More clubs getting targeted

‘Strippers bill of rights’ has fallen short, WA adult dancers say.

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Yet, lefties here whine about the red states lol. Progressive Denver is one fucked up place.

From all reports I've heard, employee status has been horrible for most dancers, especially the high earners. Clubs have to take bigger cuts to be sure that they can make payroll and pay accounting and HR costs for all the tax reporting and compliance requirements.

High earners end up subsidizing the weakest earners. Clubs can now enforce strict schedules and dress codes. Jumping from one club to another is much harder now. Clubs are less likely to hire a diverse crew of dancers, but instead make a smaller number of "safe" choices.

And of course the final kick in the pants is the tax reporting. We all know that a lot of these girls dramatically under-report their income and get EBT, Medicaid coverage and, if they have kids, WIC and sizeable tax credit refunds. All of that stuff combined is worth a heck of a lot of money. I'm sure that a lot of CA strippers had to kiss all of that goodbye.

Small wonder a lot of strippers have fled CA.

It's all been widely reported on. It also makes sense. Treating a large crew of dancers as statutory employees is expensive and creates a lot of cash flow challenges.

Icey you understand how taxes work? You must to some extent since you hate on rich people so much. What dugan is saying is that clubs who have dancers as employees take larger cuts of the lapdance earnings in order to cover everything.

So yes theyre getting the hourly wage payment but theyre also paying a portion of their lapdance earnings to the club.

The % of lapdance earnings paid to the club is something the club decides. It could be 10%, 50%, etc. if dancers have to be employees they can play with that % to cover higher expenses. If you think the hourly wage is such a good thing for dancers because you know dancers who benefited its because the dancers you affiliate with dont make much money, they dont have much demand. Thats why they resort to robbing tricks too

They pay taxes on everything the clubs pay out to them, including their cuts of LDs and VIPs. A lot of the clubs have had to take much greater control of the money in order to be sure that they get their cuts. The girls may still be able to keep any side tips they get off the books, but any money that passes through a club's hands to the dancer is subject to withholdings and reporting obligations.

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@icey you dont know what the fuck you’re talking about the clubs as payees are required by law to withhold taxes and SS contributions and pay them as they pay out, the only exception to this is a subcontractor that has provided the payee with a TIN and proof of insurance, tips are still taxable and I don’t believe these girls report properly so that creates a liability to the prime contractor. The law is what it is not what you want it to be.

Icey is literally the dumbest fuck on earth. The little bitch acts as if he has ever been other places and knows the strip club culture 3,000 miles from his shithole residence. Dancers get a free tax service? What a fucking stupid thing to post. There are IRS regulations on them for tips and dances as well. Really no different from waitress.

^What 25 said. To the extent that any CA clubs are really doing that now, it won't last past their first tax audits. I've heard that the Deja Vu clubs most certainly are deducting from everything that passes through their hands to the dancers.

CA is killing its clubs. Out of the 250 clubs that are listed on TUSCL for the state, only 145 are reported as active. But a moderate chunk of those clubs have no reviews or haven't been reviewed in many years, so I'm sure the number is even lower. For sake of argument let's call it 130 now, in the largest state in the country with several large metro areas.

The forever COVID closures killed off a bunch of the clubs, but many more have died off in the past 3 years. I have no doubt that having to treat dancers as statutory employees has had a lot to do with that. Much like Uber and Lyft, the strip club business is just not designed to accommodate this approach to gig workers given wildly varying and sometimes unpredictable fluctuations in demand for their services.

The next big death blow for the CA strip club industry will be when the employee-related discrimination and unsafe workplace lawsuits start. It's only a matter of time now.

God damn this guy is fucking dense. Probably has never paid taxes in his life so there’s no point in trying to explain all the in-house or contracted work it takes to keep track of all of this, which is no small expense.

And… unless an accountant is coming in during tax season and exchanging tax prep work for lapdances there is no free tax filing service. There are gimmicks out there but good luck filing your state taxes for free!

"Ok yeah they take half our money but they got great dental insurance"

Of course the clubs dont get anything from cash tips.
There are definitely some clubs that keep 50% of the stated club price for dances. I dont know about the CA clubs but there must be some that also keep a portion of what dancers make from dances. If they dont then each dancer can charge whatever they want for dances

^You're a liar and a terrible one at that. How your personality could be fucking uglier than your face pic is astounding.

