Trafficking busts

How does the girls changing out every month and working other cities mean trafficking is going on?

I don’t know about AMPs, but with latin and other spas all over, the lineup is changed every few weeks or month or so because they need to, to maximize business. And a lot of girls working these latin/other spas are English speaking american citizens. The moving around is done by choice, because business starts dropping after a few weeks time, so they switch to other cities. The ones that arent citizens, appear to be here on tourist visas and illegally working.

"with girls changing out every month or so and working in other cities on a rotation basis."

this is par for the course normal and not trafficking

Lots of escorts, particularly the ones with higher rates, travel frequently to work. Offering strange is part of why they can get a higher rate.
With AMPs, the fact that some only employ Asian immigrants with little English is what seems consistent with human trafficking.

Where did the bust take place?

@ilbbaicnl thats because they probably hire immigrant ladies on tourist visa. I think tourist visas are 90 days maximum, but it still looks bad if you stay close to the full 90 days. They also track how frequently you come back as a tourist. So if someone keeps leaving and coming back immediately, it looks bad.
So even if these ladies werent switching around and traveling to different spas in different cities, any of these parlors would need to change their lineups every couple months at least.
They’ll still get some business from repeat clients and new clients, but business probably slows down when the same girl works the same spot for a month.

little English isn't trafficking either. There are probably 2 million Floridians with little English. Most of those are not trafficked.

If you deny symptoms of trafficking, I can only assume that you're being willfully ignorant.

@georgmicrodong @sfrsox

But you havent explained why simply working in different cities is the same as trafficking. Also so everyone is on the same page, you should state how you define trafficking.

Trafficking used to mean forcing someone to engage in any kind of labor, including sexual labor.

But the liberal definition of trafficking, has been redefined to include any woman who is poor and, out of poverty and desperation resorts to sex work to make a living.

And there’s actually an alliance of those liberals with some butthurt American born sex workers, who want to discourage people from seeing foreign european/latin/asian ladies who charge less.

Since those foreign ladies charge lower rates for sex, they take business away from a lot of these american sex workers, who then resort to claiming they are “trafficked”.

The other thing is since prostitution is already illegal to begin with, anytime theres a prostitution bust and theres an escort agency or massage parlor business involved, they always charge the business owners with pimping and trafficking. Even if there was no actual proof the owners were forcing girls to work against their will.

The fact of the matter is theres a lot of shit hole countries out there- in colombia people make like $300 working a whole month.
Meanwhile a hot Colombian lady selling sex can make that in an hour.

When you have a salary difference that exponential, you will obviously always have people wanting to come from the poorer countries to work in the richer countries like america. Its not trafficking unless they are being forced to work against their will or if their owners are just taking all their money from them.

Any claims to the contrary are either dishonest liberals or butthurt american sex workers who want to get rid of any cheaper competition.

nobody needs to traffic anybody, because these asian, latin and poorer european countries have endless streams of women willing to engage in sex work.

The guy at my local bodega doesn't speak English? I doubt he is trafficked. The chicas at the local taco shop no habla espanol. I doubt they are trafficked.

Strippers also move between cities, to experience different cities. "Travel Dancers" are a thing. They like the flexibility and variety that it offers. I imagine many of us, given no family restraints, would prefer to do the same for our jobs. Generally not trafficked.

Cruise ship workers are given accommodations while working, yet not only are they not trafficked, they choose to do that job because of the ability to see and experience new things.

Would you turn down an opportunity for company-provided housing at either free or reduced-rate amounts? Also consider that for some (not all), accommodations provided by AMPs may be better than what they have in their hometowns.

Trafficking is the hot word of the times. And, LE organizations likely receive funding for going after trafficking operations. By referring to trafficking (even if only alleged), LE can get special funding to fund their forces.

Girls are coached to claim trafficking in order to avoid prosecution, just as illegals immigrants are coached to claim violence if they return to their hometowns.

Sure, trafficking does exist to some extent, but even then, to various degrees.

Some are likely physical forced and controlled. But, many who fall under the trafficking umbrella were simply tricked into the job, and then need to rely on the job to pay off loans associated with transfer to another country. In those cases, the goal of the supposed traffickers is to recover the funds owed for their service of transfer to a city. I concede that forced servitude to pay off debt is bad, though.

