What are things a dancer does that gets you to label her a ROB, or rip off bitch, in a review?
Here is a starter list:
- Agrees to services up front and then does not deliver in the private dance/VIP areas. This could be extras or something as simple as her saying you can touch her in private, then will renege or demand an upcharge once the session begins.
- Overcounts songs in post-pay situations. For example, you do four songs and she says it was six songs.
- Undercounts songs in pre-pay situations. Similarly, you may prepay for a thirty minute VIP and then she stops at twenty minutes and says it has been thirty minutes.
- She wants to be pre-paid in a club where post-pay is standard procedure.
- She charges more than the posted rate for private dances and does not bother to tell you this beforehand, but after you have finished. She may say, "Dances are $25 per song, but I charge $35 per song."
- She puts extremely low effort into the private dances or VIP. She tries to make it "paid conversation time" instead of giving lap dances.
What other tactics would you add to the list?
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Eh, 1-3 I consider solid ROB behavior.
#4 and #5 is just having her own MO that a customer is free to accept or walk from. (I would hold a similar opinion of a customer who walks into a club looking for outside the club activities rather than just getting an escort.)
#6 is the experience some customers actually want. If that’s not wanted, I would probably just nicely communicate something ahead of time lightly like “I’m not much of a talker. Why don’t we just start off…”
I would say you covered all the things that make a dancer a ROB. In the most general sense a ROB is a dancer who makes either explicit or implicit promises of things to happen between you and her in exchange for money and than intentionally doesn't deliver, or severely underdelivers.
"Does not deliver what she promised." That's it.
🦕 '📱: #phone numbers is something to watch out for, she may or may not follow through after she gives it to you, some guys think she will automatically perform otc, & talk straight up when you call. She might offer it an exchange to believe her about vip/pvt dances, but we don't know how serious she is. Some girls really do wanna get fucked outside the club for otc, like if she don't wanna risk gettin' caught at the club, more money can be had for her on otc, & she thinks you have a big dick.
Sinclair pretty much covered it, even adding a few things that I would not. Asking to be pre-paid in a post-pay club is not a rob tactic, unless she fails to perform as paid. I would add dancers who ask you to buy them a drink when they know the dancer drinks are way, way overpriced and mostly used to gouge customers. In some jurisdictions, these are known as "B-girls" and constitute an actual crime. That was the reason Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Dept gave for shutting down one of my favorite clubs in Fat City, LA, Jaguar's. All of the dancers asked for drinks and they were on the pricey side, but these girls were so pretty and so much fun that I really did not mind.
Related to #1 - Bait and switch tactics.
Rather than promise certain services and not deliver, I've more often experienced girls who imply hot VIP action, and then change personality when back there. Once the curtain closes, she rushes and/or becomes detached, mechanical, and clinical. Even if she technically delivers, I wind up feeling duped.
@Rod84 Yup. That is the probably the most classic ROB move. The girl is touching you all over and flirting. As soon as the dance starts she goes full resting bitch face and just gives a lousy air dance. I have had girls who wouldn’t even take their top off.
#4 and #6 not so much. But I would add another ROB tactic - corollary to #5 (common at Cheetah Hallandale Beach, FL) is to provide services not asked (ie get totally nude and allow DATY or FIV, or unsolicited HJ) and then demand an additional $200 after the fact.
Another similar ROB tactic (common at Tootsies Miami) is to demand additional money for services you thought were included - after you’re in the VIP room.
#3 Isn't undercounting in pre-pay a good thing? "I've been dancing for 20 minutes, but I think that was just 2 songs"
Now, under-timing a VIP is another thing. "Yep, even though we started our 30 minutes 15 minutes ago, time's up." Now in an extras club many girls are done once you pop.
@goldmongerATL I guess it is semantics with #3. The dancer would overcount the number of songs she danced, which results in an undercount for what the customer prepaid for.
I got roped in by a major cutie at PT's in Indianapolis. "We can do whatever we want back there. No rules. I'll take good care of you." Yeah, right. Paid up, settled in, and the rules started. "I just got my pussy pierced so you can't touch it."
Virtually no grind. She spent more time looking through the curtains, watching what was going on out on the floor, than paying any attention to me. The definition of bored and boring. Halfway through the half hour, she said it was time to talk about a tip.
"$200." The half hour itself was $200.
"You said you were going to take care of me. You haven't even started."
She started squirming. "We're not supposed to do that." She went silent and went on with the non-grind. She also went on with the "negotiations," adding in that her little girl's birthday was coming up and she needed money to throw her a good party. But the stripper had money to get her pussy pierced? Yeah -- no. It definitely sounded like a made-up pity plea.
A couple more "negotiations" came and went, and I was sick and tired of it. I slid out from under her, gently pushing her aside, told her that I was done with this. She tried to pout and guilt me (really bad at it too), but I just left.
What a wanna-be ROB.
🦕 🦕 🦕 @PhantomGeek : $ tatts, & nice cars signify the dancers have money as well, & funny when they won't discuss their sugar daddies & pimps, its a lot of hush hush behind closed doors, I am just waiting for the day I can be a regular, I will buy the clear top platform shoes, fishnets & panties I would like for mi fav stripper to wear ~ cheers ~ 🐒
@PhantomGeek - You should have told her that she had ample opportunity to get money to throw her little girl a nice birthday party but she totally fucked that up by not working for it. LOL!
I disagree with every one of those examples.
(1) she agrees to a BJ, but she puts a condom on, kisses the head and jerks it. That's not a "rob", it's a bad BJ. (2) song count could be an honest mistake, either yours or hers, but it's not theft. (3) after 20 minutes she says we're done, maybe she includes the time it took to pay, walk back, and the time she'll need to wash up. Bad service isn't theft. (4) pre-pay is almost always a bad idea, but merely asking for pre-pay isn't theft. If you simply refuse to pre-pay what money has she stolen? (5) asking you to over-pay after the deed isn't robbing you. Just say no and walk out. Of course if you were foolish enough to valet park you might not get your keys back, but that's a different issue. (6) low effort isn't robbing you.
Just because you're not happy with a product doesn't mean the vendor robbed you. A real "rob" could be: 1- she steals your wallet 2- you agree to full service, you pre-pay, when you get back she says she has to get a condom, she leaves, and doesn't return. 3- she gets prepaid, and doesn't take off any clothes, doesn't do anything. 4- she agrees to a BJ, but just licks the head for 5 seconds with a condom on. When you say you're not going to pay full price she says you won't get your car keys until you do, because you gave the valet troll your keys. Same thing with mandatory coat check. Clubs always side with the dancer, she's hard to replace, you aren't.
Anytime you pre-pay you're taking a risk.
Pussylicker is really splitting hairs here......
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