NBA, Reality TV Star Lamar Odom Found Unconscious in Nevada Brothel

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motorhead
9 years ago
He got depressed when he got kicked out of the Kardashian family.

You have to be really fucked up when you can't make it in that dysfunctional freak show.
footballguy
9 years ago
Have any of you guys ever gone to a brothel in Las Vegas? I'm just curious how the experience compares to FS in a strip club. On one hand I would think it would be better cause you have your own room (not crammed in a small champagne room) and neither you or the girl would have to worry about LE. You're also probably less likely to get ripped off, it would be easier to openly talk about what specifically you want as well.

On the other hand, unless you go regularly you aren't going to get to know the girl, so it probably feels more mechanical. I would imagine none of them let you kiss them, no DATY, certainly no BBBJ, and some may not even let you suck on their tits.

Has anyone ever gone to one of these? How was your experience compared to FS in a strip club? How did the girls look compared to strippers?

For me OTC with a stripper is the best. I wouldn't go out of my way to go to one of these brothels but just wondered what they are like in case I ever was in the area and had the opportunity.
laplurker
9 years ago
I was in one years ago. Feeding and DATY were allowed. Nothing bareback as Nevada law requires a cover. I went to the Chicken Ranch and the line up of girls was good. However, looking at pictures of some of the other places on the net leaves a lot to be desired. Many of the smaller, out of the way brothels are staffed by the over-the-hill gang. You could do better in Vegas with an escort.
rockstar666
9 years ago
I've never been, but the documentaries I've seen make it look depressing, not to mention VERY expensive. I'd rather rent a room and call an escort, or better yet pick up a civvy at a bar and fuck her BB.
rh48hr
9 years ago
I did once, not worth it. Will not repeat. I'll stick to strippers.
Clackport
9 years ago
prayers for Lamar Odom
Aaron_hip
9 years ago
In one of the news outlets, it says he was using "Herbal Viagra". I don't need to add anything else.
tumblingdice
9 years ago
@Ranukam,"prayers for Lamar Odumb".One day you're on top of the world,next day you're back in the hood.
seaboardrr
9 years ago
"It's a real shock," Hof added. "It's terrible that our business is being disrupted. Here's a guy who just wanted to have a good time and be private, and it's tragic."

And in one sentence you go from having nice publicity about working with 911 to try and help save a customer to being a total jackass.
NinaBambina
9 years ago
I don't trust Hof at all.

And the Kardashians besides Khloe (who might actually be genuinely distressed) will milk this tragic event for exposure and profit like they do with everything.
san_jose_guy
9 years ago
@footballguy,

In response to some accounts related to my by a f2f friend, I started a thread about these same Nevada Houses. Based on what almost everyone says, it is bleak.

Mostly I think the issue is the same everywhere, front room GFE. Can you do what is standard in the TJ Hong Kong Bar, let the girl give a GFE audition? More than anything, this determines the quality of what will happen in the backroom.

In AMPs you cannot usually do anything like this. With Escorts and AAMPs of course you cannot.

In Strip Clubs you should be able to do this, just so long as they are not Deja Vu run clip joints.

In a legal brothel it should be anything goes. So front room GFE should be standard practice.

https://www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=3…

Got some very good response from rl27. He says that in the Dennis Hof places, any front room play is prohibited. This does not surprise me a bit, and that alone is reason enough to NEVER patronize one of his places.

But at the Mustang Ranch, and with their Wild Horse Cabaret? GFE Auditions?

Or like at this little place in Wells, Donna's Ranch?

It is not just a matter of making the girl jump through hoops. It is one of seeing if you and she get along together and can relate to each other, kind of like a first date.

SJG
https://sites.google.com/site/sjgportal/…

Stones, Toronto 1989
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rl27
9 years ago
I used to frequent the Reno Area brothels until all but a few of the rural brothels priced themselves too high, and even some of the rural places wanted very high prices. Don't believe the BS given about always using condoms. About the only thing the counties care about is getting their license fees from the women who work there by the weekly "medical" tests. I doubt there is ever undercover customers checking to see if the women use condoms for oral, so how are they going to know.

At least 40 percent of the times I was in one of the brothels I got a BBBJ, and I never found a single one who didn't do DATY. Now the main two problems are price and looks. Price is because the women split the charges 50/50 with the brothel, and after counting other fees likely get less than 40 percent of what she will charge you.

Because of this, except for the one or two fixed priced brothels, expect to be quoted $400 minimum for an hour. The remaining fixed priced brothels are mostly Nevada's version of Asian massage parlors, complete with table massage, and the requisite fake photos.

