FOSTA SESTA is Trumps best policy

Icey
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42 comments

  • Call.Me.Ishmael
    5 years ago
    Troll.
  • BitCoinHodler
    5 years ago
    Well it did bring FSSW into strip clubs right?
  • Icey
    5 years ago
    No hookers have always worked in clubs. But is fosta sesta a reason many of you support Trump so much?
  • PhatBoyHell
    5 years ago
    Lets get more hookers
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Is Trump the one who set up FOSTA SESTA, nothing like that before he?

    SJG
  • Icey
    5 years ago
    There were always anti trafficking laws but Trump is responsible for fosta sesta
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Enabl…

    But Sex Trafficking is defined so broadly that that probably is unconstitutional. But I would not want to be someone who gets hit with it. I am totally then opposed to FOSTA SESTA.

    SJG

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  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    ^^^ Because of Fosta Sesta, the operators of Portland's Xotispot bailed out, they got scared. That was a huge loss. and there was no trafficking there. It was just like a facebook for strippers, and where the club's pages could show the roster and be linked to the girls' profiles.

    SJG
  • Icey
    5 years ago
    It was more than that. There are very specific precepts imvolved with trafficking and yes it is complex akd goes beyond just sexual exploitation.
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    But the crime has no read definition, so Fosta is a huge problem.

    SJG
  • Icey
    5 years ago
    There are clear definitions. Its only a problem to those trying to do something illegal.

  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Not true, there are no clear definitions, and it is about trying to know what is in someone's head.

    Really abusing people is already unlawful. It is a redundant bully law.

    SJG
  • Icey
    5 years ago
    It's pretty clear. Legislation always is.
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    No, what constitutes trafficking is defined way too broadly, not defined at all. Same for the Traficking and Violence Against Women act from the Dubya Bush era.

    SJG

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  • Icey
    5 years ago
    A lot of things fall under trafficking to make it broadly enforceable. But the law is pretty straightforward
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    No it is not. Read in a book about this, a stock broker spends 1/2 his time in the US, doing his trading. Then the other half cashed out and resting in India. Is he a trafficking victim? And if he talks with people on an online forum about all this, is the forum operator a criminal?

    SJG

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  • Icey
    5 years ago
    Thats a ridiculous example. The law clearly states what trafficking is
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Show me

    SJG
  • Icey
    5 years ago
    https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-cong…

    You can look the act up and read it
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    "relating to sexual exploitation of children or sex trafficking"

    Sex trafficking means whatever they want it to mean, like driving a stripper GF to work, or using online to tell her about a new club.

    SJG
  • Icey
    5 years ago
    It means what the law prescribes
  • CC99
    5 years ago
    Nigga.

    Prostitution is amazing and I want it to be more widespread 😋😋😋😋
  • Icey
    5 years ago
    Its already everywhere
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    You know what the Trafficking Law is, its our version of the Mann Act.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mann_Act

    The last person they tried to prosecute under it was Charlie Chaplin.

    They are just making sex and sexual liaisons unlawful.

    Now with the "Trafficking" concept, no state lines or national borders need to be crossed.

    And with Fosta, the entire crime can be in cyberspace.

    They can bust whom ever they want anytime.

    SJG

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  • Icey
    5 years ago
    Its not about sex though and even if prostitution were decriminalized solicitation wouldn't be
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    No, the Trafficking laws are only applied when there is somehow sex. The Mann Act criminalized anyone who transports a woman, not their wife, "for immoral purpose". The Trafficking laws and the online version, Fosta, is the same thing.

    SJG
  • Icey
    5 years ago
    Trafficking applies to people trafgicked for cheap labor domestic servitude adoption etc as well. Its not just about prostitution and sex slavery
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    The laws are never enforced unless it is sexual.

    And then I gave the example of the bi-national stock broker. People only get exercised about it when it is sexual.

    It is really the same thing as the Mann Act, trying to legislate sexual morality.

    SJG
  • Icey
    5 years ago
    No theyre enforced even when it isn't. Your example wasn't human trafficking
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    No one enforces trafficking laws when they are not sexual.

    And the Mann Act amounted to the same thing. Fortunately now thrown into the trash bin of our history.

    SJG
  • Icey
    5 years ago
    They do. Slavery is addressed
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Show me a case where the Trafficking and violence against women act is being enforced which is not sexual.

    And the basic form of trafficking, according to that law, does not have to involve m*n*rs, force, fraud, or coercion. And there are no specified lines you have to cross. It carries a 10 year penalty, and sex workers will be encouraged to claim it to get their T and U Visas. They only have to claim moderate distress, not anything extreme.

    4 part series, and she had to claim nearly nothing.
    https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/DIAR…

    The Mann Act was used completely recklessly, trying to regulate adult consensual sexual behavior, used against Charlie Chaplin. Started with totally unsubstantiated rumors of "White Slavery", mostly just driven by anti-Chinese prejudice.

    SJG
  • Icey
    5 years ago
    General anti trafficking laws do it.
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Yes, but these laws are really just based on prejudice and sexual moralisms. Like the Mann Act they could be found to be unconstitutional.

    SJG
  • Icey
    5 years ago
    The Mann act was amended. Its not what it was in the early 1900s
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    It is no longer used. I think the last was Charlie Chaplin.

    But it, like Fosta was always a bum deal, stupid law, just bullying.

    Saying that adult women cannot consent to sex work.

    Then anyone who has contact with them could be charged.

    SJG
  • Icey
    5 years ago
    You can't consent to illegal labor.
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    People can consent to anything. But if you mean that some rights are considered so basic that they cannot be signed away, true.

    But FOSTA SESTA is just stupid law, giving LE great power when no crime has been defined.

    T-RUMP was spreading ass for the Right of his own party.

    SJG
  • Icey
    5 years ago
    But it clearly defines the crime.
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Negative, Fosta Sesta is far removed from actual prostitution. It is totally unclear who is and who is not subject to the law.

    SJG
  • Icey
    5 years ago
    It is clear
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    Negative, anyone who is communicating with mobile sex workers could be charged with a major federal felony.

    SJG
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