They vote, we suffer

Yawn…

Bacon!!

It’s no secret I’m not Trump’s biggest fan - but I can’t understand why anyone would vote for Harris-Walz. She’s not smart. He lies as much as Trump. She’s acts either drunk or drugged most of the time if you can’t see that you’re higher than she is.

I'd rather crap on someone than have someone crap on me, so I will vote for Trump, but in reality, I wish the choices weren't both crap.

I don't know how some people could hate themselves and their children so much that they would vote for Kamala.

You gotta be the lowest kind of human garbage to want that mamaluke representing America. She would be more embarrassing than Biden, if that's even possible.

Fuckin stupid whore lied again about owning a gun. The 60 Minutes guy asked what kind she has and she says, "I own a Glock".

Yeah ok. Never met a gun owner in my entire life that when asked what gun they have, just gives the brand. They say, "I've got a Glock 19" or a Sig P226, or a Ruger .357.

It's like someone asks what type of vehicle you drive and you say it's a Ford.

Did anybody bring the feed?

They're all out of their sleeping stations and in one place for our viewing pleasure!

Kids, this is what about half of our nation sounds like! It's like when doves cry!

Now, lets let them get back to jerking each other off with the doors closed and blindfolds on!

Half our nation are voting for politicians who claim that you have to be a biologist to define what a fucking woman is and therefore it's just beyond their ability to do it. Fucking retards.

Wow, there is a lot to unpack here.

Let the beatings begin...

I am proudly voting for Harris/Walz. There are so many positives in their favor that the negatives don't come close to changing my mind.

As a person who the ACA has literally saved her life, I can say that for those of us self-employed people out there who can't get insurance any other way... ACA... has given us the medical care that - in my case - literally is life changing.

No, even though JD said it... it simply isn't true that Trump is anything but OVERWHELMINGLY against the ACA... call it Obamacare if you want. I don't give a shit what it is called... it gives me insurance that I simply could not get in America. Harris is a strong supporter of ACA... and that alone is worth my vote...

I have had an abortion. Having a child was neither healthy for me, nor wanted, nor really possible... if you are against abortion, I suggest you don't have one.. nor have anyone in your life who NEEDS one...

I had my procedure done in a safe doctor's office environment... I didn't have to be a criminal to do it.. my doctor didn't fear he would be prosicuted.. it was my choice..

No, no one wanted this to go to the states... that is an insane argument... and Trump has said REPEATEDLY that he wants a nationwide ban..

Economically, I am far better off now than I was in the Trump era... mismanaged COVID... is only one reason. When people think the economy is bad, they don't spend on things like.. strippers... across the board, my earnings were down..

There are so many other reasons... but those are my big ones... so when you talk about suffering, having no medical insurance and fearing for my life.. is pretty much my defintion of suffering...

^ Please list the true facts which are in favor of Harris/Walz so that they can be debunked I know of no truths which warrant their election.

The ACA made insurance unaffordable or otherwise an economic hardship for many Americans. Most self-employed people I know cannot afford Obamacare because the premiums on the state exchanges are still too high for even the shittiest HMOs.

I am not against abortion, but the second half of your statement about someone needing an abortion can be read several ways. Please elaborate, because right now it just seems ignorant and hateful.

Trump has NEVER said he wants a nationwide ban on abortion. You are lying and need to provide sources for us to debunk. Yes, plenty of people wanted this to go to the states. That is in the Bill of Rights as the 10th amendment. Another genius foresight by our Founding Fathers.

The whole of congress, particularly the democrat controlled congress and the bloated federal bureaucracies mishandled COVID. Blaming Trump is lazy and stupid. Much blame can also be assigned to state and local governments.

Maybe you, individually, are better off economically. Most Americans are tired of Harris's failed economic policies resulting in record inflation and unaffordable COLs, billions being given away to illegals, terrorists, and foreign governments while our countrymen are suffering in regions destroyed by natural disasters, and a criminally corrupt state which restricts freedom of speech, suppresses the freedom of the press, and prosecutes people who protest these gross violations of our basic constitutional rights.

You have the constitutional right to use universal abortion access and healthcare as your primary reasons for selecting a candidate. My primary reasons are electing a candidate who will fix the economy, stop illegal aliens, restore our national security, shrink our bloated federal bureaucracy, defund the DC swamp, defend the constitution, protect the nation from all enemies - foreign and domestic, and allow us to exercise individual accountability and self-determination. That is Trump/Vance. No part of my final statement can be truthfully claimed by Harris/Walz.

