Never Pay in Advance
jackslash
Detroit strip clubs
The best advice I ever received on TUSCL was, "Never pay in advance." Here is a perfect illustration from a recent review of the Penthouse Club in Detroit"
"There were about 15 dances working, which was pleasant surprise considering it was Monday. I saw one 9, two or three 8, and others were maybe 6 - 7. I got a private dance from a blonde girl (9) right before the place closes. She said $25 per song, but settled for $40 for two songs. When we went to private area, she asked me to pay her in advance, which I did. It was not a smart idea. In the middle of the first song, the place stopped the music for closing and she stopped dancing as well and kept the money."
I trust that no one at the TUSCL meet at the Penthouse next week will be this naive.
"There were about 15 dances working, which was pleasant surprise considering it was Monday. I saw one 9, two or three 8, and others were maybe 6 - 7. I got a private dance from a blonde girl (9) right before the place closes. She said $25 per song, but settled for $40 for two songs. When we went to private area, she asked me to pay her in advance, which I did. It was not a smart idea. In the middle of the first song, the place stopped the music for closing and she stopped dancing as well and kept the money."
I trust that no one at the TUSCL meet at the Penthouse next week will be this naive.
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i have no choice but to pay in advance because the vast majority of clubs i've been to operate that way
The good thing about Penthouse is there's not a lot of oversight. That's how you can end up getting FS from a blonde 9 with DDs there for the right price, which would be unthinkable at most other places.
That good thing, the lack of oversight, can also be a bad thing, though, and the right ROB can take advantage.
I get the impression the upstairs bouncer basically just kind of has to keep mental notes on which rooms are occupied and which ones aren't so he can give you a room if you want "dances" (I still laugh). If you asked him to pursue an payment dispute, especially when you negotiated a different dance price with the girl, I bet he'd laugh and say, "As long as she covers the cost of the room per dance, prices for stuff here are between you and her."
Honestly, I think you should avoid the last 45 minutes of the night at Penthouse. I've never had a good experience there, or at Flight Club, that late. I think the worthwhile women have already made their money by that time and might have already left.
I think there are two different approaches one can take at Penthouse, too: The first, which I know a lot of you believe in, is to negotiate services & costs up front. You probably get the best value that way because you're in position to make a "take what I'm offering, or take nothing and I walk away" offer. You can land in this guy's situation if you do that, though. Also, just because a woman LOOKS like one you want to take upstairs, doesn't mean she will be anything but mechanical once you get there. But when you've already promised $X, it's difficult to renegotiate once she performs the service.
The other approach is to say "I'll just start with dances" and see where things go. Granted, once she's got you in the room and she knows the blood is in the wrong head, she can probably ask for a lot more money and know you'll probably give in if you decide you want more. But, at least then you'll have figured out she good at what she does by that point and that you do really want more. This has worked better for me.
The big thing at either place: If any red flag goes up with the girl you're doing business with, walk away, because you're probably not going to get a lot of bouncer help if she takes your wallet, overcharges you for negotiated services, etc. There are other options.
Make sure you know what time it is
feel more comfortable in clubs who make guys pay first. It's a pity that not US clubs are like that, imo. Oh, well. I have to oblige. Although I always make Indians, Arabs, hoodrats, drunks and dudes with poor English pay upfront, idgaf.
Most of us have heard that it only takes once for a dancer to get stiffed before she demands pre payment. I have to wonder just how prevalent getting stiffed is.
I can understand dancers being weary after they get burned – in case they insist the best I'll do is tell them I'll pay them after each song instead of at the end of a string of dances.
If doing a VIP and they are weary about payment I'll show them I have the $$$ to put them somewhat at ease but will not prepay.
Some of us live in areas of the country where these are the only options and while we tend not to get ripped off, we also tend to not have as much fun.
You asked, speaking of dancers,
I have to wonder just how prevalent getting stiffed is.
I would say less with money than dick.