On my way to the projects in Austin so I can see what a neighborhood with prosti

Maybe you just wanna be bout that life

its all good baby girl you just do you

I'm fascinated by gangs drugs and prostitutes idk I just wanna see it live once in my life...pretty sure that just has a lot to do with my interests in ethnography and social welfare policy lol

Lol like a tour bus?

And to our right we have the teenage smack heads

To our left is some gun shots and a fucked up housing project

Be careful nicole, i don't want to hear about you in the news.

No I'm.going walking by myself lol:)

I forgot my pepper spray at home ugh but I'm.sure I'll b ok cuz evryone tlaked about how police cleaned the place up and how jts muchhhh better

Forgot my pepper spray at home but I feel like I'll be ok..lol..ppl talk about low income areas so much like its scary but I'm pretty sure as long as there is no serious violence in this place which I dont think there is I'll b fine

The only areas that are legitimately scary are the ones with violent gangs...and those r rare lol

I did my makeup real nice and wore a nice pretty body fitting comfy sleeveless dress too cuz its Saturday and might go to park later

Don’t worry about that pepper spray. That shit just tastes good to a drugged up rapist. Kind of like sprinkling pepper on the meat he is about to consume. You’re best off without it. I hope you didn’t put a bra on under that tight fitting dress.

"I forgot my pepper spray at home ugh but I'm.sure I'll b ok cuz evryone tlaked about how police cleaned the place up and how jts muchhhh better

Forgot my pepper spray at home but I feel like I'll be ok..lol..ppl talk about low income areas so much like its scary but I'm pretty sure as long as there is no serious violence in this place which I dont think there is I'll b fine."

You don't need pepper spray, you're going to need a gun.

I bet anything it was okay. Most people just mind their own business like anywhere else.

I have escorted my nurses in these areas frequently. Never bothered really. Even when I go to strip clubs in the shittiest of shit hole towns, I can say that I have never been accosted even though I CLEARLY look like I do not belong. My major concern is that those who shoot their cheap ass 22 or high point 9 mm Gats are SHITTY Marksmen; my luck would be that they miss their intended target and hit me with their stray bullet.

Oh great you're going out of your way to find trouble, have fun, I hope you can get yourself out of trouble, as easily as you can get into it.

Umm icey no. When you're a young female who gets dolled up. you will get stopped constantly by any and all men in these neighborhoods . but if youre not a girl who likes to follow.up.then.umm.ya you're fine like u said

Anyway, today was interesting for me. I.would like to write about it but I'll do that if I have time. I had a conversation with a gangster..i made sure to make eye contact with him from far away first to.promote him to.come and.tlk to.me.which he did which I wanted him to do b/c I wanted to see how gangsters are like

Ultimately I saw families jut doing their business, one guy randomly telling me to get in.his car which didn't surprise me cuz I always do my homework amd the reviews for.that apartment said that guys will tell u randomly to.get In their cars cuz sex can.be bought in the area...but I wasn't scared cuz that's different than being forceful which he didn't do.. saw a group for ppl super fucking drunk or on drugs or both in parking lot of auto shop with one of the girls twerking ...made me think How do ppl even behave like this ..

Then saw a white girl whose face looked hard from drugs randomly nod to.this guy idk it was the first time I think I saw a real life ghetto prostitute like I wanted to.strike a convo with her sooo bad so I could further probe about her life / see what these old white women prostitutes on drugs are like just for five mins... .
I didn't get 2 to do there ..was too scared to go up to her and talk to her she looked kinda out of it or totally unapproachable with no expression. On her face or both...


Mom wasn't happy when I told her I went there lol...but apparently that wasn't the most ghetto area so next weekend after finals I want to go to a more ghetto area just to see wat it's like..

Just one or 2 more neighborhoods then I'm done ( with Austin lol..like if I go back to Dallas I'm gonna do the same thing just once )

K

Everything on TUSCL should be considered a work of fiction.

I hate when assholes treat a human dwelling as if its some sort of safari

Yeah well that wasnt me..more just like investigating

If you ever want to get dolled up and walk the streets and need someone to make you feel safe and shit while you do it....let me know!!!!



Remember this though, what you see isn't endemic of the neighborhoods. The vast majority of the people are just doing the best they can with what they have....trying to make an honest living in a dishonest system.

@iceyy do u feel like I was "taking a safari" in this area

Remember this though, what you see isn't endemic of the neighborhoods. ..yes it is the.fuck lmao? You urself.just told me to hit.up if I wamna get dolled up ajd walk around

No ome.is denying that many of them work.hard to make ends meet. But along with that comes a shitty behavior and culture, which results I'm things like cars frequently broken into (I.g. nonviolent theft) and girls constantly getting hollered at by me b on streets just for fucking glammimg up but not looming slutty all..