Proudly voting for Harris/Walz and without reading a bit further I pegged this poster as selfish and caring not a bit for the future of the country. Let us see if I am correct. The ACA has not "given" people anything. The taxpayer pays for it and it makes them feel so nice when someone with an under-the-table cash job takes their money. Wait times for appointments have more than tripled, emergency rooms are stuffed full disease factories and medical workers are leaving in droves. Just bodes so well for the future. Abortion is the murder of children to some and while it isn't to me in the first trimenster, it is afterwards. I get to hear on court appointed cases: "the child wasn't healthy". I always want to respond: "yeah brown eyes do suck when you want blue". The idea that "no one wanted it to go to the states" is just bombastic, self-serving bullshit. It was always a state issue until liberal justices cheated and created a new right, based on the "right of privacy" which also dosn't exist in the Constotution. Possible the worst decision ever in the history of the law. Abortion has been a state issue since the Constitution was written under the 10th Amendment. No Federal abortion law is permissible. No federal Law banning abortion is permissible, of course until the left cheats again. Which they do every time they lie and said Trump being elected means a nationwide ban. Sorry, just a serious lack of knowledge about the Constitution, a bold-faced Unamerican lie, or both. Every economic indicator would say the economy was far, far, far better for most under Trump, but when peoplr are myopic and only give a shit about themselves they choose Harris/Walz. Looking at the reasoning of Harris voters the idea of her stupidity causing a war, resulting in an economic shutdown in the Middle East will result in a recession so terrible that adult entertainers will be selling apples on the street, like 1930, is beginning to look appealing. Then again using the selfishness, all-about me theory, who fucking cares: "I got mines lol".

Walz doubled down on calling himself a “knucklehead”. Do we want a “knucklehead” a heartbeat away from the nuclear trigger?

Walz is literally the biggest phony on earth. A pathological liar and a fraud. he gives money to useless blights on society and is soft on crime, so of course he is popular with the base of the democratic party. You know the fucking cum stains marching in the streets in support of Hezbollah, murderers of American servicemen.

Can I just take a poll to see how many of you think illegal immigrants are eating dogs and cats?

....said someone who is not the mayor of Springfield, Ohio.

Illegal immigrants are too busy soaking up huge percentages of local school budgets, marching like nazis on college campusus and committing crimes to care about the consumption of pets. Immigration is sucking the financial life's blood out of this country.

Wouldn't be surprised if humans start disappearing and only their bones are found.

grrlgonebad had her false claims about Trump dismantled and her support of Harris/Walz completely destroyed and now launches into conspiracy theories. How very typical of a liberal shill. Founder should bring back the "dressing room" forum as a safe place for her to hide and lick her wounds.

She has no need to lick her wounds. She is a tough opponent and has acquitted herself quite well here. Plus she has a gorgeous face, a bagnin bod and looks great in red. I volunteer to lick her wounds for her. After people fight politics, whcih we have always done in this country, we shake hands and agree to disagree, which most will no longer do, but I always will. Except for a few, I would buy my political opponents a beer and that is based on who they are and not their politics.

Don’t worry I’ll vote for Harris/Walz early and often, I’ve made a donation to their campaign in your name gammanu for $2500.

For the record my friend skibum articulated our true democratic ideals in his post “ . After people fight politics, whcih we have always done in this country, we shake hands and agree to disagree, which most will no longer do, but I always will. Except for a few, I would buy my political opponents a beer and that is based on who they are and not their politics.”

That my friend is well said!

"grrlgonebad had her false claims about Trump dismantled and her support of Harris/Walz completely destroyed and now launches into conspiracy theories."

Ummmm.... not hardly. Let's dissect that statement...

Let's go back to the ACA. Please show me where - me... as an independent business - I can get health insurance at a better price? Don't just do it in theory... don't tell me about a "concept of a plan".... send me a link that I can use today.... prove that as a self-employed stripper... I have an option....

I'll wait...

As to abortion access, Trump appointed several supreme court justices, some of whom said out loud that their mission was to overturn Roe v Wade..... and eliminate the protections for abotion access. They did just as assigned... and did just that.

I personally have had a procedure that falls under the legal definition of abortion. This was medically indicated... an ectopic pregnancy... let's dive into the details...

acog.org

Now, when I said "pray someone you know does not NEED an abortion" this is just one of the reasons they might... your wife, sister, daughter, aunt... might depend on that care to live... and to limit this in any way means that you are putting thier lives in jeapordy... for a pregnancy that was never going to happen.

It does not matter what state they live in... they need this care... or they will most likely suffer... and die...

....and I resort to conspricacy theories? Your boy T was the one who said it loud and proud on stage... and then doubled and trippled down on it... followed by JD... now... let's be clear WHO was going to the conspricay theories.... not me... I was just asking who was sumb enough to believe them.

^ 👍👍👍👍

I'm pro choice but I don't know any pro life individual who would not permit an abortion for an ectopic pregnancy. That's an open and shut "for the life of the mother."

I can point you to Arkansas and Oklahoma...

“ I'm pro choice but I don't know any pro life individual who would not permit an abortion for an ectopic pregnancy. That's an open and shut "for the life of the mother."

