meet OTC, if she's going to slum it to my hotel then I'd prefer to meet ITC - the both basically cost me the same amount ($40 more with fees inside the club - not a big deal).

I'm still recuperating and repairing damage after a nightmare marriage. But I would believe that GFE ITC has a good chance of leading to whatever you want. In fact, the girl might be disappointed if you don't try to walk her out the front door with you right then. For me with AMP girls it has been this way. They went way beyond their usual limits, because they wanted something from me.

SJG

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GACA... not sure what you're asking... I think getting GFE or GFE-ish treatment ITC is the best indicator you'll have an awesome time OTC. And I don't quite understand how someone who is getting an awesome experience ITC is getting played like a sucka because of shit-talking. Color me confussed :) lol

If GFEs work you, then you deserve it.

Really, I would not say ITC GFEs are bad. Actually, I'm for ITC GFEs too, big huge fan of it.

If that is how you see it, then by all means go for it, man. You are definitely going to get it and she will gladly work with you getting that ITC GFE to your satisfaction.

But, here's the but, bro.

In my head, I believe you are going to be her ATM machine. Nothing wrong with that. It's just basic math/economics/rocket science, matching the person who needs money to the one who is providing the money.

Just like me, I'm an ATM machine too. For these girls that I fuck, they don't fuck for free.

Some of these girls will do it for money, there's no doubt about that.

To reiterate my argument and I argue after the fact, as in "ipso facto" my ITC two-ways did not translate to an OTC.

Nada. Zero. Nothing. Kaput.

^^^that my point.

I see a lot of PL's playing boyfriend with these strippers and they take full advantage of bleeding these niggas dry without having to fuck or anything hell in some cases they don't even kiss. All the while these bitches are getting both money and their emo fix. I honestly feel guys should be paid for that, it's the equivalent of giving up the pussy for girls.

But I was just wondering if maybe they were on to something. Else, where's the payoff?

So has anyone else turned ITC GFE (yes shadow I see you did) into OTC fucking GFE?

So really your question is not about what can come from GFE ITC. Rather, you want to know what it is like to be the BF of a stripper. That is a very different line of inquiry.

If you want kissing and fucking, then just make that happen with her. You will find out if she's on for it or not.

But the bigger question is what is it to have a relationship with a stripper. That is way to hard to answer, as almost anything is possible.

SJG

Do you mean P4P ITC GFE to free OTC GFE?

If it's P4P both-ways then I don't see why that would be difficult – stripper just wants to get paid.

No, SJG I was asking a "The System" question. Can playing bf ITC lead to OTC action

Let's say P4P ITC to P4P OTC GFE.

I'm guess I'm wondering what's being communicated when a guy plays GFE ITC. Does it ever lead to a stripper accepting or even suggesting OTC P4P

If it's P4P both-ways then it's just a simple matter if the girl does OTC or not (as we know; some do; some don't; some take some work) – i.e. just comes down to a simple question of OTC (unless I'm missing something).

Yes, I guess in my mind guys who play like they are in love with these girls get juiced and PLS. I wonder if maybe that strategy has actually worked for a guy and it turned into actual sex from a non-otc type of dancer

"I was asking a "The System" question. Can playing bf ITC lead to OTC action "

The System was invented by someone with zero interest in ITC GFE.

But as far as OTC, it is often available. Not a big deal.

As far as what a dancer is communicating and how she sees you after ITC GFE, usually it is very good. If it went well between you and she, then odds are she is waiting for you to hear from you what you want next. Odds are she will do whatever you want her to do. This would be my guess as to what is most likely.

In some escort and AAMP situations, GFE is standard. Maybe it is with some strippers too, but I suspect that it is the exception. But anyway, if it went well, then probably anything is possible.

How did it feel for you? To you what did it seem would be the best way to follow up?

When it has been like that for me with AMP girls, it was because they wanted an outside relationship. Sometimes it was to be off the clock. Other times they were offering escort sessions in their own home. Other times they were offering escort sessions, but that was just the bait. What they really wanted was a civilian SO relationship.

What do you want to happen with your ITC GFE partner?

SJG

^^^SJG Thanks for the theory, I appreciate it. But any body have any "real world " experience?

My real world experience is that when women offer GFE, even in a P4P situation, it is because they are auditioning for some sort of outside relationship.

The partial exception is in escort and AAMP situations, because GFE is expected. But even then, if it goes real well, the girl is up for whatever you want.

