This is a great reason why AI is total BULLSHIT!
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Tuesday, September 3, 2024 7:15 PM
Like Fox or not, this has nothing to do with Fox. If you have Alexa or whatever, give it a try!
Be afraid, be very afraid.
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""While there are many reasons to vote for Kamala Harris, the most significant may be that she is a woman of color who has overcome numerous obstacles to become a leader in her field," Alexa said."
*chuckle* *giggle* *snort* Oh, and she sucked the right dick.
""While there are many reasons to vote for DONALD TRUMP, the most significant may be that HE is a MAN of WHITENESS who has overcome numerous BANKRUPTCIES to become a leader in HIS field," Alexa said."
or, if you prefer,
""While there are many reasons to vote for DONALD TRUMP, the most significant may be that HE is a MAN BORN OF PRIVILEDGE who has overcome VERY FEW obstacles to become MEDIOCRE AT BEST in HIS field," Alexa said."
It's about that time Puddy. But I know you can handle it, because you said so.
As for why someone should vote for Trump--cost of living, border chaos, weakness abroad, civil rights, division of the country--and that's just what I can think of in fifteen seconds.
But hey, she wanted justice for Jussie Smollett ;)
The above comment is only in effect when they get caught.
I already refuse to patronize amazon and this is just another reason to spend my money elsewhere.
Put simply: Trumps policies worked. And in previous posts here I've documented from the IRS that the lower/middle class did better with the tax cuts than the upper income classes. State And Local Tax (SALT) deductions were capped at $10 Large for the 2018 through 2025 tax years. Those high tax states (Dem controlled) wanted to find ways around that. If you live in a state with high taxes, too bad, get your state to reduce taxes. If you live in NYC, BOHICA with more taxes piled on.
The question that begs to be asked: can you trust what AI bots are saying especially given they are designed by heavy Woke'sters that don't see no problemo with Socialism. Saying, "My bad" after getting caught is BS with no penalties so they keep on comin as do politicians who are so rarely held accountable that power/control grifting is worth it.
What Harris, well Obama's crew as she is just a Tool like Bandon, plans with higher corp taxes, an Ownership Tax, Open Borders, the Green Agenda - these are failures that the Democrats depend on what Johnathon Gruber, Econ Professor at MIT who helped craft Obamacare - "the stupidity of the American voter" and "lack of transparency is a huge political advantage." This describes Harris supporters.
None of the "smart" people creating this BS ever had a paycheck outside of gov't, and they are well taken care of let alone hiring and running a business. Sure, there are probably a few, the "masterminds" are just book educated with no practical experience other than their theories.
I also never us Siri or Alexa or any other crap. Like 15 years ago, Samsung had a bug in the voice TV remote that the NSA/CIA/MiB used to "wire tap".
2) Shailynn - to answer your question: the entire DNC leadership - Harris, Brandon, Obamas, Clintons, Schumers, Pelosi, et al- consider themselves to be of the elite ruling class. Bezos, Gates, Oprah, Zuckerberg, Iger, Soros, et al consider themselves to of the elite commerce and cultural class. They work together to oppress the common and see their will done for self-enrichment and perpetuation of power. Remember all the freebies and exemptions given away to Obama supporters during Obamacare and minimum wage exempt bakeries in CA.
3) illlib- why don't you trying insulting a candidate without insulting the candidates' supporters? You can say that Trump is phony without calling people who are desperate for change and to see our lives improve as idiots. Clearly, Brandon isn't working and Kamala will be even worse.
Everything I I said was solid. What opinions, aside from Harris, did I make? What I said Trump did, and AI is proving to be a Woke programming propaganda tool Goebbels would have had a wet dream over.
AI does not "think", it says what it is fed based on data it is allowed to collect. The Alexia Trump v. Harris was real, and designed by Woke engineers who hate Trump and the GOP. These engineers/companies promote the Democrat "we're getting the band back together on the Plantation" doctrine. Watch what they DO, not what they SAY.
The big question is still, why do people accept and the MSM supports why won't Harris and Walz (separately) do interviews as diverse, lengthy (17 minutes is a joke) and frequently as DJT and JDV?
Next week's debate will separate the wheat from the chaff. And, I'll be shocked if Harris or Walz are brave enough to do more.
I remember trump "believers" beung hospitalized after trump proposed chlorine and a flashlight up the ass to cure covid 😂 😭
They're giving Harris such a free pass on any kind of policy, parroting her "joy" line when she peddles TDS 24/7 and double talks on her far left 2019-20 policies vs saying more "center" things now. It's all an attempt to keep the far left and center left together.
If they held her to the same standards they held Trump, Trump would get 350 electoral votes easily.
AI is the systematic bias of its engineers. Vote for her because she's a black woman? Her own party saw her as a massive liability until a couple months ago!
And Dems pressed BUY AND EV and save the world. Guess the child Lithium miners in Africa didn't matter nor the horrible AFG bugout that Biden demanded regardless of the advice the Pentagon provided and Harris/Biden are "proud".
Chlorine, nice try. Idiots try out for Dawin Awards all the time, especially Dem supporters on the CCP Tick Tock.
Our recent inflation has been driven by Biden/Harris-led Democrats spending on top of Trump's known stimulus and a supply chain crisis. All because Democrats open their wallet and go OMG TAKE MY MONEY! when anyone says the word "green." Now we're refinancing low interest rate debt with high interest rate debt, and Biden's last budget proposal is 50% greater than the last one.