Yet you’re still going to vote for the guy who brags that he appointed the judges, who have killed god knows how many women through their overturning Roe V Wade

Fact:: ectopic pregnancies can be aborted in Arkansas to save the life of the mother findlaw.com

Fact: abortions are legal in Kansas: kcur.org

Fact: Oklahoma allows abortions to protect the mother's life oklahoman.com

Fact: Trump opposes a national abortion ban, and would veto a bill for the same: The former president has instead made the case that "abortion rights should be left to the states," said CNN. With the end of Roe, "my view is now that we have abortion where everyone wanted it from a legal standpoint, the states will determine by vote or legislation," Trump said in an April video on his Truth Social account. He has refused to endorse a national abortion ban — and his running mate, J.D. Vance, said in August that Trump would in fact veto such a ban. "I mean, if you're not supporting it, as the president of the United States, you fundamentally have to veto it," Vance said to NBC News." theweek.com

^ they goddamn well knew what would happen when they overturned Roe V Wade! That stupid statement is about as disingenuous as anything you’ve ever posted.

As I said before, you are clearly a single issue voter who, as skibum said before, is only looking out for herself at the expense of the nation. You cab deny that, but your arguments clearly state otherwise. You failed to rebut any of my arguments in favor of Trump/Vance. You may excel as a dancer, I neither know nor care, but you suck at debates and fail at civics.

No, "who have killed god knows how many women through their overturning Roe V Wade" is as stupid and disingenuous as anything ever posted. I posted facts with sources.

I win again, you're still a demented old loser. Damn, I love being me.

You love being stupid, we all know

BTW you’re among the very few people whom I’d never consider having a beer with in fact if you were on fire, I wouldn’t piss on you to put out the fire.

For what it is worth.. I am not a single issue voter. I care about a lot of things... all of which are more in line with Harris/Walz than some bumbling old man who is cognitively in decline... yep, oldest man ever to run for president... what - exactly - did you say about Brandon back in the day? It applies... to all octogenerians with demonstrative congnative decline...

"They're eating the dogs.. they're eating the cats!" - That is a direct Trump quote.

"If I have to make up a story to make people pay attention, then that is what I will do..." - That is a direct JD quote... when called out directly for lying about the people who count on him to represent them in congress...

I am still waiting on that ACA alternative... waiting.. waiting.... NINE FUCKING YEARS... waiting... of course, the BEST people are on it... and NINE FUCKING YEARS LATER.. they have a concept of a plan...

I am waiting for you to send me a link to a better alternative...

On the economy... what did the stock market close at last week? Oh.. what's that? the highest EVER valuation? What was that job creation number that hit... wait what? 275,000... double the prediction... hmmm.... maybe someone is lying to you about these things... maybe... you have an agenda that won't let you see the truth about these things...

oh.. and those are the abortion laws as they exist TODAY.. because people have fought desperately for those rights... given the opportunity.. from the SCOTUS on down, they would rule them out tomorrow....

" Damn, I love being me." On this I am 100% in agreement... I am sure you do.

Still waiting for that link... waiting.... waiting...

25IQ won't have a beer with me? Oh, I'm going to kill myself. How awful. That was on my bucket list. LoL, 25IQ is such an impotent cunt. I really could not care less. Remember how you said you never start shit, but I old you started this shit. More proof that you are an ignorant old liar who has no life and nothing to do but follow me around TUSCL like a little bitch. I still live in your head. I run your pathetic, busted, excuse of a retirement. Touch grass.

Grrlgonebatty is melting down and it's hilarious. Still waiting for her to rebut my arguments.

^ Yawn how weird

Generally speaking, I don't understand why we have so much political discourse on this forum, but such minimal engagement on political topics that actually impact the strip club industry.

I think the majority of observers would agree that girlgonebad won this particular exchange w/ Gammanu95 by simply focusing on candidates history and how it directly impacts the issues that matter to her.

More generally--better access to affordable health care is something that we as strip club customers should care about. We WANT the dancers at our club to be healthy. We want them to have easy access to clinics and appropriate medicine so that they deal with infections quickly enough that they don't have to work when sick.

Grrlgonebatty is melting down and it's hilarious. Still waiting for her to rebut my arguments.

Still waiting on the healthcare link... waiting... NINE YEARS...

also, don't care... enough... to rebut... just feel sorry for you... in your little world you created... vote for whoever.. I can't convince you... you can't understand facts... and if we can't agree on that simple level.. then there is nothing else to discuss... not running away.. just pointing out that you and your "alternative facts" aren't real... so.. good luck guy...

@blahblah... exactly... my.. point. In a strip club forum... wanting better healthcare for strippers.. is kinda important!

as I always say.. I have a pussy AND a brain... but I often leave out.. I have a heart too... and care about other people beyond myself...

Forget it, puddy. They're living in denial. I gave them facts and logic and they cannot process the facts and logic which go against their preconceived notions. Mark 1 mod 0 democrat base voters. She gets hung up on wanting a link for a discussion no one was having, as an excuse for being unable to respond effectively to the rest of my arguments. Kamala Harris style political posturing. Ggb even emulated Biden's unintelligible communication style.

