Just goes to show
Tiredtraveler
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Headline in today's news = 5 Students Stabbed, Suspect Killed on California University Campus:
The socialist state California has the most intrusive laws against guns, ammo, freedom and for surveillance. Yet the wackos will find a way. England is an island and no one but an elite few are allow to own guns and under very limited circumstances but the murder rate is virtually the same as here. Instead of guns people are stabbed and bludgeoned to death in home invasions. If you take away the gang related gun violence in liberal cities like Chicago(where you can't even find a decent club) we are actually much safer here. The rate of home invasions while the residents in the home here is a fraction of England because invaders are afraid they will be met with deadly force no matter the age or infirmity.
There are so many stabbings in England a dumb-ass in Parliament proposed to ban pointed knives for public safety. Kind of like Hillary banning the repatriation of WWII M1 Garands back to the USA (we already own them and loaned to various countries our after WWII) for collectors to buy because they are "ASSAULT WEAPONS" Not!
Not assault weapons for these reasons: 1} They sell for $900 or more each depending on condition, 2} They weigh 11.5 lbs and are 44 inches long. Contrary to what Hilda-cunt says you can't cut the rifle off more than few inches off the stock and none off the muzzle or it will not cycle and is a single shot auto reload only with an internal 8 round magazine that cannot be expanded, 3} I kicks like a mule because it fires a 30-06 round and street pussies want little bullet that have no recoil.
It is a Battle Rifle that was used by Men and Women to defend the rights of societal leaches like the Hilda-Beast that only care about themselves and expanding personal power by crushing the rights of the rest of us. To bad abortion was not legal in her mother's time.;
The socialist state California has the most intrusive laws against guns, ammo, freedom and for surveillance. Yet the wackos will find a way. England is an island and no one but an elite few are allow to own guns and under very limited circumstances but the murder rate is virtually the same as here. Instead of guns people are stabbed and bludgeoned to death in home invasions. If you take away the gang related gun violence in liberal cities like Chicago(where you can't even find a decent club) we are actually much safer here. The rate of home invasions while the residents in the home here is a fraction of England because invaders are afraid they will be met with deadly force no matter the age or infirmity.
There are so many stabbings in England a dumb-ass in Parliament proposed to ban pointed knives for public safety. Kind of like Hillary banning the repatriation of WWII M1 Garands back to the USA (we already own them and loaned to various countries our after WWII) for collectors to buy because they are "ASSAULT WEAPONS" Not!
Not assault weapons for these reasons: 1} They sell for $900 or more each depending on condition, 2} They weigh 11.5 lbs and are 44 inches long. Contrary to what Hilda-cunt says you can't cut the rifle off more than few inches off the stock and none off the muzzle or it will not cycle and is a single shot auto reload only with an internal 8 round magazine that cannot be expanded, 3} I kicks like a mule because it fires a 30-06 round and street pussies want little bullet that have no recoil.
It is a Battle Rifle that was used by Men and Women to defend the rights of societal leaches like the Hilda-Beast that only care about themselves and expanding personal power by crushing the rights of the rest of us. To bad abortion was not legal in her mother's time.;
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/05/us/uni…
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/04/us/univers…
http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Susp…
This is the most I've found about the suspect, "The suspect was a male student,” said James Leonard, a spokesman for the San Joaquin Valley university."
SJG
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFNlFgst…
This post actually supports California's gun policies. Make it hard for wackos to get guns, the casualties are lower.
A guy with a knife, when there are lots of people around, is not hard to disarm.
Actually it was the Guardian Angles who first promoted the idea that there can be safety without armed vigilantes, even when facing guns.
http://www.guardianangels.org/
Admittedly a guy with a gun is worse. But if civilians started shooting at him, or shooting at Elliot Rodger, that would be still worse..
When there are people with guns who decide to pull their weapon and jump in, that's the most dangerous of all.
The Wild Wild West was a bad scene. It would be all the more so with a greater density of persons.