I spoke against Trump's tax cuts, but that's nothing compared to the proposed spending binge.
I count 7 as conservativish 7/11 = 63.6%
I count 4 as liberalish 4/11 = 36.4%
I wonder if that is a statistically accurate representation of strip club clientele?
My final anal sis of the data indicates that 100% of the commenters are fucking stupid for arguing with grown ass men on topics that nobody is going to change their positions on. That, and it's entertaining.
Man, I thought you'd be a better troll than this. *sigh*
It makes me the KING FUCKING TARD man!
OK, get a beer:
Per the NYT, the 2008 Financial Collapse had roots back to Clinton and the Community Reinvestment Act (Carter Administration). Clinton threatened banks that did Red Lining, well DOJ AG Janet Reno, with lawsuits. Red Lining was establish under FDR in the 1930s, and it was literally a Red Line that outlined poor communities that were ignored by FHA because of their Minority Status. Once that was lifted, banks made Sub-Prime Mortgages (junk loans) to people who couldn't afford them as many were ARMs and other gimmicks for lower entry then increases and "fees'. In/around 2001/2002 Bush told Congress (Dem controlled) that Fannie/Freddie Mac were making loans that were based on bad credit. The House Financial Committee, specifically as I recall Barney Frank, told Bush "don't worry". Junk mortgages were buried in quality paper to conceal, and Fannie/Freddie covered them. Eventually, the Ponzi Scheme collapsed. This was covered by the NYT. Bush tried to stop the junk mortgages and Dems told him not to worry, and BANG. So, of course Obama ran on this and blamed Republicans.
Bush should have been on the bully pulpit like he was for 911, and forced congress to reel in the Clinton abuse of CRA, Red Lining was bad for 60 years and Dems who controlled congress the majority of that period never stopped it, that would be called DEI today, something CA is trying to do with illegals and Harris wants to do by giving 1st time home buyers $25 Large as a down payment. Where will the money come from, just crank up the printing press as we are already at $1.5T deficit spending per year. This will just inflate home prices just like colleges' tuition knowing kids can borrow uber-amounts. Inflation is primarily fueled by excessive gov't spending creating shortages that effect supply/demand; too much demand for the supply drives prices up.
Harris' "grocery store gouging" thugs, who know nothing about economics as they have never run a business, (and yet Woke Apple makes like 35%-40% margins while grocers are around 2%) will cause shortages as products won't be affordable to produce and manufacturers will stop producing. This was seen in the USSR with toilet paper lines and other shortages with price control, Nixon's Phase 1/2 Wage/Price freezes, and Carter's hot mess with gas lines in the late 1970s.
When GM was collapsing during Obama's "Great Recession", US Treasury gave GM like $50B and took stock as collateral and assigned a gov't supervisor, who had zero business experience, to ensure GM recovered. US Treasury after many years, sold their GM stock under Obama at a huge loss, GM's stock in 2010 was ~$37. Today it is ~$48, and has traded between $20 and $60 the past 14 years, with a .99% dividend.
https://thehill.com/business/4562244-how…
As for the Trump economy, the 8th year of a recovery, especially from a sudden deflationary shock, is a lot harder than the first. Trump not only grew the economy but did so while interest rates were being raised from the ridiculously low Obama era rates. This illustrated a truth that is very uncomfortable to the left-- the best way to generate growth is to remove obstacles and stay the fuck out of the way.
Now Harris is proposing throwing more money around than Oprah. You get housing assistance! You get a government grant for a startup! All at a time when debt service has eclipsed the entire DoD spend for the year.
Give me the Trump economy over that.
BTW the proposal to increase tariffs is a joke, mainly because he’s lying about who pays the price.
But I guess you need your TUSCL argument of the day.
BTW your comment about Harris’s proposal to lower the current cost of capital gains has been praised by most economists including Goldman Sachs, but don’t let a little bit of fact checking ruin your day.
Don’t buy into anything they’re trying to sell you.
Only very stupid people already knew it.
I don’t no how people who are concerned about an intrusive government when it comes to abortion can also support the most intrusive act of actually taking away money and giving it to others
"Harris’s proposal to lower the current cost of capital gains"
My comment was about the tax on UNREALIZED capital gains. Every economist I've heard says it would be a disaster.
BTW do you know what would really be a disaster? Raising tariffs that will create stagflation, that’s what the vast majority of economists are really concerned about.
I agree that tariffs are a horrible idea but that's irrelevant to the discussion.
I own some TSLA, not a ton, but it's one step short of a meme stock.
Wanna build Chinese cars - do it here, not in Mexico. Use American labor and keep projects in the USA, not wiring them back to the CCP.
This is a negotiation tactic.
SS is taken out of paychecks ("we" pay 6.5% and employers pay 6.5% to really 13%) after pre-tax stuff, then it is applied. The reality it is a double-tax that effects seniors and disabled that are dependent on it. SS was never to be a Retirement Plan, just a safety net. When SS gets a bump, the cost of Medicare comes out of the SS payment and offsets most of the SS increase. For decades federal politicians had their own "SSI" and were exempt from paying into SS and Medicare.