Fuck it. I'm sitting in a front room with a New Orleans Hurricane cocktail behind hurricane proof bay windows watching a couple of neighbors screw ply wood over windows and hang steel shutter panels. My life is good.

Kids!
You can look now!

Puddy and Gamm have just finished swallowing each other down! They're high fiving on it!

Not a drop wasted!

What is this concept of "won"? I don't understand... how does one "win"?

This is a stupid and childish statement... it sounds like you are in 3rd grade...

Please define "winning"? What did you get in return for "winning"? You feel better about yourself? Congratulation little boys... you get a trophy... does that make you feel all better? You are... winners... yeah!!!!

Call me back when you are adults.....

I am still waiting for that link to a better alternative to the ACA...

That is EXACTLY the discussion I was having.. you asked why I am voting for Harris.. it was because of the ACA... you seemed to dismiss this as irrelevant in lieu of some perceived "invasion" of illegal immigrants into the united states (which isn't actually happening, but I digress).

Healthcare is a real issue for me and every single stripper you will ever know... we live in that real world TODAY... not some hypothetical... not some boogeyman that a two bit petty con man has sold you on being afraid of... but the REAL world where it means life and death... sure, there is the abortion issue, but that is only part of it...

There is literally no better alternative to millions of self-employed people in the US than the ACA. Trying to say "it is complicated" is about the lamest, stupid.. low thought excuse for not supporting ACA I have ever heard.

OF COURSE IT IS COMPLICATED... duh... what's your point? It seems to be that BECAUSE it is complicated we should all just throw our hands in the air and give up... Any healthcare plan is better than no plan.. or as your boy T said... a "concept of a plan"... which is.. no plan.

I will worry about the potential "illegals" coming in right after I go to the doctor... real world issues.. not hypothetical fear mongering...

Little boys... you win.... you are winners... now go play with your orange toy while the adults solve the real problems..

Preach, girl

I disagree. The exchange, at least in Florida, is crap. When we first started seeing patients, as a solo practice, we had our insurance through the exchange. The monthly payments were absurdly high, as were the deductible and OOP. What few other physicians we used who accepted the exchange plan always commented with shock how high our OOPs were. When we contracted with the payer whose network included our plan, the compensations were crap. Even lower than the standard medicare payments. I pushed back, and the payer's response was "Take it, or you won't be in any of our network plans."

Something I and most Republican voters understand, and you average liberal does not, is that what is good for one person is not always good for another. grrlgonebad is happy for her TX plan, and I am happy for her, but her satisfaction does not mean that the ACA is good. The ACA was a badly written power grab written as a stepping stone to Universal Health Care. Our Canadian snowbird patients always tell us how terrible the Canadian clinics are and how miserable Canadian doctors are compared to American physicians. Getting records from Canadian clinics is worse than pulling teeth from a rabid polar bear. They are so overwhelmed and understaffed that it makes a public hospital look like a paradise workplace.

My biggest argument with ggb is that she is a single issue voter whose single issue forsakes so many larger more important issues that affect more than her uterus. Like 25IQ, whose TDS overrides any common sense he never had to see that Harris/Walz is an awful choice where I can easily foresee disaster for our nation (just as I called with Biden/Harris). All these liberals ignore proven, documented, fact in favor of false narratives from liberal pundits and the lying mainstream media. It all proves my original thesis: single issue and orange man bad voters (and I would single issue voters include both sides of the abortion debate) make terrible ballot choices, and the rest of us have to pay the literal and figurative price their dumb decisions.

^ So pathetic the weirdo has absolutely nothing to say and says it anyway

I vote in my own self interest... simple as that.

and the orange man is objectively bad.