And then there is the matter of threats to safety of family members if they flee, which falls into the "pieces of sxxxx".

Yup, willfully ignorant about sums it up.

@georgemicrodong, how many of the 2 million Floridians who don’t speak English do you think are trafficked?

@sfrsox: Your reading comprehension sucks as bad as that racist rickthetick.

Please be so kind as to point out where I said anything about people who don't speak English.

Do you care that there are girls at strip clubs who are pimped-out? Pimped-our girls are potentially more harmed than trafficked girls.

To be clear...I don't condone trafficking. But, I also do not make it my business to assess whether someone is trafficked.

@funontheside: "Do you care that there are girls at strip clubs who are pimped-out? Pimped-our girls are potentially more harmed than trafficked girls."

You've been here long enough that you might have seen me opine on this subject before, but in case you haven't, yes, I do care just exactly as much. Did you think that was some kind of "gotcha"? And just in case, you want to bring up restaurant workers, maintenance workers, or any other occupation that attracts traffickers, I care about those too.

Slavery is slavery.

@georgmicrodong @funonthaside @sfrsox

Now you bring up the word slavery… again that is something that has different meanings depending on who you ask.

Technically speaking even people in historical times had to feed, clothe, shelter and take care of a slave. Otherwise they would lose their investment in the slave.

Some liberal or dishonest groups, nowadays, twist that concept into stating that anyone who only makes enough money for basic food/shelter is a slave engaging in slave labor. Its dishonest.

Unless someone is being forced to work specifically by another individual or group of individuals, they are not being trafficked. If someone from a poor third world country goes into sex work to make more money than what their dayjob provides, that isnt trafficking.

If you even do some basic research into how tourist visa laws work, you would perhaps better understand why these girls move around to different cities and also why these massage parlors or spas, or even escort agencies are constantly rotating different girls.

I mean theres probably even strip clubs out there that rotate a lot of different girls. The concept has nothing to do with trafficking and im confused as to why you would draw an association with trafficking and touring/working in different cities.

Also your attempt to debunk someone by comparing them to a racist like me is completely nonsensical because youre an admitted racist, you also discriminate people based on their professions, making statements like some cops are bad equals most are bad but you dont state the same about fast food workers, gangsters drug dealers protesters etc.

But racism has nothing to do with this thread topic regardless. The only racism going on as it relates to this topic is american born sex workers being racist against foreign ones and spreading lies about them because they offer cheaper rates

To add onto funonthesides point

“ Some are likely physical forced and controlled. But, many who fall under the trafficking umbrella were simply tricked into the job, and then need to rely on the job to pay off loans associated with transfer to another country. ”

That might be a thing, i dont want to deny it, but a lot of these ladies knew upfront that they would have to pay a coyote a certain amount to bring them into the country illegally, and then they do sex work to try to come up with the money they owe them. You cant really argue thats trafficking, either. Its no different than anyone else being in debt and resorting to sex work or other means to make money.
Trafficking has a bunch of risks attached to it, plus its unnecessary to do it since theres so many foreigners willing to do sex work.

If the company or person takes a cut of the money, or charges a house fee to clients at their spa, that is pimping not trafficking. Even then its only pimping if it can be proven they knew their girls were banging clients for money.

Lets say a lady working one of these spas charges clients 100 or 150 for sex, and they also have to pay a 100 house fee to the spa on top of that.

Now if a trafficker was managing those ladies, they would have to give up most of their earnings. So the trafficker would earn 100-150 more per client, but at major additional risks. If the girl wasnt making money, they would be tempted to either escape back to their country, report the whole operation to LE, or try to get a client to save them and help them escape the spa. Which probably a lot of clients would be willing to do.

Whereas a non trafficker would still be making the 100 house fee per client, and would have an endless stream of foreign girls willing to work the spa, who would probably be referring all their friends from back home to work there too. And there would be minimal risk of the girls complaining to LE, or trying to escape with a client or escape back home.

More generally, if sex workers don't speak any of the languages that are commonly where they work, they're more at risk of being trafficked.

^yeah but its not because they dont speak the language. Theres translator apps and spanish speaking cops all around.

Its more that if they dont speak english theyre more likely to be illegal or on a tourist visa.

Another thing none of the people complaining about trafficking have pointed out is that mexicans, or anyone entering the US through the border is more likely to be trafficked than someone who flew into the country.