SS needs to be overhauled and addressed on so many levels. This Kick The Can is total BS.
it requires taxpayers with net wealth above $100 million to pay a minimum tax on their unrealized capital gains from assets such as stocks, bonds, or privately held companies,
I don’t see any additional taxing of private homes, if you own 100 million in Tesla and instead of selling some shares to raise money, you borrow against the stock which is taxable, why should you be able to avoid paying taxes on the profits which you’re spending the same way, if you sold the stock and reinvest elsewhere you won’t be paying additional taxes, the tax is on the gains.
Yep SS needs to be overhauled, but there is an obligation owed to people who paid into the system for years, if they weren’t so fucking anal, and did their jobs well and overhauled the immigration system there’d be an abundance of people paying into SS.
Funny how the lawmakers keep getting richer, and they’re the last group with functional pensions, yet they used our SS as a piggy bank for years, let’s require them to pay back the money they took out with their own pension money.
Social Security absolutely was absolutely intended to be a Retirement Plan. Go back to the 1930s and read the history and how the SS system was set up and how it was designed to work.
It should also be noted that that Mogul and puddy are doing the research and backing up their arguments with facts and citations while the opposition (as usual) is not.
In today's economy, a $4,000 monthly check (many are below the $2,000 monthly paycheck due to their salary over the years) less Medicare of around $180, doesn't go so far as a "retirement" plan. It was a safety net brought on due to the Great Depression.
Originally, it was not taxed until politicians mishandled it so poorly in the 1970s they had to tax it. Medicare, part of LBJ's Great Society,, started ~1968 was just part of your SS when you retired as you no longer had company paid health insurance. You got health coverage (no cost) and SS that was not taxed prior to 1983.
Today, SS is taxed, as I already described, and Medicare runs about $2,100 a year out of your SS plus they have a $230/year deductible and once that is met, they cover 80% of the contracted (well, they tell health providers how much they'll be paid and to sit down and shut-up it is what it is) and you are responsible for the the other 20%. So, you need to buy the Supplemental Plan for around $185/month (depending on the Plan, your age and state) for $2,200/yr. Subtract this from the SS check and you are running below poverty hence the reason a lot of retirees 1) foolishly thought they could comfortably retiree on it; 2) have issues on this fixed income for things like groceries, clothes, property taxes, transportation, ect. The cost of energy and groceries are not even factored into the CPI and won't impact the annual SS COLA. Depending only on SS & Medicare is a fools dream.
Congress just writes IOUs for the excess SS taxes collected that are directed to the General Fund (I don't know if they still are today.) Point is, IOUs are paid by taxpayers.
I'm one of the those who doesn't want to depend on SS so I'm quite comfortable with my savings from my career. Allowing over 10M, closer to 15M although gov't is clueless as to how many are here illegally, the Dems want to give amnesty to (again, 1986 as the last time and CA fell) who have never paid into SS to collect is insane - THEY AREN'T EVEN CITIZENS!
Interesting how companies. after WWII, gov't put restrictions on salaries so companies provided Health Insurance as a way to attract better workers with a benefit without "salary", and it was really cheap. - this was a loophole.
Since post-college I've referred to any insurance as a communist plot to undermine our country - sure, insurance will pay for it. Is anyone saving $2.000/year with ObamaCare plus you didn't always get to keep you docyt, and medical costs and premiums/deductables went non-linear.
So, if America SUCKS SO BAD, Canada is calling. Don't change America as the majority of the population like it. Canada is not so bad, right? The home of beer, donuts, maple syrup and free medical care, eh! Oh, and the massage places where anything goes - BOOYAH!
There isn't a Tax the Democrats didn't like. My best example is the Spanish American War Long Distance Excise Tax from 1898 - 2006. In May 2006, the IRS and the Department of Treasury ((under BUSH), eliminated the 3% federal tax on long distance phone service. Back in 1898 there was NO FEDERAL INCOME TAX. An excise tax was a way to get the wealthy to "chip in" as only they could afford a phone let alone long distance calls - tracking had to be a real BITCH without computers to record calls, it had to be done somehow by female operators in Central Offices (COs) on paper ledgers.
My only financial regret was not putting MORE into a Roth when it was initiated.
@gammanu95 & Puddy Tat: Good to have you here, and the others that have common sense and solid facts. The Left are just left with zippy-do-da who want everyone to live in misery too. This is why I suggest Canada for them.
In a place of unobstructed information flow, you wouldn't have what I posted, nor "show me photos of Nazis" and you get everything BUT Nazis!
Artificial intelligence
Alexa is an artificial intelligence (AI) service powered by Amazon's vast cloud computing infrastructure1. It uses AI technology and techniques to become smarter and more versatile2. Alexa is a real application of artificial intelligence that is increasingly integral to our daily life3. Through a voice user interface (VUI), voice services like Alexa can communicate with people in ways that feel effortless, solve problems, and get smarter over time4.
The Racist 'Great Replacement' Conspiracy Theory Explained
The left has been gloating about it for decades. But that's what I'd expect from the side that is resegregating society.
Keep up the neonazi conspiracy theories. Dont forget to blame the trannies
What part of what I said isn't true?
If you can't give a source, I consider you to be gagging on my dick.
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2022…
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2022…
Hey, maybe post the link a fourth time and it'll make it from an objective source.
Icey still choking on it!
That's a first.
Keep choking on it!
Your fellow racists would consider your mixed ass as part of the conspiracy
This is a real problem as Search Engines, Google has like +75% of the market, prioritize searches based on THEIR algorithms. The best example of a propaganda Google search was typing "Attempted Assassination photo tr " would start to autofill Truman, not Trump. Meta (FB) at the same time was also suppressing Trump assassin attempt posts. No coincidence at all, If it acts like a Wokie, and speaks like a Wokie, it's BULLSHIT.