1. When you choose to be self-employed, as I have been for decades, you derive certain benefits. Earning more than an employee is one. Running the show is two. Controlling your life is three. Access to inexpensive medical insurance isn't one of them. Tough shit ACA fans. You made the choice and it's not up to the taxpayers to subsidize you. Take some of the extra money you make and pay more. It is just selfish, self-interest to claim making other people pay for you when you made a choice is a good idea for the country. As far as justices saying they'd overturn Roe v. Wade? Not a bit different than the ones who said they wouldn't except for the fact Roe was a pos decision 100% against the Constitution and the illegal creation of a new right. The drafter of the decision admitted his original plan was three months max. He was bullied/convinced to expand it. Pigs get fed, higs get slaughtered. Three months would have ended the bullshit. I am not a christian, I am not pro-life, I am not anti-abortion. I am 100% against the Constitution being violated so Roe had to go. I also consider the abortion of a viable fetus murder. Don't care if someone wants to kill their own child, but not going to pretend it isn't ehat it isn't. 4 decdades of criminal and divorve law and the idea that people who do something bogus and despicable won't always find a readon to justify it still makes me laugh. If anyone thinks abortion isn't used as birth control in today's sick, demented world, they are kidding themselves. One example of an ectopi pregnancy, which actually could lead to a discussion of a realistic law is overwhelmed by the "its my right" people, whi can go fuck themselves. If you want it to be a right there are two ways to do it and not even once in the past 250+ years has any of these brave pro abortionsits tried to do it. Rather than try to change the law, they make killing a child the foundation of their politics and then wonder why others look at them as animals. The biggest lie ever - overturning Roe v. Wade killed woman. Such a fucking idiototic statemnt it is breathtaking. Show one example, because that was fucking beneath contempt. By the way saying abortion is right is wrong and mkes the person saying it seem ignorant. It never was a right. Never. Just as stupid is saying that a good stock market means a good economy. A good start market is good for the uoper ckasses. Low inflation is good for the people who are used and abused by the progressives in this land under the pretext of e=helping them. Bidenflation is stabbing democrats in the back. Harris will be the worst President ever. She will hasten the demise of humanity with her cackling and her idiot stolen valor Vp. No one on earth listens to Biden and Harris is like his ignorant step-sister. Jaybud contributed just as much as a stupid cunt would be expected to add. Thanks douche. As with all political discussion no one won anything. Grrl did prove what I said: her politics are all about her. Typical of the left because as we all know from personal experience; the more someone bleats about helping and caring about others the less true it is. Perfect example is her ignoring the single most important issue and that is illegals flooding in. As reported on MSN, using a Federal figures, illegal immigration, including terrorists has spiked 2,500% since the prior. administrattion. If you vote for Harris, you're a traitor and I hope you have kids and grandkids, so some of your blood pays the fucking price you ran up on a credit card.

Dude... whatever the fuck you are on.. take less of it.... or more of it... whichever gets to a bit leveled out... I'm gonna leave that one alone.. because you seriously... do not want to hear my answer... seriously... you do not want to hear that... trust me.

Nope... I am just going to leave that be... TRUST ME.... you do not want me to respond... I am trying to be nice... but this is pushing me to a limit...

Think I am some weepy little snowflake libtard girl... try me motherfucker...

^Lmao. Get over yourself. I am not some little progressive douche. I am from a bygone era where talking smack was just words. Say whatever you feel. I've been a divorce/criminal lawyer for almost 42 years so if you actually believe you can say something terrible to or about me, I haven't had said to my face, you truly are young and lacking life experience. As far as levelled out? You are injecting your own feelings into my words. I am making work calls, drinking coffee and setting Fnatsy Football lineups for tomorrow, in my bathrobe. life is grand and emotions rock. Nothing you can do or say to make today anything other than another great day.

^ My response was to your first post. Your second post was redundant.

I am a stripper... you think lawyers have thick skin... hah... whatever

^ I would say you also have a thick skin and that our jobs are incredibly similar, at least when it comes to clientele and the fact that even when we like our clients a lot, they still pay.

Yeah, anytime I’ve participated in a political discussion on this site, I’ve pretty much regretted it. It’s like in college when every so often I would have Jager, and nowadays I can’t even smell that stuff anymore without my tummy getting queasy.

I’ve had some really good conversations in PMs or offline with some individuals here related to politics though.

So, let's be clear... as the only one of the two of us who might ever have an abortion, I think I am in a unique position to understand the rights I claim over my own body. You do not get to choose what is right or wrong for me. Anything other than an acknowlegement of that is a troglodyte non-answer. I am the "its my right crowd" because.. it is. Plain and simple... there is no debate.

Name one law that specifically regulates how men's bodies? I will wait... Go on... your bro... Justice "I like beer"... couldn't answer it, I suspect you can't either... Name one of hundreds that specifically regulate women's bodies... I don't have the time or space to list them all...

Let's go through the real world details of my personal lived experience.... shall we? As you said... in this sick demented world we live in... (as an aside, bro... you do realize this is a strip club forum, right? Let's not try to go all moral high ground here... you openly talk about prostitution... so let's not be all holier than thou... 'cause you aint even close) people - although i think you meant to say sluts like me - use abortion as birth control. Perhaps, but the same folks who want to outlaw abortion also want to outlaw ACTUAL birth control... so... if they get their way.. and it is project 2025 to assign folks who will make that so... you get to drain your balls.. zip up and go about your merry way... we get to hope to god we don't get pregnant... Sorry zippy.... aint playing that game. Fuck you and your entitlement... The royal You don't get to hold all the cards.

The biggest lie ever - overturning Roe v. Wade killed woman. Such a fucking idiototic statemnt it is breathtaking. Show one example, because that was fucking beneath contempt.

Let's look at my own state... I had a procedure done... why? because I started bleeding profusely out of my vagina... why was that? Oh... only my body rejecting a misplaced fertilized egg... ooopsy! Sorry to get all icky and girl talk.. but.. you asked... you get it...