Icey, saying the same things over and over doesn't make you right, just repetitive. 😉

To the extend that any club really is handing money over to dancers without withholding, they'll be changing that as soon as they are audited. So will any other clubs doing it once word gets out about one of them getting walloped for unpaid payroll taxes. As I already mentioned, I've heard reports that Deja Vu is already doing it and I'm sure so are many other clubs. Sales commissions, bonuses and any other form of payment made by an employer to an employee are all subject to withholding.

Dude, they are all taking cuts of dances. This is also widely reported. How else do you think they are paying these wages?

^ Stupid fuck. Desires gets $5.00 of the dances and R.I. Dolls gets $10.00. Go fuck yourself you fucking retarded liar.

@rickdugan: "but any money that passes through a club's hands to the dancer is subject to withholdings and reporting obligations."

That's not even counting the FICA and medicare matches the employer is required to make. All that shit adds up.

"CA is killing its clubs"

Probably by design. But the clubs maybe do have a choice. Keep them as sub-contractors an treat them like sub-contractors. What got them in trouble was calling the sub-contractors, but treating them like employees. That's a big no-no. Though no doubt regulators have made it more difficult to actually employ sub-contractors.

@icee If you shut up you might learn something, even as butt ugly as you are, you appear to have two ears and one mouth, you should shut the fuck up and listen, because you can’t hear over the sound of your own voice. The clubs are required to keep accurate records and even if the dancers aren’t subject to payroll, there will be an audit record of what was sold, I’ll guarantee you that the clubs will comply with the monthly record keeping requirements, the girls will be liable for taxes on what was sold, and if accurate records aren’t available the state auditor will impute an estimated amount due based on hours worked and club attendance which is mandatory for any business to report. These clubs are not going to accept liability for anything they don’t have to, so fuck yeah, those taxes will be collected else the responsible party will face interest and penalties and court costs if it goes that far.

===> "But the clubs maybe do have a choice. Keep them as sub-contractors an treat them like sub-contractors."

@georgmicrodong: In most states I would agree. In fact, IME a lot of clubs have smartened up over the years and stopped pulling gimmicks like fixed scheduling, fines for a variety of things, rigid dress codes, etc., etc. They've had to trade off a lot of control over dancer availability and product perfection, but I'm sure it was worth it to avoid being classified as employers.

But California is applying a very stringent standard which was specifically intended to capture gig workers. One of the provisions indicates that you can only classify a paid contractor as an IC if he/she: "performs work outside the usual course of the hiring entity's business." It's obviously impossible to make that case for strippers in a strip club. Same with Uber and Lyft drivers.

Are they allowed to have dancers as employees and also charge them a house fee to dance in the club?

"...must both show the city why they should keep their licenses." Licensing isn't a court of law, yet, they are prosecuting like they are a judicial court. I'm NOT a lawyer, it just seems it would be on the Licensing Board to prove why their license should be taken away.

To add to ^

The Peoples Democratic Republic of Greater Denver (Boulder, Longmont, Ft Collins) is just a Politburo, or better a Star Chamber. In the 1990s, Denver banned Pit Bull Terriers and similar breeds. In 2000 the Gov signed a Statute that prevented banning dog breeds. However, Denver maintained their ban under "Home Rule." In Nov 2020, voters repealed the 31-year ban. Since January 2021, Denver requires a Breed-Restricted Permit. Owners can have up to two, and the dogs must undergo a breed assessment, $25 fee, be microchipped, vaccinated, and registered for a permit with yet another $30 fee.

My point to all this is Denver acts however it wants, fuck "Due Process" the Left so loves - they create their own "Due Process". CO is now no different than CA with an uber-super majority with US Senators, Gov, Legislature.

Icey, you clearly don't know what you're talking about. Just shut the fuck up already, lol. Maybe save your stupid stories for the guy who brings your next Meals on Wheels delivery. 😉

@rickdugan "What got them in trouble was calling the sub-contractors, but treating them like employees." in December 1992. Microsoft was sued by by a class action suit by subs for being treated just like employees however with no benefits employees had, and the subs won in 2000 - 8 fucking years. Vizcaino v. Microsoft.

Icey is so amazingly fucking stupid that he considers very Blue Las Vegas, red. Hey stupid, there are red cities in Blue states and blue cities in red states. It is obvious you have never travelled anywhere or ever been to a strip club.

