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3 years ago
New York governor Andrew Cuomo last September calling for an independent review of the safety of the vaccine:
“Frankly, I’m not going to trust the federal government’s opinion [on the vaccine] and I wouldn’t recommend to New Yorkers based on the federal government’s opinion.”
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3 years ago
The Olive Garden of strip clubs. Clean. Safe. Decent value. Nothing memorable.
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3 years ago
Here is Governor Cuomo’s plan for dealing with CoVid. Beyond, you know, bringing death to Nursing Homes.
“We have to get in those communities, and we have to knock on those doors, and we have to convince people, and put them in a car, and drive them, and get that vaccine in their arm,” he declared, sounding increasingly more threatening as he continued on with this alarming yarn.
“That is the mission,” he concluded.
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3 years ago
Weird. There is an intense need on the left to believe in their superior moral standing and intellect. To do that, they create stories then fantasize themselves as the hero. Mark blames Obama for Apollo 1 fire. Mark thinks BLM is behind everything. Therefore, based on these made up stories, Trump supporters are crazy. Who is being delusional ?
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3 years ago
And, going back to Jan 6…,.
Remember the right wing plot to kidnap Governor Witmer in Michigan ? We now know that of the 18 people involved, 12 were either undercover FBI agents or paid informants of the FBI. It was all a false flag operation by the Intel community.
We also know the FBI was involved in organizing the Jan 6 incident. A bunch of unarmed people wandering through Congress, after being waved in by guards, is not an insurrection or putsch. The only person killed that day was an unarmed protester who was executed by a BLM supporter who works on the Capitol police force.
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3 years ago
No, I’m not comparing the Reichstad fire to masks. I’m comparing it locking down the entire world for over a year. That’s something that not even the Third Reich tried. Seven Billion people prevented from working, worshiping, or socializing for over a year. A few years ago, a movie speculating about that could genuinely be called delusional. Now, it’s part of history.
You claimed I made delusional assertions. From your examples, I think you are actually quibbling over context. That’s a far cry from delusions.
Was Sweden a relative success or failure ? Should vaccines be evaluated for more than a few months before being used by the world ? Asking those questions is not delusional.
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3 years ago
25. Here’s a little history for you.
The Reichstag Fire Decree was issued following the arson of the Reichstag ( likely set by Hitler supporters). The decree declared an emergency and suspended many civil rights, giving the German government extraordinary powers. Within months, the decree was used to justify putting Nazis in positions of power and suspending the constitution. Hitler had complete power and questioning him was a death sentence to any German.
I’m curious. Do you see any parallels to current events ? Do you still want the government to quash disinformation and isolate those who refuse its mandates ?
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3 years ago
“And the delusional assertions of Mark.
I’d buy their bullshit about vaccines if they were to say something like “I’ll go get the shot as soon as it receives full FDA approval”. But you know they won’t say that because they are emotionally invested in the position that covid is nothing at all.”
Well, I did get the vaccine. In March. Obviously, I never said “ CoVid is nothing at all”. It’s a very real risk to the old and chronically ill. It’s just not much of a risk to the young and healthy. Fact.
Go back through this thread and give me an example of a delusional assertion I made.
I’ll wait.
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3 years ago
If the CDC and NIH had said “ we’re learning about this as we go along”, I’d have a lot more faith in them. From the git-go, Fauci exuded arrogance and elitism. He was smug and self assured. He talked down to us. He talked out of both sides of his mouth, changed his recommendations, but denied any inconsistency on his part.
At this point, if Fauci told me the sun was going to rise in the East tomorrow, I’d doubt it.
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3 years ago
the CDC has recently released a Lab Alert notifying healthcare providers they are withdrawing their emergency use request of the SARS-COV-2 rapid response diagnostic; and informing test centers to adopt new, modified, COVID testing that does not conflate influenza (the flu) with positive results for COVID-19.
It seems the tests being used generated false positives for CoVid. That explains why CoVid cases jumped while traditional flu cases dropped to zero.
Trust the data, trust the science, we are told.
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3 years ago
Labels are a crutch for the weak mind. If you don’t have a rational response to a strong argument, label it. It’s a “conspiracy theory”. It’s a “ Republican talking point”. It’s a “ straw man”.