So... here I was... bleeding all over my car seat.... rushing to the emergency room... my body was not handling this almost but not quite spontaneous miscarriage well... because... ooopsy! shit happens... I guess it was just god's will.... that blessed little baby was going to be with jesus... fuck that.... it was a medical issue that demanded immediate treatment... the OBGYN on staff that night did not hesitate to do what is legally considered an abortion for me... to literally save my life.

Go on... tell me how this is beneath contempt... I fucking dare you... simple man... I dare you... to say what i did was wrong... or... morally deficient... you have nothing to add... so shut the fuck up...

Of course, that was before the overturn of Roe... and Texas has passed a set of draconian abortion laws... let's look at the confusion it has caused...

texastribune.org

Confusion... worry about doing what saved my life.... this is what you want... nice... and the laws are only there because lots of people have spent a LOT of energy and effort to maintain that "loophole".... fuck you... and your fucking loopholes... it is a medical treatment...

Beneath contempt... go fuck yourself.

Go to school... get a GED... stop typing like this...

^Dude she just told you about a very serious and traumatic experience and instead of having a morsel of humanity you come up with a cliche ad hominem while simultaneously thinking you get to vote to have control over her body.

Gammanothing once again proves (yet again) that he hates women and just wants to have control over our sex lives and reproductive rights. Anti-woman and pro-fetus until a baby is actually born. That's when he will tell a woman she was a slut for getting knocked up and should pull herself up by her bootstraps to feed her baby instead of asking for help.

The "it's my body" argument, is the typical half-truth that people in the wrong use. You are aborting a fetus, not cutting off your arm. While I agree men cannot get pregnant, the idea that because of that, they have no say in this is bullshit. I see people on welfare have a say in monetray politcy; people who never served can send others to war; a man who's wife is pregnant has no say if in the middle of the second trimester she changes her mind about being a parent and aborts his child. No different, just not personal to you. I notice while you find me to "beneath contempt", you do not have the decency to admit you couldm't find one single case to prove me wrong and decided to be the typical progressive and resort to name calling. As far as sinple man? I am far better educated than you; have represented minors in hearings on abortions in my state for 35 years; practiced divorce and family law for 42; deal with this issue weekly, and in a weird turn of events have been interested in this issue since I was a kid because we knew a doctor who was a family friend and his name was Kenneth Edelin. Sad to say that most people, but particulrly those on the left simply believe that they are right and those who disagree are just ignorant hateful people. They are the other side of the coin from deeply religious people and, while opposite in belief, are the exact same when it comes to bigotry and hatred. Two peas in a pod, opposites sides of the same coin; exact same people. So far we have one example of when abortion may be necessary and for those people I suggest a week in Massachusetts for a procedure and some time down the Cape. Every state is entitled to have different laws on this subject under the 10th amendment, same as all custody and support laws being different in every state. You caome here for your personal reasons and I will go to Texas and not get anyone pregnant.

I have a personal rule not to get involved in political discussions on tuscl but I’m going make an exception. Probably a one time exception, and I’m probably going to regret it.

Re “The biggest lie ever - overturning Roe v. Wade killed woman. Such a fucking idiototic statemnt it is breathtaking. Show one example”

Two specific examples:

pbs.org

General statistics supporting the idea that anti abortion laws are leading to an increase in maternal deaths:

nbcnews.com

Kids! A new specimen has been placed in the enclosure: The somewhat common DISBARRED ATTORNEY!

This one is unique in that it's cheeks are red from being spanked! Look how it postures and chest thumps AFTER being slapped around!

And notice how the gamm one is clearing its throat from choking on words?

The puddy one seems to be calming and quietly chewing on it's cud now.

@Lurker-X: You were right that you will regret being wrong. It is a known fact that PBS is worthless knee-jerk liberal garbage, and ProPublica is known for a leftist bias and secret fat cat liberal donors including George Soros: nypost.com even yahoo! points it out: yahoo.com ProPublica has no credibility.

Your NBC news link actually disproves your argument in the first few paragraphs. "The number of women in Texas who died while pregnant, during labor or soon after childbirth skyrocketed following the state’s 2021 ban on abortion care — far outpacing a slower rise in maternal mortality across the nation, a new investigation of federal public health data finds.

From 2019 to 2022, the rate of maternal mortality cases in Texas rose by 56%, compared with just 11% nationwide during the same time period, according to an analysis by the Gender Equity Policy Institute. The nonprofit research group scoured publicly available reports from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and shared the analysis exclusively with NBC News." The law began in late 2021, but the data goes back as far as 2019. It's a junk study. Also, in the next couple of paragraphs, "Texas law now prohibits all abortion except to save the life of the mother. " EXCEPT TO SAVE THE LIFE OF THE MOTHER. Enough said.