Then Elon bought Twitter, the Left had an underwear changing moment. They lost control of THEIR narratives. When SM sites get away with "My bad", "buggy" they are just caught and didn't expect the backlash. Even Google's Genesis when asked "Show Photos of Nazis" it showed anything BUT Blue eyed/Blonde hair Germans. This is insanely STUPID as we live in 2024, not 1924.
The Left is stupefied when they saw no bump from Harris' DNC soiree or her "lengthy" 17 minute CNN Bash scripted interview. They can't understand it.
Why? They have opportunity sunk costs, and believe, supporting the Dems. When Don Lemon on CNN did a street interview in Deep Blue NJ, he was put back on his heels. He argued with people! He believes the same horse shit the MSM feeds viewers like making Goose Foie Gras: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CLnTr2d…
The people Lemon interviewed were random and not select Wokies.
When you believe someone is providing fact-based data, unless you know how to properly research, you're being scammed. Digital media easily can be edited/deleted/massaged, books can't. Harris' crew has be caught updating digital media to make her look not so radical.
When this is all you got, it's time for the fork, you're done.
"CNN's Isabel Rosales reports to Anderson Cooper about the Winder, Ga. school mass shooter's alleged Discord posts in 2023 expressing a desire to kill and frustrations over transgender issues. A transcript of Colt Grey's father's interview with law enforcement last year reveals that his son was allegedly bullied for being queer at school."
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/183…
https://tuscl.net/discussion/76367
Youre on here pulling stats out of your gaping ass to support your racist rantings. Whats metastasizing is neonazi hatred from your kind. Right wing domestic terrorists are a major problem
The myth of migrant crime
Mass shootings are only a small category of overall murder related deaths.
“ https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/18/brief…
The myth of migrant crime”
That is hilarious how you type out the article title to attempt to reiterate your horrible points, it reminds me of that thread someone was talking about getting a high end watch or supercar and you posted “save up and buy what you can afford”.
the fact you think a comment like that is good advice or worth a post is laughable
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/a…
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Re…
the "Great Replacement" is encompassed in a larger and older "white genocide" conspiracy theory,[46] popularized in the US by neo-Nazi David Lane in his 1995 White Genocide Manifesto, where he asserted that governments in Western countries were intending to turn white people into "extinct species".[47][
It's also true that the corporatist/Obamaist Democrats and the Trumpers are strange bedfellows in making sure we only have those two choices. But that Trunpers are much worse on the suppression of democracy, then want to not certify election results that go against them, and "find" votes in their favor. Add to that the fomentation of hatred of refugees based on lies, and ignoring it when a jury finds a candidate probably committed rape.
Jan 6 is a partisan Democrat concern they're making out to be worse than 9/11 and Pearl Harbor combined because Americans are nostalgic for the Trump economy and an administration that was objectively better for civil liberties (my #1 issue--both Harris and Walz are hostile to freedom of speech).
"Add to that the fomentation of hatred of refugees based on lies"
Most of them aren't refugees, they're illegal immigrants coached to lie about it. The crimes in New York and now especially Denver are there for everyone to see. But you live in Chicago, so I guess you have enough crime to worry about. What's another pound on an elephant?
"ignoring it when a jury finds a candidate probably committed rape."
Actually it was "found liable for sexual assault." Not convicted, not rape. Just so happens to be similar to the plot of Carroll's favorite TV show. Coincidence?
Why do you think an illegal immigrant can't be a refugee? If you prefer to live a fact-free fantasy world, why make it so negative? Why not just fantasize that everything and everyone is great?
Obvious? No, the whole thing reeks of a lie. Is Trump an angel in that regard? No. But it doesn't mean the worst accusations about him are true.
"Why do you think an illegal immigrant can't be a refugee?"
A small fraction fit the definition, and they are being coached by administration-funded nonprofits to do so. But it's still a lie. The Democrats' goal of doing this is obvious, to import more voters, hence why they're trig to create a path to citizenship for them.
I do reject the asserting that Trump is legitimately a convicted felon. A jury found he had committed misdemeanors beyond a reasonable doubt. They also found, with some unspecified standard of proof, that he committed or sought to commit one or more of a laundry list of crimes, none of which he was ever even indicted for. And that converted misdemeanors into felons. Reminds me of how you get 20 years for smoking rock cocaine, and a kleenex to wipe your nose with for snorting powdered cocaine. But I don't see any clearly documented flaw like that with the Carroll case. If we reject jury and court decisions just because we don't like them, we're giving up on rule of law.
This is your idea of freedom of expression? https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/sto…
There are billions of poor in this world. If you think everyone on earth has a right to live in America, regardless of what Americans say, we're at an impasse. But immigration law, not to mention most Americans, doesn't seem to think so.
"If we reject jury and court decisions just because we don't like them, we're giving up on rule of law."
Yeah, by that reasoning I guess OJ was an angel. I look at the reasoning and evidence. The other 3 charges might have some merit. They weren't massaged and redefined by someone who, along with the AG, literally campaigned on getting Trump before they even had a crime in mind.
"This is your idea of freedom of expression?"
Whataboutism noted. Freedom of speech did well under Trump. Meanwhile, this is what you're advocating for.