As far as making the outside relationship work, that is an entirely different matter.

This is my own real world experience.

As far as the kind of high mileage strip clubs, which we don't have here in Santa Clara County, I would say there is no difference. But this is only a theory.

SJG

“... I see a lot of PL's playing boyfriend with these strippers and they take full advantage of bleeding these niggas dry without having to fuck or anything hell in some cases they don't even kiss. All the while these bitches are getting both money and their emo fix. I honestly feel guys should be paid for that, it's the equivalent of giving up the pussy for girls ...”

My 1.5 cents:

• there are guys whom are not TUSCLarly educated and default to civvie hard-wired thinking and treat the dancer as a romantic interest instead of a paid provider and thsu give the dancer everything she wants

• there are guys that like that – like the attention – they are aware it's not real but they enjoy the fantasy of being the dancer's love-interest at least in the club and are willing to pay to be their pretend-BF

It's all about the $$$ as we know; but perhaps dancers also size-up PLs and try to pick the lowest hanging fruits; i.e. guys that they can easily fleece and manipulate with much more ease and less effort – and this may be a factor as to whom a dancer does OTC with.

ITC GFE => OTC GFE 100% of the time, IME

In our low mileage strip clubs, if one can have a long conversation with a dancer and it really goes well, then she is up for an outside relationship. The more time you spend talking with her, just like with GFE, it is not fake, it is real. She is not just trying to use you.

THis is my own actual experience.

Again though, how well that relationship will work, is another matter.

SJG

@ SJG sorry bro wasn't trying to put you on blast. ...

The more time talking, the more intimate ( GFE or talk ), the more you will be able to see for yourself is she is really interested in you, or if she is just looking for someone to milk.

But again, how well the relationship could work is an entirely different matter.

Trust your own feelings about this.

Good Luck!
SJG

@Dougster really? I'd think ITC GFE < OTC any day

If you can pick your girl carefully and GFE audition her, and maybe a first round in the Miami VIP room, and then maybe food in their restaurant so you are both feed, and if you have enough money, and if it is what you really want, I think you could have the mind blowing sexual experience of a life time here. This is certainly what it is intended to facilitate.

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I think it could be just as good as any OTC or civilian sex. But both parties will be deeply effected by this. And your questioning the girl some and finding out about her availability and just what her life is like, as well as your commitment to her to keep seeing her will make a big difference. It will let the both of you really open up to each other.

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But a warning, with the last girl that this happened with me, a civilian, I ended up having to call it off. It was too intense and I had other stuffing going on. So she made me promise, "Never to do anything like this with anyone else." I immediately agreed fully.

SJG

I came real close but the dancer I had been interested in never seemed that interested in me I thought so I was moving on just as she wanted to change things. If I hadn't been a newbie to dealing with dancers I might have picked up on clues like when I stopped by her place telling her I had a job interview in her town. She seemed excited and said if I moved there, she could visit me at my place every day and dance for me. I was like "every day?!" what is she thinking?

People here on TUSCL have been quick to dismiss how civilianizable P4P women can actually be.

I first picked up on it from this:

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But it is absolutely true.

But, this does not mean the relationship will work well or long. Often a woman does p4p as a means of protecting her own feelings and getting a sense of power.

They make this really clear in the movie Leaving Las Vegas, and the book is even better.

So in such a case, a girl may be very attracted to you, but for that very reason she turns on you, to protect her own feelings. Often her adult life has been built on a history of child abuse.

SJG

Yes it does happen but you have to be careful in those waters. Just like there are plenty of needy & clingy PL's, there are also needy & clingy dancers. Add a touch of psychosis and a dab of bi-polar, and you've got the making of a potential OTC nightmare. If a dancer is very GFE ITC, she may want to carry that persona OTC, along with all of the baggage that comes with it. There is alot to be said for PSE ITC that goes OTC. At least you know she's in it solely for the $$$ and there is no Fatal Attraction potential.

:)

I like GFE + PSE, the best of both combined together.

SJG

PSE?

Oh...never mind looked it up

I like the costuming, the high heels and makeup, and the naughty outfits. It makes a huge difference for me.

Usually GFE only goes as far as BBBJ. No TCIM or WS, or facials, and no anal.

But some porno movies are too light on the kissing.

SO I like the best of both, in porno movies and in real life.

Not always easy to attain. I was married to someone who was real weak in much of this. But not always available from civilians or pros.

But now I have a solution which I will be implementing. :)

SJG