Sorry but poor people don't know any better.tjerr are many thst don't do this, but that doesbt chsnge the fact that what I said goes in in many low income neighborhoods soooo

@Nicole, no. I think you were genuinely interested. "Taking a safari" would preclude that you went for the intent and purpose of mocking the people you see, viewing it as a comedic or ironic adventure. I think wanting to see how others live and observe different parts of town is a good thing. You learn from it.

Well, I'd holler at you too if I saw you walking down the street... lol

I don't believe shitty behavior is class related though.

Remember this though, what you see isn't endemic of the neighborhoods. .

.yes it is the.fuck lmao? I JUST experienced it, and so have many other women who have been in low income neighborhoods across the country ..like everyone knows cat calling is a big thing In these areas ...

No one.is denying that many of them work.hard to make ends meet. But along with that comes a shitty behavior and culture, which results In things like cars frequently broken into (I.g. nonviolent theft but youre dumb if u dont think thats not an issue cuz no one wants their property damaged by other humans) and girls constantly getting hollered at by men on streets just for fucking glammimg up but not looking slutty all..

Sorry but poor people don't know any better.there are many thst don't do this, but that doesbt change the fact that what I said goes in in many low income neighborhoods soooo *************************

Oh ok..definitely not taking this ad s comic thing...


No one is free from sin icey . no one human is angel....but tell me.what is so bsd that goes on in wealthy communities ? Btw I'm talking about the average rich neighborhood (median income over 120k) not Hollywood ones cuz im.comparing it to the average poor neighborhood.

Yeah kids do.coke..ya domestic violence goes on. But that shot goes on everywhere , nothing new.

What you don't see in well eductaed neighborhoods is cat calling and property crime as being considered normal?

Being hit on is common anywhere though. You can be hit on at an expensive mall just as much as at a swap meet.

Thus, I'm upper middle middle class neighborhoods, you don't see your liberty and possessions at risk by someone who had no right to.them. just as a result of you living there.


That's actually my main point ^

Wealthy neighborhoods have more police protection and private security, higher rates of home ownership, so people have a vested interest in protecting their property. Also wealth isn't related to education.

But you get crime, murders....etc. White collar crime hurts more people and impacts lives more negatively than a ghetto robbery.

1) umm yeah. Being hit on different than people telling you to come In their cars. Being hit on can be a guy approaching you like a decent human being asking to talk to you. .no one goes " oh Damn girl" in a rich mall...they might APPROACH U and . say hi...hi is a fucking normal way of starting a convo....they do not HOLLER at you And thus scream at you.


2) btw..getting hit on in a rich mall is rare.....ppl.might look at u for.looking pretty even then people tend to look and not stare for LONG PERIODS OF TIME.

so um the extent to which you get "hit on" in a rich mall is signficantly lower in terms of the amount of people , as well ad length of interaction cuz no one fucking gawks at you. Compared to. street where getting hawked st is actually a thing, and where people.people cat call...again, cat calking is different than gettinh hit on.


Hitting on is saying hi to starting convo cux someone looks good.if that isn't the definition of hitting on then sorry, it doesnt occur in the malls you talk.about it. If it does, it is not the NORM, but it is in low imcome commumities

White collar crime hurts more people and impacts lives more negatively than a ghetto robbery.

White crime by CEO'S. There's a reason I saif average upler middle class neighborhood..where many of.them arent CEO's lmao

so people have a vested interest in protecting their property. ...


What does that have to do with the fact that thr demogrpahics of people who ruin others people property = low income

so people have a vested interest in protecting their property. ...



Everyone wants to.protect their property...shirty even in my neighborhood no one is rich enough to.have security cameras or proper protection but u don't see theft as the regular lmao.

Cat calling= doing something disrespectful= honking at u, gawking at u, suggesting u should get in car of stranger


Looking at( but not gawking or staring ).cuz u look pretty /saying.hi when you are close to.them.without them.randomly approaching u from.FAR AWAY= not Cat calling , but maybe flirt...flirting isn't. Getting hit on or being cat called

No one says "Damn girl" from far away In the mall lmao

Hitting on= goes on in street as an actual NORM.

^ Or graffiti or generally filthy conditions making it unpleasant for everyone in the neighborhood, not trying to be racist or classist, just pointing out what is tolerated in those neighborhoods wouldn’t be tolerated in an average trailer park.

Icey. Inhernet in the definition of culture is "norms" look.it up. You determine culture by looking at the expectation, norms ..(I.g. EVERY DAY BEHAVIOR).


While guys in a wealthy financial district might whisper something sexy in a girls ear, the DISTINGUISHING FACTOR is that such a whisper is not THE NORM. IT IS NOT A Daily, REGULAR THING...it is rare . But it is a NORM OR REGULAR THING to have things said to u like that on street.

K

You have to look at why poor neighborhoods are that way.... Most of the time its due to poor city services in said areas and property owners who act as slumlords.

