Just goes to show

Merced is the 10th and newest of the UC campuses. I've never heard of any trouble there before. This is the first trouble I've heard of at any UC campus since Elliot Rodger at Santa Barbara, back at the time I first joined this forum.

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This is the most I've found about the suspect, "The suspect was a male student,” said James Leonard, a spokesman for the San Joaquin Valley university."

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So instead of five dead bodies a gun would have left, he sent two people to the hospital and barely injured three others.

This post actually supports California's gun policies. Make it hard for wackos to get guns, the casualties are lower.

^^^^^^^^^ I agree with JamesSD.

A guy with a knife, when there are lots of people around, is not hard to disarm.

Actually it was the Guardian Angles who first promoted the idea that there can be safety without armed vigilantes, even when facing guns.

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Admittedly a guy with a gun is worse. But if civilians started shooting at him, or shooting at Elliot Rodger, that would be still worse..

When there are people with guns who decide to pull their weapon and jump in, that's the most dangerous of all.

The Wild Wild West was a bad scene. It would be all the more so with a greater density of persons.

I would not want to be in places with these open or concealed carry laws. Very dangerous.

Well, I do plan to be in such states, but I am going to be very careful. Only reason to go to those states is I'll be spreading a business which will be setting up it's own facilities. So beyond a point, being there won't mean being out in public.

I know that in Colorado getting guns off of their University campus was a big priority.

Don't know why there is so much trouble at colleges, but maybe it is for the same reasons you have it at high schools, negative conformist social environment. Some people, like UCSB's Elliot Rodger just crack. Being away from the sorority girls and instead out in normal society where there is more diversity, he probably would have found his own way and been fine.

Waiting to hear about this UC Merced killer.

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Liberals want "gun control." We already have gun control. I've been waiting three months for my concealed carry permit, which doubles as a permit to buy handguns, and Im still waiting for the background checks to be finished. My only "crime" is paying women for sex while smoking a little weed, and after months I still can't legally buy or carry a handgun. If this isn't gun control what is? Only criminals who don't follow the law can easily buy guns.

We already have gun control. Pushing for more control is just an excuse to seek to make gun ownership illegal. Keep pushing for more controls until as a practical matter guns are controlled out of existence. It's the same strategy that religious zealots pursue to try to eliminate abortions by imposing restrictions on abortion.

Hilda cunt. Gotta remember that one.

I have to side with JamesSD. The issue is maintaining some modicum of safety. Right now the situation is severe.

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The hell with more gun control....why do you guys forget this speech?..Apparently Obama wants the government armed to the teeth...a scary thought

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Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six.

The government is already armed to the teeth. I has always been so.

Maybe they don't send police around armed to the max. But you always have to assume that if you tangle with the government that they will be maximally armed.

It would be a rare situation when you would come out on top in a shoot out.

So if you want to challenge the government it has to be done some other way. Short of a revolution, challenging them with firearms is not going to go anywhere. And people who are serious about a revolution aren't going to let gun control laws discourage them.

Name a gun you want to have, and the government already has something at least as good.

So the issue here is how to create safety, in places like college campuses.

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I don't want to be carried by six, and this is why I want some reasonable steps taken to restore safety.

And most of the time if you do try to use a gun defensively, you will end up being judged by 12. That is a situation no sane person would want to go thru. So carrying a gun around in our generally civilized world is more likely than not going to get you into trouble, than the other way round.

I know some guys get off on the feel of the gun, on the sound, and on the muzzle flash and all. But this doesn't change the situation.

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^^^^ you ignore what was said... a private army as well armed and as well funded as the MILITARY??!!

I watch the video, and also the longer one it was taken from. I'm not sure exactly what the President meant, but I suspect that it relates to President Clinton's idea of Americorp, something like the Peace Corp but at home. I think he is trying to call for service, and that he likes the idea of service, but in a broader context than just in the military.

So as far as a Civilian Security Force and how they would be armed, I believe that in part he is talking about police and firefighters. He wants them to be professional, effective, and equipped as needed, but this does not mean armed the same way as the military.

Also, some types of security are better obtained without using regular military. For example, the US uses Marine Corps as embassy guards. That is not really a good idea. Better with more mature and married men. It is not the same situation is military conflict. Professional security is better at something's than the military is.

So there could be situations where you need more security than local police, but you still don't want regular military.

I'll continue listening to the full speech.

I don't think the President is calling for some new organization. We do have Homeland Security, which needs to be well armed to deal with any terrorist attacks.

Anyway, you can't expect that the government is ever going to let situations develop where they are out gunned or where police could be overwhelmed. That would make no sense.

So unless you are really serious about an armed revolution, in which case gun control laws won't matter, then you have to assume that you can never challenge the government by force of arms.

I'll continue listening to his speech. Also, Colorado Springs has a huge military presence.

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JS69, you should have just bought your gun at a gunshow.

I only like concealed carry when private establishments and public institutions like schools and universities and hospitals have the right to ban them.

Pew pew pew !

I legally carry a concealed pistol. If I am attacked on the street, I will stand my ground. If the attacker is shot, he is not a victim. He is an unsuccessful criminal.

Pew pew pew !

If the attacker is shot, he is not a victim. He is an unsuccessful criminal.

^ Great quote!

I am an avid supporter of the Second Amendment simply because guns in the hands of the civilian populace i.e. the true meaning of the word militia, protects us from socialist rats like those who vote democrat.

Ah. I am much more worried about totalitarian oligarchs and corporate robber barons.

Now getting some info about UC Merced stabbings:

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And yes, his manifesto was in his pocket: nydailynews.com

It does sound to me rather like Elliot Rodger of UC Santa Barbara. A person angry, finding the social environment hostile. Also, a very poorly thought out and impractical plan which would have accomplished nothing.

Is it just like they say about the high school shootings, that they happen in places where there is a mono-culture social environment? Are some of these schools like this?

After Elliot Rodger I met and talked with someone who was a student councilor for CSU Fresno. I told him that if these people were in a more mixed environment, like working part time and going to school part time, so they were with people of different races, income levels and education levels, and in just a more diverse social situation, that these incidents would be avoided.

But they also could be avoided if these schools were more open and inclusive, different sorts of environments.

I don't believe these people are just unavoidable "lone nuts". I think our society breeds lone nuts. For every one of them that goes off, there are thousands of others who are very distraught and suffering greatly. They just never go completely over the edge and do anything really stupid.

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