The reliably-left ACLU on government surveillance (https://www.aclu.org/news/civil-libertie…)
Kamala Harris referring to freedom of speech on social media as a "privilege" (https://x.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/183…)
Tim Walz saying freedom of speech doesn't extend to "hate speech," unlike the Supreme Court (https://reason.com/volokh/2024/08/08/vp-…)
They've told you exactly what they're going to do to freedom of speech. We haven't gotten into the straight-up government persecution of Trump, and their hostility to the rest of the Bill of Rights.
Is this what you want?
The mixed race boy wants to be white so bad he got a mental illness from it
The system (in two trials) found that OJ probably committed murder, but there was reasonable doubt. Not a shocking outcome, when the LAPD allowed racists like Furman to be on the force.
Yes, the Obamaist Democrats are a potential threat to democracy and individual rights. But Harris has not promised to pardon people who tried to violently overthrow the results on an election, without valid evidence it was justified.
Was Nixon "persecuted" too? You can't claim that nomination as a candidate makes someone immune from prosecution.
No red herrings here, I'm merely pointing out where you're deflecting from your own side's shortcomings to "hurr durr durr whatabout Trump!?" Like anything the left does is OK because Trump happens to exist.
We don't have to worry about what Trump would do in power because we have FOUR YEARS OF IT. What social media platforms were jawboned into taking anything down? When did he create a censorship bureau, and when that got taken down over public outcry, outsourced it to other firms? You focus on the molehills of Trump rather than the mountains of Biden/Harris. That's the problem with you libs, you accuse Trump of what he SAYS and ignore what your side actually DOES.
Jan 6 was a rally that got out of hand. No one who isn't already on Team Blue cares.
The cases against Nixon had a lot more merit than those against Trump. The others against Trump at least relate to accusations of things that were crimes when they happened. Let those trials proceed--the one in New York was the worst kind of kangaroo court, with a biased Biden-donor judge, a jury that was told they didn't have to agree on a predicate crime, an AG/prosecutor who literally campaigned on getting Trump, and literally a trial for something that happened years ago timed for when campaign season got into gear. Is that all a coincidence? That's banana republic shit. If the accused were anyone other than the #1 candidate for the opposition, this wouldn't have sniffed the light of day.
Trump was right--they're after the ordinary American bitter clinger deplorable, he's just in the way.
Who can dictate who enters the US? That's called the "law," honey. If I were in charge we'd do a lot more than that, we'd fine the shit out of anyone caught employing illegals and anyone coaching then to lie on their forms. And work illegal immigrants who commit felonies to the bone to repay their debt to society.
You libs didn't care about trans anything until a few years ago. Just need something else with which to divide America, a country which you have repeatedly said is evil. No one takes you seriously.
Have you read about the ordeals the police officers protecting the Capitol went through on Jan 6? Could you look those officers in the eye, and call it "a rally that got out of hand"? Don't you think you should demand from Trump a commitment to not pardon anyone who assaulted a police officer>
So your point is, in 4 years, he only tried to overthrow democracy once, and it didn't work, so it's all good?
It still doesn't make this case honest. I don't see why anyone is obligated to shut up and take it because they aren't the only one ever to be railroaded.
"In any case, the case about the classified documents is a stronger one."
As I said, that one is free of the other machinations.
As far as the Capitol police, yes I've read about them, yes I can call it a rally that got out of hand, and yes Trump shouldn't pardon the small number that actually assaulted a police officer.
LOL overthrow democracy. I think another guy in a Viking helmet and another grandma in a wheelchair would have done it. "Democracy" wouldn't have been overthrown that day under any circumstances. Again, that's Dem partisan fear. Really no one outside the blue bubble cares.
So Trump's theft of classified documents, an act that could risk lives, is fine with you?
I haven't seen any clear commitment from Trump that he won't pardon those who assaulted police officers.
The rioting, in and of itself, was an attempt to overthrow democracy, but not a serious one. The serious ones were the efforts to throw the Presidential election into the House by preventing legitimate counting of electoral votes, and to "find" votes in Georgia.
I said the "theft of classified documents" is at least worth going to trial.
The great selfie stick riot was only an "attempt to undermine democracy" in the heads of fever dreamers. Selfish and stealing podiums while being ushered room to room.... that's why only partisan leftists care about Jan 6 nowadays.
Please tell me you have better!
We have to vote before it goes to trial.
Those who rioted had the goal of preventing the official counting of electoral votes, required so that the result of the Presidential election could take effect. But, yes, their chances of succeeding were slim. Have you stopped to think that, if Trump hadn't lied about having solid evidence the election was stolen, Ashli Babbitt would still be alive? That doesn't seem like a big deal to you?
I don't believe the election was stolen but with a million new procedures in place for the pandemic, yeah, anyone who said the election was the most secure ever needs their heads examined. Trump didn't tell Ashli Babbitt to climb the wall. He's not responsible for every one of his followers' actions. He told them to keep it peaceful and eventually to go home."
Suppose you lied to a guy and told him his wife was cheating on him, but he shouldn't get violent with her. But then he did get violent with her. Would you have no responsibility for that? I think it's comparable, when you convince a vet that democracy is being overthrown.
So your rock-solid defense of Trump is that changes were made due to the pandemic, so lets just assume they were made with an ulterior motive. No evidence, just assume.
If Republicans were saying, there are ways people could vote illegally. Let's tighten things up, and spend the money to make sure that doesn't make it harder for anyone to legally vote, I would totally support that. But, not what they're saying.