I would not want to be in places with these open or concealed carry laws. Very dangerous.
Well, I do plan to be in such states, but I am going to be very careful. Only reason to go to those states is I'll be spreading a business which will be setting up it's own facilities. So beyond a point, being there won't mean being out in public.
I know that in Colorado getting guns off of their University campus was a big priority.
Don't know why there is so much trouble at colleges, but maybe it is for the same reasons you have it at high schools, negative conformist social environment. Some people, like UCSB's Elliot Rodger just crack. Being away from the sorority girls and instead out in normal society where there is more diversity, he probably would have found his own way and been fine.
Waiting to hear about this UC Merced killer.
http://www.amazon.com/Rampage-Social-Roo…
also, Geoffrey Canada
http://www.amazon.com/Fist-Stick-Knife-G…
SJG
We already have gun control. Pushing for more control is just an excuse to seek to make gun ownership illegal. Keep pushing for more controls until as a practical matter guns are controlled out of existence. It's the same strategy that religious zealots pursue to try to eliminate abortions by imposing restrictions on abortion.
SJG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHf…
Maybe they don't send police around armed to the max. But you always have to assume that if you tangle with the government that they will be maximally armed.
It would be a rare situation when you would come out on top in a shoot out.
So if you want to challenge the government it has to be done some other way. Short of a revolution, challenging them with firearms is not going to go anywhere. And people who are serious about a revolution aren't going to let gun control laws discourage them.
Name a gun you want to have, and the government already has something at least as good.
So the issue here is how to create safety, in places like college campuses.
SJG
And most of the time if you do try to use a gun defensively, you will end up being judged by 12. That is a situation no sane person would want to go thru. So carrying a gun around in our generally civilized world is more likely than not going to get you into trouble, than the other way round.
I know some guys get off on the feel of the gun, on the sound, and on the muzzle flash and all. But this doesn't change the situation.
SJG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipujWRYU…
SJG
So as far as a Civilian Security Force and how they would be armed, I believe that in part he is talking about police and firefighters. He wants them to be professional, effective, and equipped as needed, but this does not mean armed the same way as the military.
Also, some types of security are better obtained without using regular military. For example, the US uses Marine Corps as embassy guards. That is not really a good idea. Better with more mature and married men. It is not the same situation is military conflict. Professional security is better at something's than the military is.
So there could be situations where you need more security than local police, but you still don't want regular military.
I'll continue listening to the full speech.
I don't think the President is calling for some new organization. We do have Homeland Security, which needs to be well armed to deal with any terrorist attacks.
Anyway, you can't expect that the government is ever going to let situations develop where they are out gunned or where police could be overwhelmed. That would make no sense.
So unless you are really serious about an armed revolution, in which case gun control laws won't matter, then you have to assume that you can never challenge the government by force of arms.
I'll continue listening to his speech. Also, Colorado Springs has a huge military presence.
SJG
I only like concealed carry when private establishments and public institutions like schools and universities and hospitals have the right to ban them.
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Great quote!
http://gosporttimes.com/2015/11/09/uc-me…
And yes, his manifesto was in his pocket:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national…
It does sound to me rather like Elliot Rodger of UC Santa Barbara. A person angry, finding the social environment hostile. Also, a very poorly thought out and impractical plan which would have accomplished nothing.
Is it just like they say about the high school shootings, that they happen in places where there is a mono-culture social environment? Are some of these schools like this?
After Elliot Rodger I met and talked with someone who was a student councilor for CSU Fresno. I told him that if these people were in a more mixed environment, like working part time and going to school part time, so they were with people of different races, income levels and education levels, and in just a more diverse social situation, that these incidents would be avoided.
But they also could be avoided if these schools were more open and inclusive, different sorts of environments.
I don't believe these people are just unavoidable "lone nuts". I think our society breeds lone nuts. For every one of them that goes off, there are thousands of others who are very distraught and suffering greatly. They just never go completely over the edge and do anything really stupid.
SJG