^ what firsthand experience? Coming on a strip club website and telling us that you’re going to commit suicide over a crack whore doesn’t qualify.

@rickdugan: "performs work outside the usual course of the hiring entity's business."

Ah yes, I'd forgotten about that bit. Heard about it when they first implemented it, and forgot.

So what has that done to Uber, Lyft, etc.?

===> "Firsthand experience living with strippers. "

So living with a crack ho who happened to strip for a minute makes you an expert on all things strip club, including how all CA clubs are currently handling AB5 compliance? Alrighty then. 😉

How would the club make money if they have to pay $21 per hour to dancers? Even if the dancer has to pay them a house fee, theyll still be at a net loss. And they would also have to pay benefits of some kind to dancers working 40+ hours a week? So how would a club even make money. Just food, drinks, and entrance fees? Tips to the bartenders and managers?

===> "So what has that done to Uber, Lyft, etc.?" Fortunately voters overrode AB5 for rideshare and delivery services by passing Prop 22 to specifically include these two categories from the new law. They were rightly concerned about losing easy access to rides and food delivery services if these companies had to scale back in CA. I guess someone forgot to add strippers to the list. 😆

I meant "exclude" not "include" lol.

Icey then how is the club making money? If they cant collect money from lapdances, youre saying they basically can only make money from entrance fees, food and drinks which is ridiculous.

Thats a horrible comparison. So you admit that you think strip clubs only make money off drinks food and entrance fees, like night clubs? And they pay the dancers just to try to get people in the door to then sell them food and drinks?

What about clubs that offer free entrance or free lunches? Theyre just taking a loss? Lol.

Night clubs dont have to pay anyone to dance there.

Night clubs are okay with anyone arranging to meet outside the club. If a strip club finds out a dancer is meeting people outside the club, a lot of dancers get in trouble for that. Why do you think that is?

Anyway i dont know much about CA clubs but i know theres clubs on the east coast that take cuts of the lapdance fees. They arent brothel clubs either.

"High earners end up subsidizing the weakest earners." +1

Servers dont get paid $21 an hour. Waitresses servers and bottle girls, even at strip clubs or restaurants get paid like $2 an hour.
Of course night clubs make money off food drinks and entrance fees. Why would a strip club limit themselves to only those earning methods when they can also take a cut of dances?

How many clubs/dancers have you talked to regarding this? If dancers dont have to pay a cut of their dances to the club, each dancer can charge whatever they want and set their own prices for dances. One dancer could do $100 for 10 minutes one could do $50 for 10 minutes. If a club is strictly enforcing dance prices, or if your paying the money to a bouncer or VIP manager, its highly likely the club is taking some cut of lapdance earnings

Then it varies state to state. $18 an hour plus tips is pretty crazy as a server. That means theyre pulling $40 an hour easily.

What you fail to understand is there are plenty of places where servers and waitresses only get paid $2 an hour by their employer because they make the rest with tips. In some places restaurants pay a higher hourly wage to the servers but the tips get split up and shared.

If these clubs are paying dancers $21 an hour and waitresses $15 an hour. They obviously are ripping people off when it comes to food and drink prices. A club that takes a portion of lapdance earnings can then afford to sell drinks and food at lower costs.

I dont think its common to get paid $15 or $21 an hour as a wage plus get tips on top. The tips will average at least $20 an hour if not more. So thats like over 80k a year just being a waitress.

Of course they dont pay a percentage for floor dances. What does that have to do with anything. They cant get full nude on the floor.

===> "Prop 22 got rideshare drivers more protections and benefits 🤡"

Paid for by the people who use the services. It's called the "CA Driver Benefits Fee." I know because I paid it the last time I was out in L.A. 🤡

There's no such thing as a free lunch dipshit. When you make something cost more, the money has to come from somewhere.

In the case of strip clubs, it has come largely out of the pocket of the highest earning dancers, who now must subsidize the weaker ones, along with all the other administrative costs I mentioned above. Like I said, no free lunch.

That's the problem with you liberal dipshits who think that money grows on trees and actions don't have consequences. California is facing a $12 billion budget shortfall this year alone because the children in charge thought that they could keep taxing and spending without consequences. Oops.

^I have seldom met anyone more hypocritcal or misogynistic than you son.