Still you can look at some of the brothel web sites to get an idea how the women look. Assume that the photos of the women are edited and out of date. Most of the women in the brothels would be a 5 at most at your typical strip club.

For an idea of the typical women you would find here are a few links. In fact in many of the brothels, these three would be the best you would find there.
http://www.pussycatranch.com/natalie.htm…
http://chickenranchbrothel.com/index.php…
http://chickenranchbrothel.com/index.php…

Here are also a few with photos that are at least ten years out of date. I met the first two women about ten years ago, and both looked exactly like their photos ten years ago, I doubt either look the same now
http://www.sherisranch.com/lady.aspx?id=…
http://www.chickenranchbrothel.com/index…

Phoenix had platinum pussy syndrome back then, wanted $1000 / hour. Latina was quite reasonable at least ten years ago, and I actually had a good time with her. Her photos at the Mustang Ranch site, with lighter hair look to be more recent, but are still at least 5 years old.
TheeOSU
9 years ago
The fact that guys pay big prices to those legal brothel women proves that there are some desperate guys out there with more money than brains. The first 3 links rl27 posted, no way would they get more than SW prices from me if anything at all.

Now the last 2, Destini looked real good back in the day and Latina a couple points lower wasn't bad either. JMO
san_jose_guy
9 years ago
@rl27, as always, we benefit tremendously when you share with us some of your Nevada experience.

I for one would be leery of the Chicken Ranch, because it is run by Deja Vu, and I've seen first hand how they've converted great SF strip clubs into clip joints. They do this by preventing front room physical friendliness, forcing all contact into the back rooms. So the only way to play is to let the girls sell you dances, instead of being able to lead it yourself.

You spoke of fixed price brothels. Yes, that would end up being something similar to an AMP or an AAMP.

Your message focuses on price and the looks of the women. As I see it, you just need to let these things sort themselves out, as there is are bigger issues at stake here. Fix the bigger problems and the others will work themselves out.

1. Needs to be conducive to GFE auditions.

2. Needs to be practical to see girls OTC, completely disconnected from the Brothel.

So to examine these, GFE auditions are what happen when there are no real rules and no real structure to the selection process.

It is like what Dr. F. explains about here at the TJ Hong Kong Bar, his girl by girl account:
https://www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=2…

See, in a strip club there are infinite ways of handing a girl money. One does not even need a reason. So if you hand her some, then she won't feel like she is being toyed with by someone who is just window shopping.

Line ups are no good, as you are rejecting girls. Free form fraternizing is best as this is conducive to GFE auditions. This is how it goes in TJ, and it is how it goes in the most extreme of US strip clubs too. You engage with the girl and you play it the way you want. You keep feeding her money and there is no house cut. Eventually you and she decide that to escalate further you should head to the back room. And then you will give her more money. The result should be sublime, because of the way it was started.

Having it's Wild Horse Cabaret, the Mustang Ranch should be an ideal set up for this. Does it actually work this way?

The for the second issue, it is important that the girls not actually reside there. There have to be ways of seeing them with no connection to the house and no money going to it.

SJG
https://sites.google.com/site/sjgportal/…
rl27
9 years ago
When did Deja Vu start running the Chicken Ranch, that might explain a lot of the quality loss at the CR. Back when I used to visit the CR, many of the better looking gals, i.e. 8 and 9 in looks range, also worked at the Olympic Garden and Spearmint Rhino, and most charged no more than the average looking gals who worked there at the time.

As for OTC you can see the women outside the brothels, at least in the Reno Area. Vegas is a different matter, and I don't think the county allows this. In Reno and most areas as long as the money transaction occurs in the brothel, you and the gal are free to leave the brothel, and have sex where you want, as long as you don't leave the state of Nevada. Problem with this is currently you can expect to pay $2000 or more for the "privilege".

Not sure how it is now, but my last visit to The Wild Horse and Mustang Ranch, the Cabaret was a hang out bar for locals during the week. They tried to make it a Strip Club for a while, but didn't have much luck. Regardless, some, but not all the women would hang out in the bar, which is where I first met every women I had a session with at either the Mustang or the Wild Horse when it was a separate brothel. Weekends, depending on the time of the year, was a bit more crowded. Some but not all the women would hang out in the Wild Horse.