Nina made me laugh out loud. She has no clue what this thread is about or what I am about. I have never said any of the things she wrote; I have actually posted the opposite quite frequently. Nina, wipe the cum out of your eyes and learn to read.

^ I distinctly remember you calling Nina a porch monkey you fucking bigot

Twentyfive is correct. I think he was also the one who said years ago when I was an active full time stripper that I was going to have like 12 kids and live off "gub'mint money" and whatnot and compared me to a Blackface character because he found out I was mixed. To this day I am child free, although I plan on changing that next year. And I live in a house with many acres, an indoor pool, and 2 three car garages which is a far cry from needing to ever be his Blackface fantasy welfare queen.

I was making a shit ton of money dancing back then anyway. He's always been obsessed with me if you look into the post history.

Wow general statistics from the left to prove a point lol. Great example.

You said I called you a porch monkey? You need together your lies straight. Weirdo.

LoL, Nina's sucked enough of 25IQs limp cock to contract his Alzheimers dementia. This is a medical first.

^ You’re a nasty little weirdo, gtfoh

I was going to respond to the counter arguments to my post with counter counter arguments. But then I decided what’s the point, neither one of us is going to convince the other.

There is little point trying to debate with the OP. He has proven himself over and over to be the most immature poster on TUSCL, as evident from his repeated name-calling of people he disagrees with, and his frequent declarations of "I won, you lost !" with occasional punctuations of "Hard stop. Period !" to reinforce he won an argument. LMAO such childish behavior.

Lurker-X was right with his last statement.

wld4testes and 25iq continue to plumb new lows. Still nothing of value contributed by either. Nina is still a worthless slut, and finding new ways to fail miserably.

The democrat party is also reaching new lows and end stage race hatred. Seeing that Kammy's popularity has plateaued, they brought in Barry to tell black men that they are obligated to vote for Kammy. Well, if Biden can say it in 2020, why not the half-black guy in 2024? Well, dumbass Barry took it a step further, and accused his "brothers" of misogyny by hesitating to vote for a woman. The inherent racism in that accusation if appalling.

Why can't Barry and the democrats admit that all voters - white, black, male, female- are free to vote and campaign on the issues? Because they fail on the issues. They fail on policy. Freebies and identity politics is all they have. All liberals fail when arguing issues because liberalism and socialism are failed ideologies and an affront to the concepts of self-government and democratic republics.

^Weirdo is back,

Barrack Obama is a sick, disgusting racist. If Trump told all white men to vote for him, it would be racism blaring. Obama the fuck gets away with it, because while he is a useless bigot, its ok for some reason. Wonder what that could be????

^^ I never left. I did spend Thursday with my neighbors cleaning up debris, clearing roads and storm drains, and taking down/putting away storm protection.

^The answer is C: because a criminally corrupt mainstream media is actually just the propaganda arm of the liberal state and is dedicated to the agenda of perpetual power for democrat party oligarchs

^ you’re a bully and a cunt, fairly sure you did nothing to help anyone except yourself, more likely you were looting smashed trailer homes in your own local area

The spiteful old loser has no retirement but to follow me around. Get a life, touch grass.

^ Weirdo

"Nina is still a worthless slut"

And I have more land than you and a nicer home than you ever will. Funny to call me worthless when I actually have a net worth and I'd guess it's higher than yours even though I'm decades younger. Keep being obsessed with me. It's the Gammanu way.

Can't we all just get along.

“Trying to legitimate voting for Trump is very disingenuous“

—

Many, many people are not voting “for” Trump.

They see voting AGAINST Harris / Walz

She’s the most unqualified candidate in history put in there by the party elite, overthrowing the electoral progress.

God.. I truly don't want to chime back into this thread.. but....

@motorhead you do realize that the election hasn't happened yet, so it is LITERALLY impossible to "overthrow the electoral process". There is no law as to how long a campaign must last... and T filed for election 1 month after he lost in 2020... so...

it seems as though you are trying to lay the groundwork for a work of fiction you expect to have to put out there after November.

@grrl - Biden won the nomination with 14,000,000 votes in the primary. Then because of lousy polling results, he was pushed aside (or willingly stepped aside, yeah okay) and Kamala was just put in as the nominee. No election. No votes. No anything. If that's not overthrowing the electoral process, I don't know what is.

one question.. did she win the nomination at the convention? If yes, then she is legit... (and the answer is yes) The only reason you folks are calling out the "bait and switch" is because your boy T didn't do it better... JD is an anchor tied around the whole party's neck... he is a loser on so many levels.

No election. No votes. No anything.

False. The DNC had a delegate vote on August 2.

Kamala Harris secures delegate votes needed to become Democratic nominee reuters.com

JD is a fat incel loser, pillbilly baby with a fake beard to butch him up... he is purpose designed by Peter Thiel to represent the tech bros... who use him like a puppet... he THREATENED HIS OWN CONSITUENTS because he lied about Springfield.. and if he has to make up lies... then so be it... his own words, not mine.

