Comments by saer (page 4)

I work at a large university in the Midwest. Sometimes I take a break and go wander around campus during a class change just to enjoy the scenery, so to speak. You literally can't go to a bar or gym around here without coming across hoards of 20 year old college girls. Unfortunately, being faculty it'd be a waaayyyy bad idea for me to try anything with any of them. Oh well.

This is a generalization, I admit, but I tend to think those that are willing to limit the speech of others (political or otherwise) or call blatant theft "political speech" simply because it's a national symbol are more in love with the nation itself, rather than the ideas behind it. That's not patriotism - it's nationalism - very popular with fascists.

I want to say thanks to everyone for your comments. A lot of them are mutually exclusive, but I appreciate them nonetheless. I think a lot of you are right - in order to be sure, I have to quit going to the club. Fortunately, she's not the only reason I go and I have fun while I'm there so perhaps it isn't super important to me that I know how she feels for real. Insofar as the Friend Zone goes, when I was younger I was God Emperor of the Friend Zone. After a few long and painful experiences, I wizened up and I don't do that any more. My ATF and I are both in relationships (so the sex issue is complicated for both of us), but when I met her I told her I want to fuck her brains out and I remind her periodically under no uncertain terms, the last of which was only a couple of days ago. I *think* that keeps me out of the Friend Zone. Shortly after that, I was sitting with my second favorite, and my ATF came over. I told her "get in there and give it to her". A few moments later, I was working her G-spot and kissing/biting her all over while she made out with another dancer, on the main floor, in my lap, for free. Is that a Friend Zone thing?

Oops, I meant P4P.

I'm sorry - what does DS stand for? I don't see it in the Glossary. My reasoning for thinking she doesn't have sex with people she goes OTC with is that she brags about how she gets people to give her things without having to have sex with them. She's told me "eventually they realize they're not going to get sex from me and they get mad and stop coming around, but oh well there's always another one". It's worth nothing that this is the Midwest, in a town where P2P is difficult to find, even with escorts. But, yeah, I wouldn't rule it out.

My ATF is both a submissive and a masochist - I think her definition of a “dominant” person is someone that will take control of her and hurt her in a way she finds sexually stimulating. So, I agree that at least some strippers equate dominance with abuse. For instance, she was sitting with me last night and a waitress came over to ask if I wanted another drink. Before I could answer, my ATF said “he’ll buy me another drink”. So, I slapped her in the face and said “quit being a greedy bitch”. She slapped me back and told me to fuck off, so I slapped her again (harder) and said “you aren’t getting a drink”. Then she bit me on the chest so hard it left a sizable bruise. I grabbed her by the hair and pulled her onto my lap, took off her top, and bit her on the throat until she apologized. Then I bought her a drink. Anyway, I enjoy this because she likes it and it’s a little dangerous (bouncers). But, I don’t consider it dominance - it’s just consensual abuse.

When I'm at an SC, I don't spend a lot of time sitting around wondering if other dudes are dominant or submissive. When it comes to dancers & being dominant, my feeling is that the vast majority of them talk the talk but don't (necessarily) walk the walk. I have the impression (right or wrong) that most women, including dancers, are more submissive than otherwise. Then again, my ATF is into the whole BDSM thing, where the terms "dominant" and "submissive" take on slightly different meanings...

My experience with clubs is limited to the Indianapolis, Louisville, Houston, Denver, Atlanta, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Sacramento, Orange County, Chicago, Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal, Berlin, Leipzig, and Frankfurt areas. I'll go get more experience before I ask any more questions.