Unlike the Dennis Hof places, at the Mustang there can be some fraternizing in the bar. I even had a few under the table "hooker handshakes," there. You won't be able to feed the woman money though due to current regulations, and any sexual negotiations has to occur behind closed doors. The last time I was there, you couldn't even buy the woman food or a drink.

Once you decided to "party," with the gal, which is the brothel industries stupid name for a sexual encounter, you negotiate in a separate tiny room, instead of the woman's bedroom. The room has a small couch and a small chair. The owners of the Mustang seem to understand better than other owners that a guy with a hardon, while a pretty woman is sitting on his lap while about all the sexual things you can be doing in a few minutes, will likely spend more than he normally would, and negotiations are generally more intimate in this room than at other brothels.

Problem is that my last few visits was that too many of the women working there all had platinum pussy syndrome. The ones who didn't I wouldn't pay $100 for a blowjob, let alone $300 to $400.
san_jose_guy
9 years ago
http://dejavu.com/locations/

Look under Nevada. It has been for some years now. Deja Vu call themselves management consultants. Basically they are a think tank. They have analyzed the psychodynamics of strip clubs and figured out how to squeeze out the most money, while at the same time lowering the chances that they will be the ones busted.

So what this meant in San Francisco is that they stopped all front room touching. So instead of girls climbing on you and giving you a GFE sample, and also asking for tips. You get them saying, "wanna dance". If you accept, then she will perform a service upon you, in the booth. This is far more structured than if you and she are just going at each other in the front room. It is 'extras'. It sucks.

How this would play out in a legal brothel I do not know. But probably they ruin the front room action, and this completely degrades the backroom session. True?

"As for OTC you can see the women outside the brothels, at least in the Reno Area. Vegas is a different matter,"

Okay, these shop owners have no say over what their female employees do when not on their grounds.

Second, Las Vegas is in Clark County, and that county has never allowed legal brothels. The closest ones are the two in Nye County, Pahrump.

That is interesting that some of the Chicken Ranch girls also worked at Olympic Garden and Spearmint Rhino.

But when I say see the girl OTC, I mean see her outside of the club and with no money going to the club. I mean it is just between you and she. So this means that she cannot be living at a legal brothel. There have to be shifts, and when a girl's shift is over she goes home someplace else, and she does whatever she wants and with whoever she wants.

As far as being authorized to have sex anywhere in Nevada, that is just being silly. No one needs any such authorization. Seeing a girl outside, means outside. It is just between you and she. The brothel is not involved, and neither is the state of Nevada.

As far as why some girls don't hang out in the strip club section, that is very easy to understand. Just look at their pictures. They look lovely. But they are bedroom girls, not pole dancers. They've got too much stuffings for the strip club. Just need to get over it.

Okay, well you have indeed answered my question about the Wild Horse Cabaret at the Mustang Ranch. It is a joke.

Free form fraternizing doesn't mean hooker hand shakes under the table. It means what Dr. F. describes in his girl by girl account of the TJ Hong Kong Bar, GFE auditions:

Dr F.'s Girl by Girl Account:
https://www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=2…

See, you get to know her some in the front room. And yes you do give her some money to show that you are not just pulling her chain or trying to get a free makeout session. Get friendly in the front room first, before going to any back room to 'party'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XARgc5Um…

But it is not just Mexico, it is anywhere. No front room make out session, no reason to go to any booths or back rooms.

Jestrite 50, The Master
https://www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=3…

So you have answered my question about the big Nevada houses. Of course Dennis Hof's are a joke, and of course the Deja Vu Chicken Ranch is a joke. But also it seems that the Mustang Ranch, with it's Wild Horse Cabaret, and right by Tesla Motors, is also a joke.

Thank you for sharing your extensive Nevada experience. We all are benefiting from it.

How about the small Nevada brothels, are these free from places there where you can treat a girl just like you can in a strip club, like TJ's Hong Kong bar? Good GFE auditions?

SJG
https://sites.google.com/site/sjgportal/…

Doyle Bramhall II
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8pc9sbq…
rl27
9 years ago
"Second, Las Vegas is in Clark County, and that county has never allowed legal brothels. The closest ones are the two in Nye County, Pahrump." I understand this, and I meant Vegas area brothels. However that doesn't mean that Vegas doesn't have an influence on what happens in the brothels and hour or two drive away. The casino's want to keep you in the casinos, and don't want you spending $500 or more to fuck a brothel hooker in Pahrump, when you can be spending money in the casino.

