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Please don't suck, please don't suck, please don't suck. Crossing my fingers.

This club has been talked about some before. We had a man here who worked for them.

The best clubs are run loose in the front room, so there can be a Front Room Feel Up And Make Out Session with the girl you select. And then usually this will mean FS. If not ITC, then by immediate OTC.

Not sure if this club qualifies.

SJG

^^^^^ Front Room Make Out Session, just like in a civvie night club. But in a civvie night club it will have to stay in the PG-13 envelope.

In a strip club, depending on the metro, it might be able to go a lot further in the front room.

SJG

Yes, we know your opinion is FRMOS are the best. You've mentioned it plenty of times.

For myself a club doesn't need to have girls who want to do that for it to be a good experience to me. Which is a good thing to me, since most the clubs I go to I don't see any girls making out with customers in the front room.

There are accounts of FRMOSs in US clubs in this board's reviews, and as we have videos of such in TJ Clubs.

Consider, suppose you met a girl in a civvie night club, and decided you wanted to make it happen with her. Wouldn't you move as quickly as feasible to kiss her?

The problem is that most US clubs are too restrictive, they are just wallet hoovering machines.

And then the appeal of strip clubs seems to be that the women are seen by most of the patrons as being of a lower social order, different from other women.

I don't know if this Gold Club even rates though. Good though that it has got its own slut wear store.

SJG

I don't think it's smart to use TJ clubs as a comparison. Those are BROTHELS, of course it's easier to get a girl to kiss there.

And sure there are accounts of kissing in US clubs but it is very rare. And the reviews I read that mention any kissing are done in VIP rooms, not out in the open. This tells me that your chances of getting a girl to kiss in the front room is extremely low in most clubs. As has been discussed numerous times but you seem to have blinders on to this fact, most dancers consider kissing more intimate than other services such as handjobs or blowjobs.

As far as your hypothesis that the women in strip clubs are seen as lower, I disagree. I've seen you draw that conclusion based on almost zero evidence about me, Drew, and a handful of other posters. Seems you are now assuming that most men feel this way.

There is some mention of front room kissing in US Clubs. I admit though that these reviews are rare. But in real life it is more common than the reviews would lead you to believe. So in most clubs the chances are not necessarily that low. Not that low if played out well, even in the Evil Empire's Flagship, S. F. Centerfolds.

Dancers will say they don't do it. But actual experience offsets this.

If you like the girl and want to be banging her in your own bed ASAP, aren't you going to try and kiss her.

And the fact that most strip club patrons decline to try and get the girls into bed, and decline to try and DFK them, doesn't that mean that they see them as being of some lower order than civvie night club women?

SJG

'And the fact that most strip club patrons decline to try and get the girls into bed, and decline to try and DFK them, doesn't that mean that they see them as being of some lower order than civvie night club women?'

No, it doesn't mean that. I bet if the dancer made it extremely clear that she was down to kiss or fuck, most customers would follow through exstatically.

I think most customers would assume the girl isn't into them like that. She's at work doing her job, which is to be charming and nice, even if she thinks you are ugly and unattractive. And so they're content with paying for dances and enjoying the contact and leaving it at that. This doesn't mean that customer thinks of the dancer as lower worth.

I mean you're not alone in wanting to 'make it happen' with the girls. From reading stripper web and the subreddit r/stripper I see plenty of complaints from the dancers about how to handle guys trying to see them outside the club. And I've seen success stories from guys who successfully took out a dancer outside the club. So guys are definitely trying. Just because some guys don't bother trying doesnt give the right to assume they must think of the dancers as a subclass.

Well, the girls at civvie night clubs can be kissing, sucking, and fucking. Maybe no t immediately, but soon enough.

If approached the right way, strip club women can be gotten into such territory as well. They are always kissing each other and women customers.

And if they want to lock down otc with a guy, kissing is not that rare.

And if there is a known big spender in the house, kissing is common.

And besides, don't you want to get girls to open up with you?

In most all clubs there are plenty of girls who do OTC.

The best we have are our underground clubs, and there most all the girls do all the OTC they can get.

And there kissing is common if a guy wants to play it that way. I have found that it is best to become part of the show with them and start them with open tongue kissing.

SJG