recently got into discussion with one of my ATFs about extras. she stated that she did not offer FS either ITC or OTC because "she wasn't a hooker". this is from a woman who has allowed me to suck her tits, kiss butt, finger her pussy, lick her split and has even given me a HJ in the VIP. all for money, so what' the difference between this and being a prostitute?? the only thing we have not done is BJ or FS
I'll tell you how I look at it(and I'm sure I'll be chastised by other forum members). When you pay for the VIP/Champagne room, what the girl does in that time is @ her discretion. You may get just an extended lap dance. You may get to do some other things(HJ, kissing, DATY). You may get FS. But that's up to her.
If a stripper propositions me and directly mentions sex in the Champagne room, she's a prostitute. If I take a woman who HASN'T mentioned sex to the Champagne room and we end up doing something sexual WITH NO ADDITIONAL FEE, then I just consider her sexually adventurous. LOL
There is no fundamental difference between strippers and whores. Both are selling sexual services for money. It's just a matter of degree. At the very least, 99.99% will grind on your cock until you cum if you give them a $20. Most will do more.
Strippers pretty much are the bottom of the social pyramind, and, as such, have a strong desire to look down on other. Hence they go into denial and consider themselves "not whores". They rationalization are crazy. Maybe they "only" give BJs but not FS, so that is why they are not whores. Even amongst the ones who do FS you will find that they consider themselves "not whores" because they aren't out doing it on the street, i.e. their traffic is somewhat lower.
Never dream that is any logic backing what a stripper tells you. Never trying and understand why they can think the stupid things they do. Just accept that they are stupid whores and quietly nod.
I agree w/potheadpl, it is all a matter of perception. Women have been trading sex for favors for all of mankind. It is considered prostitution if money is the favor. To me, it is sex and entertainment between consenting adults.
Dougster, you continue to show your lack of intelligence and boorishness. Yes the dollar is up, but it is still down significantly from the 80.25 level you said buy last year. Even after your inaccurate call, you recommended buying more. Adding to a losing position is what losers do. And you are a loser. You really need to STFU until you have something of merit to offer.
On the subject of the thread, I tend to agree with Dougster. They are what they are, and dening doesn't change the basic fact. Now, some may object to the word "whore" as having negative connotations than "hooker" or "prostitute" have, but it's still technically correct.
Personally, I don't have a problem with any of those words, since I don't have a problem with the acts they define; I'm not that big a hypocrit. :)
Strippers resent being compared to prostitutes but I just dismiss it as SS. ATS on SW those gals would have you believe all they do is give dances, a sort of denial mentality. In reality, many of them lead a double life with their s/o's, friends, and family. Their denial is like a job search liar believing all the lies on his resume. But then again part of a good lie system is being able to deliver it efficiently. With all the lies they tell customers whats a few more to friends and family?
If I am looking for extras, I ask the gal if she likes to play. If she does then I find out what service / price before I take her to VIP. Negotiate the deal before you take her to CR or VIP.
10 inches, do you have another ATF or at least another girl in the club that will do ITC or OTC?
For sake of the discussion, lets say that you do. Start spending your cash on on the girls that are more accommodating, make sure the one that "isn't a prostitute" KNOWS why she isn't getting the money and how much she's loosing. That just may change her mind. Make her feel special and tell her you'd like to SHARE some of your money with her, if she's will to SHARE with you.
I will say this, prostitute is such an ugly word to some people, but I'll be the first to admit if a reasonably attractive woman offered to share money with me I'd seriously consider sharing sex with her...Duh...
Interesting discussion. Does it really matter what the asnwer is? Or does it ruin your fantasy--or ruin your reality? Any response to this twist on the question?
She probably considers her giving you oral sex and/or FS to be her definition of "sex". She doesn't do those things in the club, so she doesn't have "sex" for money, hence she's not a prostitute (in her eyes). I don't see anything wrong with her logic or with your logic. Everyone's definitions are different. Bill Clinton didn't have "relations" but he did get a blow job :)
That depends on the prostitute, shadowcat. I'm sure a lot of really high priced escorts can afford to be picky in what they do and with whom they do it.
To echo the consensus of the board, all women are prostitutes and all men are johns.
How is giving a woman a lobster dinner, a bottle of champagne, and tickets to some stupid movie starring Julia Roberts in the hopes of having sex with her any different, in any real sense, from simply paying $100 for 100% guaranteed sex?