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3 years ago
25 tells us that the government must stop the spread of misinformation. He says that people who don’t follow the governments advice should be refused medical treatment. They should also be quarantined. Isolated from the rest of society.
He lives in South Florida. Maybe he should talk to do some Cuban refugees about what happens when the government is given that kind of power.
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3 years ago
You don’t need to wear masks. We’re the experts. Trust us.
You need to stay home for two weeks. That will fix things. We’re the experts. Trust us.
This all started with Bat Soup somewhere. It definitely didn’t come out of a lab in China. We’re the experts. Trust us.
Just another month more. We’re the experts. Trust us.
Come to think of it, masks are essential. Starting today, you must wear them even if it’s just and old bandana. We’re the experts. Trust us.
Okay, just one more year of isolation. No school. No work. No church. We’re the experts. Trust us.
All those BLM protests are fine. No risk of spreading the virus. We’re the experts. Trust us.
Good news. We’ve got a vaccine. Most of you won’t be able to take it for a few months. We have decided who gets it first. We’re the experts. Trust us.
Okay, now we have enough vaccine, so you all need to take it. We’re the experts. Trust us.
Come to think of it, I guess the virus DID come out of a lab in China. And, yes, the US government was funding research in that lab. But, only the good kind of research, not the evil type. Totally separate. We’re the experts. Trust us.
By the way, anyone who questions what we are saying is denying science.
Trust us.
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3 years ago
Ishmael. I got the shot. You got the shot. Millions of people CHOSE to get the shot. That’s a good thing. No one is arguing that people should be prevented from taking the shot.
It’s the governments job to disclose all the research and encourage us to get vaccinated. Anything beyond that, like forcing people to get medical treatment, is very dangerous territory.
If the testing data isn’t good enough that most people will choose the shot, the government needs to do a better job of communicating and perhaps more testing.
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3 years ago
When fascism arrives, it won’t kick in your door, it will declare it is doing what is needed to help the public. That’s the way it has always arrived. The door kicking comes later in the process. By then, it’s too late.
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3 years ago
Me: People should not be forced to be vaccinated
You: why are you against anyone getting vaccinated ?
Me: I just think people should have the choice
You: why are you saying vaccines don’t work ?
Me: I’m just saying, people should have a choice
You: why are you denying CoVid is risky ?
Me: people should have a choice
you: why don’t you accept science ?
Me: Choice
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3 years ago
Going to a club used to be a bigger deal. Naughty. Mysterious. Secret. We were more appreciative of the limited contact we got.
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3 years ago
That’s not “fascism”.
I was referring to censorship of views that contradict the government. Big Tech and government working together to determine what speech is allowed.
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3 years ago
“I’m starting to see where a little authoritarianism might be warranted.”
Holy shit. You and I both lost ancestors in the German camps. Do you really believe a little authoritarianism is warranted ? That path does not end well.
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3 years ago
“Getting the vaccine is a no brainer, like wearing a seatbelt or motorcycle helmet, only more so because in can effect others, not just the fool who refuses.”
In many communities, the same logic is used to shut down strip clubs. For the public good and to stop the spread of disease.
The same logic can be stretched to ban almost anything that those in power don’t like. For example, censor social media to prevent any view that questions the government experts on CoVid.
That’s the very definition of fascism.
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3 years ago
25, cognitive dissonance:
“ I don’t want any control over you”
“ order anyone who isn’t vaccinated into quarantine”
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3 years ago
“ enacting pandemic mitigation”
So, anything is justified in the name of pandemic mitigation ? In Wuhan, people were locked in their apartments without food, causing unknown deaths by starvation. Just pandemic mitigation. Perfectly acceptable. The greater good was being served.
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3 years ago
Yes, I support gay marriage and trans rights. I am also inclined to support abortion in the first trimester.
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3 years ago
How does someone who supports personal health choice become a CoVid denier or anti-science ? All we are saying is give people a choice. Trust them to make the right choice for themselves and their families.
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3 years ago
It’s not about safety. It’s about compliance and control. Your betters in the government have told you what to do. Now, shut up and do what they say.