Casinos understand a lot of customers go there to fool around, which is why many if not most tolerate escorts who work in the casino, aka Casino Girls, who charge less than the legal brothels. The casino girls understand this, which is why you'll see many of them slowly feeding money into the slots or spending money in the bar while looking for customers. This is an underhanded way to give an untraceable kick back to the casino's who let them work there.

"Okay, these shop owners have no say over what their female employees do when not on their grounds."
I understand that, but the main difference between the Reno area and Vegas area brothels, is the Reno area brothels are not locked down. Vegas area brothels are lock down.

And from a Wiki Site:
In 2009, an article in the Guardian stated that some brothels "impose some extraordinary restrictions on commercial sex workers" in order to "separate sex workers from the local community": some places forbid prostitutes to leave the brothels for extended periods of time, while other jurisdictions require the prostitutes to leave the county when they are not working; some places do not allow the children of the women who work in the brothels to live in the same area; some brothel workers who have cars must register the vehicle with the local police, and workers are not permitted to leave the brothel after 5pm; in some counties registered sex workers are not allowed to have cars at all.

Nye is one of those counties. However, that said, many of the women have ways to work around this, and since Vegas is a separate county many work there, when not at the Brothel. Take your comment, "That is interesting that some of the Chicken Ranch girls also worked at Olympic Garden and Spearmint Rhino."

Every one of the dancers who worked at the Chicken Ranch mentioned to come and see her at the club, usually while in the sexual act, and she would give me a good discount. Usually she would ask something like, "will you still be in town this weekend?" If I said yes, then she would mention her two weeks were up and she would be working at the Vegas club this weekend and why don't I come and see her.

This was her way of working around the rules. The Vegas area brothels wouldn't let you bring cell phones, and were pretty good at noticing if you had one, and the women weren't allowed to keep cell phones or computers in their rooms while working, although a few were good at hiding them.

While nothing much happened in the club, every single time I saw one at the club I either got her phone number or business cards from most when I visited her in the club. Often this was to let me know when they were working, but a few time it was for her to make some money by seeing me on the side.

The counties where the Reno area ranches are didn't care as much, and many of the women gave me their business cards or phone numbers while I was at the ranch, although most just entered their numbers in my cell phone.
san_jose_guy
9 years ago
Well thank you for sharing all of that.

Of course I would not want to be involved with this lock down system or any facet of it.

I had read that the legal brothels are having a real hard time, due to competition from strip clubs and independents.

And also, if the girl is at the brothel for two weeks, that is because that is the sweet time of her lunar cycle. So if you can't see her independently for that much time, much is being lost.

So the Pahrump places practice lock down, but some of the girls also work in the Vegas Strip Clubs.

Having to register their cars with the police is an intolerable outrage.

You say it is not as tough in the Reno area brothels. But it still does not sound very good. Sounds like the strip clubs are better, and maybe with the Casino Girls too.

How about the smaller brothels, outside of Reno and Vegas, and I guess outside of all of Nye County too. Can you engage in front room GFE auditions, and then after one session set up OTC with the girls, completely independent of the brothel and any other regulations?

You ever visit N. Las Vegas Chicas Bonitas, Las Vegas Talk of the Town, Club Platinum, or Girls of Glitter Gulch?

Thanks for sharing your experience.

SJG
https://sites.google.com/site/sjgportal/…
warhawks
9 years ago

Anybody else get the feeling that this story was way overblown/promotion and is just another way for the Kardashians and the people who prop them up in the media to get more exposure/money?

Because now it's being reported he is up and walking around... Certainly not on deaths doorstep as was being reported at first...

Or am I just being cynical?
Dougster
9 years ago
Mustang Ranch was pretty good 2 and 3 years back, but when I went last year it had gone to shit. Prices were way down but so was girl quality. Didn't checkout the situation at the Love Ranch or MBR last year.
jester214
9 years ago
Dugly you claim you can't afford to donate to charity but you'll try and convince us you're paying for overpriced legal pussy? Give up the charade bud.
san_jose_guy
9 years ago
Dougster, The question I raised about these places is front room GFE auditions. Can you engage in unstructured front room fraternizing. Sounds like Dennis Hof prohibits any such thing. So that alone is enough to boycott his places forever. But the Mustang Ranch should be good because they have their own strip club, this Wild Horse Cabaret. But reading rl27, it sounds like no.

So then the question remaining is of the smaller Nevada Brothels, outside the Reno area and outside of Nye County.

Original thread where I introduced this issue as it pertains to the Nevada Brothels:
https://www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=3…

SJG
https://sites.google.com/site/sjgportal/…

B. B. King
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