Yes, it is. It's the reason they don't hire all Bronx umpiring crews for a Yankees-Dodgers series, and take them on their word that they aren't biased. Anyone who isn't in the tank can acknowledge it.
"You seem convinced that, if Trump doesn't get special privileges, that means he's persecuted."
No. What special privileges have I asked for?
"I agree the judge should have told the jury the bootstrapping to felonies was a violation of the Bill of Rights."
That's a giant fucking omission. Should be enough for a mistrial. At least you acknowledge it, half the libs here are so Orange Man Bad they can't.
"But I don't think there's proof that the NY law in question was passed with the intent to go after Trump or Republicans."
It was massaged to go after Trump, that's all that matters. We agree on the facts of the case, I don't see how you can say this was right.
"I think it's comparable, when you convince a vet that democracy is being overthrown."
Anyone equating anything in the last few years with "democracy overthrown" is not living in reality. Where were the commandos that the left accuses the right of harboring? Waltzing down the halls stealing podiums and shitting on desks is not "overthrowing democracy."
"So your rock-solid defense of Trump is that changes were made due to the pandemic, so lets just assume they were made with an ulterior motive."
Think you're misinterpreting me. I'm not one of those people who says the election was stolen, though there are a ton of abnormalities that should not have happened. I'm saying they this lack of election safeguards is unacceptable. Nowhere else does mail in voting because it's insecure. Yet Dems screech that not having it is vOtEr sUpPrEsSiOn. Why the hostility to any kind of election integrity safeguards?
And yes, Republicans are pushing for voter ID and dead/moved voters taken off of rolls. Democrats are opposing they tooth and nail. There aren't many reasons why they would want to do this.
You really need to get your facts straight before making any kind of statement, especially one that is so easy to find an accurate statement,nine other countries offer no-excuse mail-in voting: Canada, Germany, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Poland, S. Korea, Switzerland, and the United Kingdom.
Now I’m not claiming anything other than the fact that mail in voting is available in other countries so you can do your own research and comment on whatever you like about the subject and I have no opinion on it except that it is available.
Democrats are still trying to remove every election integrity safeguard.
So claiming the most recent election was stolen is NOT claiming democracy was overthrown? In other news, water is falling from the sky, but it's not raining.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_vot…
What were some relevant abnormalities?
If you require X to vote, and many voters don't have X, and you don't give a shit they don't have X, yes, that's voter supression. In other news, 2 + 2 = 4.
https://www.acluga.org/sites/default/fil…
Bizarre example. What laws were twisted to convict the Nazis? Oh wait, those were actual bright-line crimes. In this country, due process is sacred, even when you aren't popular.
"So claiming the most recent election was stolen is NOT claiming democracy was overthrown?"
Correct, if you can distinguish by degree. You're confusing a September breeze with a vat of liquid helium. Democrats said the 2000 election was stolen, or 2004 voting machines stole the election. Have we charged Jesse Jackson or Al Gore or any of them over that? If not, why would you charge Trump?
"What were some relevant abnormalities?"
You're way over your skis if you want to claim the 2020 election was the mOsT sEcUrE eVeR with all the first-time pandemic adjustments. But let's start with this--observers removed from facilities, "found" ballots that seemed to skew Democrat, found non-resident ballots, broken chains of custody. We could get into things like ballot harvesting that add uncertainty (if not fraud) to the process too. All of this is well documented. Maybe it would or wouldn't have made the difference, but pointing these out is not some farfetched conspiracy theory.
"If you require X to vote, and many voters don't have X, and you don't give a shit they don't have X, yes, that's voter supression."
Which is why turnout INCREASED where it was suspected. To participate in modern civilization, shit, man, to get into the Democratic National Fucking Convention, you need a government ID. To buy a beer, to get on a plane. Voter suppression is just the left's all-purpose excuse for not winning elections. They're already crying Russia Russia Russia.
What are your sources for these supposed abnormalities?
"Which is why turnout INCREASED where it was suspected." What does that mean?
https://www.lwv.org/blog/whats-so-bad-ab…
"We examine how voter ID impacts the parties’ electoral fortunes in races at the state level (state legislatures and governorships) and federal level (United States Congress and president) during 2003 to 2020. Our results suggest negligible average effects but with some heterogeneity over time. The first laws implemented produced a Democratic advantage, which weakened to near zero after 2012. We conclude that voter ID requirements motivate and mobilize supporters of both parties, ultimately mitigating their anticipated effects on election results."
https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pn…
This is a top scientific journal, not a lib advocacy group.
I don't care of voter ID laws were used 60 years ago to suppress the black vote, that's ancient history. That's called "poisoning the well."
I'd be in favor of a free voter ID, easily, if it would give elections that everyone can have faith in. Is it oppression to require an ID to enter a government building (or DNC?) To buy a beer? To get on a plane? To drive a car? Your article's slant is obvious by them only citing liberal interest groups as hurt by this.
80% of voters, including 60% of Democrats support voter ID, including 64% of black, 77% of Hispanic, and 76% of low income. 33 of the 37 OECD nations do. Why is it uniquely oppressive here?
Why would you be against something that improves turnout in BOTH parties and increases faith in the vote?