Prostitution is banned due to women, and throughout the Americas and Europe was banned only starting in the 19th and 20th centuries due to the activism of early women's groups, like the beloved Women's Christian Temperance Union, which sought to rid all elements of joy from everyone's lives. Specifically, it is banned by women who use sex to coerce men into providing them with a full time, lavish lifestyle and children.
Making the sale of sex illegal gives them a monopoly, which lets them set an astronomical price for bumping uglies, namely being in a full, long term relationship, providing for her material needs, acting as her psychologist, fathering her children, relinquishing all of your free time and independence, and not waking up every morning wishing for sweet, merciful death.
It's all supply and demand, and in this case pussy obeys the same laws as steel, peanut butter, and iPods.
Whatever, lopaw. What can we conclude about you from your crazed, fictional statistical lies about men. We all know you went lesbo b.c. no sane man would give you any dick.
It's not meant to be bitter, just analytical with some humor to keep it from being dull. I guess economics isn't light hearted dinner conversation for a reason.
Your tirade may be many things, but humorous it ain't. To unfairly throw all women (and men for that matter) into some extreme stereotypes is far from analytical nor funny.
Perhaps you were aiming for levity, but it sure doesn't come across that way.
Hey Snake, have you been hanging with DickJohnson lately? If not, no apologies are needed. Your post is like many we have seen, and many, many have experienced, so thanks for you viewpoint.
No apology needed Snake, you just state the reality of the situation. Women contantly prostitute themselves. There are a lot of trophy wives that married for the love of money/lifestyle instead of the love of their mate.
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If a stripper propositions me and directly mentions sex in the Champagne room, she's a prostitute. If I take a woman who HASN'T mentioned sex to the Champagne room and we end up doing something sexual WITH NO ADDITIONAL FEE, then I just consider her sexually adventurous. LOL
Strippers pretty much are the bottom of the social pyramind, and, as such, have a strong desire to look down on other. Hence they go into denial and consider themselves "not whores". They rationalization are crazy. Maybe they "only" give BJs but not FS, so that is why they are not whores. Even amongst the ones who do FS you will find that they consider themselves "not whores" because they aren't out doing it on the street, i.e. their traffic is somewhat lower.
Never dream that is any logic backing what a stripper tells you. Never trying and understand why they can think the stupid things they do. Just accept that they are stupid whores and quietly nod.
DXY then: 80.25, now 78.4
TBT then: around 57, now around 47
Which is down more, moron? What is the trend on each now, loser?
Which would you recommend at this point: TBT or DXY?
IDIOT TX LOSES AGAIN!
PLUS, NAMECALLING IS NEVER NICE - SHOWS A LACK OF CLASS
Personally, I don't have a problem with any of those words, since I don't have a problem with the acts they define; I'm not that big a hypocrit. :)
"Madame, we have long since established what you are, we are now negotiating price."
If I am looking for extras, I ask the gal if she likes to play. If she does then I find out what service / price before I take her to VIP. Negotiate the deal before you take her to CR or VIP.
For sake of the discussion, lets say that you do. Start spending your cash on on the girls that are more accommodating, make sure the one that "isn't a prostitute" KNOWS why she isn't getting the money and how much she's loosing. That just may change her mind. Make her feel special and tell her you'd like to SHARE some of your money with her, if she's will to SHARE with you.
I will say this, prostitute is such an ugly word to some people, but I'll be the first to admit if a reasonably attractive woman offered to share money with me I'd seriously consider sharing sex with her...Duh...
To echo the consensus of the board, all women are prostitutes and all men are johns.
How is giving a woman a lobster dinner, a bottle of champagne, and tickets to some stupid movie starring Julia Roberts in the hopes of having sex with her any different, in any real sense, from simply paying $100 for 100% guaranteed sex?
Prostitution is banned due to women, and throughout the Americas and Europe was banned only starting in the 19th and 20th centuries due to the activism of early women's groups, like the beloved Women's Christian Temperance Union, which sought to rid all elements of joy from everyone's lives. Specifically, it is banned by women who use sex to coerce men into providing them with a full time, lavish lifestyle and children.
Making the sale of sex illegal gives them a monopoly, which lets them set an astronomical price for bumping uglies, namely being in a full, long term relationship, providing for her material needs, acting as her psychologist, fathering her children, relinquishing all of your free time and independence, and not waking up every morning wishing for sweet, merciful death.
It's all supply and demand, and in this case pussy obeys the same laws as steel, peanut butter, and iPods.
Perhaps you were aiming for levity, but it sure doesn't come across that way.
To the entire readership of this board, my sincere apologies.