He is the fat incel who really... really.. really hates women.. from his mother to every other pussy carrier on earth... because we were mean to him in HS....

Men can tell this guy is fake

women can tell JD is an incel with mommy issues... seriously... it isn't hard to see.

Yale law... okay... not stupid... bestselling author... fuck that white trash Honey BooBoo shit... it is pillbilly bullshit writing... the "50 shades" of redneck... USMC corporal... the default for staying in 18 months... wife? he's ruch... you could have his wife if you were as rich as he is...

what is your point.

Quite literally.. I am not in the minority on thinking JD is a cunt.....

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

you said the same of Walz.. where is your truth in that.. seems to be good man to me..

approval ratings are not a liberal/conservative thing... it is a poll of americans.. maybe you have heard of them...

My point is calling him an "incel" sounds like angry whining rather than anything based in truth.

Then why is it okay to slam Walz or Harris with the same subjective words you said I used... where is your objective proof? where is your truth?

Walz has a pretty wife... a teacher... two nice kids... how is that different?

google.com

That guy got beat up a lot.^^^^^^

He's self made and successful.

He is 100% bought and paid for by Peter Thiel... that is not really open to debate... the republicans brag about that...

@motorhead

"She’s the most unqualified candidate in history put in there by the party elite, overthrowing the electoral progress."

Wait, are you comparing with the Trump before or after Atlantic City and "you're fired?" Then I can understand what you're saying.

@puddy

"Yale Law grad, bestselling author, Marine veteran with a beautiful family and hot wife. You seem to be in the minority."

"UC Law San Francisco, best selling author, Attorney General for six years, state Senator for five years."

Except she's "stupid" and "unqualified" because she doesn't mirror your politics. If you put Trump and Harris head to head on paper she smashes the shit out of him. Put them on stage to talk topics....she'll smash the shit out of Trump. JD is the brains of the operation, but he's pretty green.

And before you start with your typical bullshit tearing down VP Harris' accomplishments (you know, slept with Willie, progressive blah blah, mispronounce her name.....you know, you and gamms typical tear down points).....line up Trump and Harris side by side and see who has accomplished more in their lives (and don't just use money you fucking idiots, I'm refuting the idea that's she's stupid or unqualified relative to Trump).

You know I love you.....even in your delusion.

Let's make a bet:

Straight bet win, VP Harris versus former President Trump (see how I can say his name and title respectfully, even though I have no respect for him?)

If VP Harris wins: You have to open a discussion up with the headline, "Jaybud999 was right, Harris wins!" I'll even give you a little juice....you can use "gaybud999"

If former President Trump (I did it again, I addressed an asshole with respect) wins: I'll open a discussion to peacefully call for riots in the strip clubs of amer------oh wait, sorry.......I meant this: I have to open a discussion up with the headline," Puddy Tat was right, Trump wins!" And I won't even take the optional juice of "puddy tard" .

Take the bet.

To spice up this wager... I think that Puddy must also wear JD Vance's eyeliner for a week... but he better be careful, all the girls at the club will want to know what kind it is that stands up to his tears from crying all night long...

Ok….such a little bitch!

That’s for puddy, not grrlgonebad.

But I suppose it was already clear.

No no no... I am quite the little bitch... don't think I am not! :-)

Interesting. I've been snowed under post-Milton, but I was curious on how much the needle hadn't moved. Unsurprisingly, NinaVagina and 25iq only commented in response to me (as they will again) because I am their obsession. Hilarious.

The rest of this thread has gotten kind of boring, right? The same screen names arguing the same opposing sets of facts (or lies and spin) with absolutely no forward movement on agreements or compromising. Working with my colleagues, employees, and patients on rebuilding after the hurricanes has helped put things into perspective. My house and offices are fine, but several of my team and patients were on Sanibel and other coastal communities in Lee and Charlotte counties. Many of them had as much as five feet of water in their homes from Milton just two weeks after Helene brought up to three feet. The ones on the islands can add up to 2-4 feet of sand and mud for each storm.

This isn't to say that the election is unimportant. I hate hearing that each election is the most consequential one of our lifetimes, but damned if it does not feel that way. However, arguing back and forth and inflaming passions in an already tense atmosphere in an anonymous and inconsequential adult-themed chatroom feels like a luxury in a time when people I care about and who depend on me have very real and immediate needs. I wonder if maybe people shouldn't take a moment to ask what more constructive and worthwhile things they could be doing, or at least take a moment to thank providence if you are not in one of the areas that has been affected across FL/GA/SC/NC.

Respect gamma, very well said. And that is not something I’d have predicted I’d ever say in this thread.

"NinaVagina"

How is this juvenile name calling supposed to be an insult to me, Gamma? Yes, I have a vagina. It functions as normal vaginas do. What is insulting about having a vagina? Do you prefer your women to... not have vaginas?

lol, she spent four days trying to come up with a response, and that's the best she could do.