Voter ID is a good safeguard as long as a person doesn't have to travel more than 20 minutes or so to get one. Hard to accomplish that in many cases for people who don't have cars. A compromise could be to also accept utility bills as ID. Arguments that the burden on voters doesn't fall disproportionately on Democrats doesn't make the burden OK. I'd agree that it's wrong if some people are abstaining from beer because they don't have reasonable access to the necessary ID.
Democrats are certainly not innocent of gerrymandering, and focusing efforts to make it easier to vote in places with concentrations of Democrats. But voting for Trump clearly will take the problem from bad to much worse. Ask yourself, why did the Republican Governor of Maryland make more of an effort to quickly get the National Guard to the Capitol on Jan. 6 than Trump did?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/lY8OYSNCr…
"But voting for Trump clearly will take the problem from bad to much worse. " It's my understanding for NatGuard local, governor handles it. Pelosi said on video it was her fault for the lack of security Trump requested. We can go round and round on this.
I'd be fine with alternative methods of ID so long as it keeps to one legal voter, one vote. But I doubt that someone who doesn't care about participation in society enough to get an ID would care enough to cast a vote.
A policy that everyone agrees on benefits both sides and more importantly faith in the system as a whole. I don't get why ANY safeguard, whether ID, in person voting, or reviewing rolls draws fire from the left, unless they are doing something untoward. All the documented irregularities of 2020 have both sides working the refs for this year.
Gerrymandering is a different issue and one that both sides have been content to do when they have power. If it were up to me it would all be done by a mathematical formula that only took into account density and convexity. But that means Democrats would have to give up majority-minority districts, which are historically favorable to them.
In POTUS elections, no results should be posted until the last Territory, America Samoa is closed.
When Paul Pelosi had his DWI crash in Napa, the guy he almost killed was paid-off including a non-discloser, and unlike the vast majority of Cop Cams, Pauli P's was buried by the police. Powerful people have their perks, right?
Show me the man, I'll show you the crime. This is how Stalin's crew worked.
We should use the Israeli system, without voting districts.
Proving your citizenship is a bigger can of worms. You'd have to give people time to do it, and help to get their birth certificate. But most illegals have a tax payer ID number, not a social security number, so they could easily be caught if they tried to register.
The thing is, all these vulnerabilities existed from day one of Trump's administration. His lack of action on them shows he wanted an excuse, not a real reason, to explain claims of election fraud.
Saying it was the fairest election ever may well be true. But, there are potential vulnerabilities that have never been fully addressed. And no real evidence of ballot box stuffing was found, that was all pure bullshit. Reforms after the problems in 2000 and 2024 have greatly increased the security and reliability of only counting ballots that were actually voted by a nominal voter. Unsolicited ballots are only sent to registered voters. I guess someone could fish them out of the trash. But, if that was common, you'd get cases where the person threw it away because they voted in person. So you'd see the double votes.
The thing about Pelosi declining security has been debunked. LE actually did arrest, before the protest, many people who had a history of violence or threats. The people who got violent had no known history of doing so. Trump can get a pass on not preventing it, but not on his failure to even try to act quickly in response. Most of the people who were violent don't really support Trump, they don't think he's extreme enough. But there were some who would not have been violent if they didn't believe there was clear proof the election was stolen. That is on Trump.
Trump was only stopped from taking more extreme measures by a threat of mass resignation the Justice Department: https://apnews.com/article/capitol-siege… . He has no loyalty to any principles, so he was blindsided by people he appointed not having unquestioned loyalty to him. He's made it clear, if reelected, he's going clean house of anyone who has principles other than abject loyalty to him personally.
The thread has moved on but not sure how you could read what I wrote and think I said he was innocent.
@ilbbaicnl - You linked to a leftist advocacy group that of course is going to cite exactly what they want to see. Every illegal vote cancels out a legal vote. The left acts like anything that increases the number of voters is prima facie a good thing.
In 2016, 136.75 million people voted in presidential elections; in 2020, 158.38 million people voted. Clearly if Trump was suppressing voters, it didn't work. In Georgia, 6.714 million registered in 2016, 7.234 million in 2020, including 2.049 million black voters vs. 2.179 million. These numbers do not support a claim of voter suppression.
"We should use the Israeli system, without voting districts."
Israel is a nation of 9 million people, the size of New Jersey. The Constitution is pretty clear that the US is a union of states. If we had a national election, rather than state-by-state recounts, we would have recounts in every district and chaos as an army of lawyers descends on it. Yeah, a national popular vote might be "fair," but it comes with its own hurdles and is not constitutional.
"His lack of action on them shows he wanted an excuse, not a real reason, to explain claims of election fraud."
You're contradicting yourself. Did Trump promote voter suppression or not? You can't have it both ways.
"Saying it was the fairest election ever may well be true."
It beggars belief that anyone would say that, with a million new procedures put in place for COVID. Doesn't mean Trump would have one, but new procedures are not clean.
"And no real evidence of ballot box stuffing was found, that was all pure bullshit."
Not an answer. New ballots that ran disproportionately for Biden were found in many places. Ballots are being sent to nursing homes and other places where people are not able to vote for themselves.
"But there were some who would not have been violent if they didn't believe there was clear proof the election was stolen. That is on Trump."
That's your opinion. In fact, Trump told them to pack up and go home. Trump is not responsible for everything his supporters do. That's more Orange Man Bad.
"He's made it clear, if reelected, he's going clean house of anyone who has principles other than abject loyalty to him personally."
This happens everywhere in the corporate world, and in the federal government, goes back to the beginning. No one wants employees that will undermine there agenda at every step of the way. If anything, Trump had a lot of disloyal people on board, and it's harder to remove them due to federal service protections. The left makes it sound like Trump is going to replace everyone who disagrees him with a mindless slave--well, did he do that in his first term? If he didn't, there's no reason to believe he would in the second. This is yet more TDS to hide Harris' doublespeak and failures in her current office.
https://tuscl.net/discussion/76367
@ilbbaicnl has been civil and factual, you're not mentally or morally fit to judge a thing about me.
Please carry a potted plant around to replace the oxygen you steal from the atmosphere.
The Constitution has 27 amendments. Mindless insistence in not changing the Constitution is itself unconstitutional.
Trump only told them to go home as a CYA, when the riot failed to lead to martial law.
Exactly, Trump is going to put in people who are loyal to his intention to make his word law.
If one illicit vote is cast, one legal vote has been nullified.
"The Constitution has 27 amendments."
And until it is amended, it is the clear cut law of the land, not a suggestion to be disregarded when inconvenient. Want a national popular vote, pass an amendment or don't complain.
"Trump only told them to go home as a CYA"
Glad you know what he thinks. Contorting yourself so you can say Orange Man Bad.
"Exactly, Trump is going to put in people who are loyal to his intention to make his word law."
Good. Democrats are allowed to, why are Republicans not?
You have to have a complaint first, otherwise there's no reason to amend (duh).
True, I can't. But why else did he wait till the Pentagon finally allowed the Guard to be deployed, before telling rioters to go home?
No President, of any party, should appoint office holders because they are willing to break the law.
Not sure where you got "Stalinist" from, that's just name calling, but I favor one legal individual, one vote. One illegal vote cancels out one legal vote.
"You have to have a complaint first, otherwise there's no reason to amend (duh)."
Nothing is stopping you. The idea of a national popular vote has been around forever, along with liberal kvetching about it.
"True, I can't. But why else did he wait till the Pentagon finally allowed the Guard to be deployed, before telling rioters to go home?"
You should have stopped after the first sentence. We'll never know.
"No President, of any party, should appoint office holders because they are willing to break the law."
So because they support Trump's agenda rather than the Democrats', they're breaking the law? Is the FBI (Strzok and Page) conspiring to stop Trump acceptable? Or the DoJ's blatant double standards of prosecution? Frankly, I hope Trump sweeps away the bureaucracy. The left's fear is that we'll see how unnecessary they truly are.
"Freedom of expression under Trumpist Republicans"
I'll see that, and raise you a government-sponsored censorship bureau, leaning on a social network of 2 billion, outsourcing censorship to outside agencies under the guise of "fact checking," and a President/VP candidate who have openly expressed hostility to freedom of speech. There's no equivalence.
DeSantis has the cops visiting homes of people who signed an abortion rights ballot petition. Sounds like something right out of 1984, a Marxist government watching people's every move.
True, your whining about me just making a proposal is not stopping anything, but it's annoying, and make you sound dumb.
If I see a flag flying, I know the wind is blowing, even if I can't see the wind. In the same way, I know Trump actions were either malicious or incredibly incompetent, without being able to read his mind. So I'll give you that, he could hypothetically be incompetent, not malicious. But, I doubt he's that incompetent.
No, they'd be breaking the law in ways similar to those listed in Jack Smith's indictment.
The Biden Administration ask (improperly in many cases) asked social media companies to take down posts, and those companies willingly complied. Private websites, newspapers etc. have the right not to publish material from third parties. Trump carried out the practical remedy for that, he started his own website. That isn´t comparable to somebody showing up a your door with a gun on their hip because you signed a petition. The cost-effective first step in confirming signatures is a letter or a phone call. This is a clear attempt to intimidate. Florida cops should prioritize going after Florida men high on bath salts.
Horribly twisted and irrelevant analogy. Not sure who's talking about putting anyone in jail.
"True, your whining about me just making a proposal is not stopping anything"
You're the one whining here. If it means that much to you, start the petition.
"In the same way, I know Trump actions were either malicious or incredibly incompetent,"
All idle speculation with little impact on Americans' lives now
"No, they'd be breaking the law in ways similar to those listed in Jack Smith's indictment."
Specifically which ones?
"The Biden Administration ask (improperly in many cases) asked social media companies to take down posts, and those companies willingly complied. "
Courts have ruled that such "jawboning" constitutes an implied threat
https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court…
Yeah just as his doppleganger random/rumdummoron/member was the premiere kool aide drinking leftist shill in his day wild4testes is today's version of more of the same bullshit.
🍊 ♂️ Believers be like....
This is more of a subtle warning. If gov't is "asking" you do something, it's like Don Corleone making an offer you can't refuse.
The WH claims they are negotiating with Big Pharma to lower prices. It's more that they are telling Big Pharma what to charge and what lobbying influence will result in. There is no negotiating. When the DOJ prosecutes, they have unlimited resources. A lot of people can't defend themselves as can someone like DJT.
If Harris wins, we know we'll have 4 more years of the same, regardless of what she is saying "today", and probably worse for Americans. If Trump wins, Americans will probably do better based on his first 4 years. A LOT depends on Congress and the Deep State bureaucracies.
The path we are on is not sustainable.
Yeah wild4testes, like you have credibility? LMAO
You have zero credibility ball sucker.
Oh my there's that name calling again Lol
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