Also, criminals will flock to where they can get away with crime, which usually equates to poor neighborhoods.

Look at gangs for example.... You can have a few square blocks with 500 people, they're unarmed civilians. Add 40 gang members with guns and its like an occupation style system. There are complex problems at work.

I wouldn't vilify the majority of the people, who just want to do the best they can given what they have.

Also, criminals will flock to where they can get away with crime, which usually equates to poor neighborhoods..


They don't need to flock anywhere when they already live in the same neighborhoods which crimes are committed lol

wouldn't vilify the majority of the people, who just want to do the best they can given with what they have.

I'm not vilifying them..but their culture which allows a significantly higher number of.people to drink/do drugs on the regular and cat call women


Like I said many of them are hardworking and don't do that but if you want to look at a culture , loom.at its norms.

But at the same we as a society might be responsible for perpetuating that culture as well by making it harder to move up but idk.

So idk it might go both ways**

Not really, most crime in poor areas takes place at the fringes. Boundary areas where most criminal money is made, ie where middle and upper class people go to buy drugs, solicit prostitutes....where chop shops get parts, things like that.

Cultural norms in poor areas are the same as anywhere... but certain behaviors are a product of social, economic and political alienation.


I'm not saying these are great places to live, but there are reasons as to why they are that way.

but certain behaviors are a product of social, economic and political alienation.


Yeah...cuz cat calling and damaging other.poor peoole's property and causing them to have to find the $$ that they dont have to compensate for recklessness is anyone but the perpetator's fault.

What do you mean. By:
A) social isolation ..and B) how do you find that to be a PROXIMAL CAUSE of the behaviors mentioned.


Not really

Oh really...we are going to ignore the very obvious and commonly known fact that the poorer that one area is, that generally correlated to more crimes occurring ?

Not really.....definitely not in a legal sense, damaging other's property doesn't make it vandalism....the slumlords have insurance though.

Being alienated from mainstream society, geographically, socially, economically due to educational, linguistic etc barriers is a proximate(not proximal) cause of behaviors found outside of the mainstream. For example, its why ethnic or class based enclaves exist.

The highest crime rates tend to occur in tourist and night life corridors.

For example, its why ethnic or class based enclaves exist


K. Still doesn't change the fact that property crime and cat calling occur significantly more in low.income.areas, which says a lot about the culture

damaging other's property doesn't make it vandalism..uhh, I never said it did.?

I've never witnessed actual cat calling.

Property crime is a vague concept. It just means a crime committed to get something that serves as or provides a financial benefit to the perpetrator. Insurance fraud and securities fraud are property crimes just as stealing a car is.

Property crime is a vague conceptits not a vague concept.

While there are debates about should and should not be property crime , it doesnt change the fact that there are finite, specific number of offenses that fall under property crime.

to clarify that I was not talking about a vague concept but rather a specific criminal offense , I'll remind you that by" property crime " I was referring to cars being broken into on the daily.

ps: you're sexier than a waifu pillow!

As well as apartments being broken into much more frequently than lower income areas.

again cars being broken into is most common in night life and tourist corridors.

I don't know about apartment burglaries.... I think newly gentrified areas are the hardest hit

P.s- thw fact that im hotter than a waiting pillow doesn't change the fact that apartments and cars get broken into one the daily in lower income areas, but although they occur in higher income income areas, they are relatively rarer occurrences there

again cars being broken into is most common in night life and tourist corridors.

I never denied that. Donald trump being wealthy doesn't change the fact that someone earing 250 k is still rich.

By the same obvious logic, the fact that they occur the most in tourist areas doenst change the fact they occur at statistically significant high rate in lower income areas compared to higher income areas

"again cars being broken into is most common in night life and tourist corridors."

I never denied that. Donald trump being wealthy doesn't change the fact that someone earing 250 k is still rich.

By the same obvious logic, the fact that they occur the most in tourist areas doenst change the fact they occur at statistically significant high rate in lower income areas compared to higher income areas.

I don't know about apartment burglaries

Yeah, we they people who have experienced living in such areas would know about them. And if you haven't experienced it, consider yourself lucky:)

The fact that your hotter than a waifu pillow is relevant

They occur in areas where you have less policing, less garages and security cameras. Poverty itself doesn't correlate with crime however unemployment rates do. and the unemployed are more likely to be poor due to said unemployment

Poverty itself doesn't correlate with crime

Sure it doesn't. I'm sure that is a logical statement to make when things like cars and apwrtments being broken into or stolen from occur at much higher rates than non impoverished areas, right ?

For instances , the lower income ciities in Austin where median income is 30 K have crime rates that are higher than the city's average, nd 97 % higher than national average.I can even paste the link.

The areas are easier targets coz of less policing, lack of security cameras, poor lighting, neglected streets, proximity to abandoned areas etc. Plus more common types of cars that parts can be sold for easily.

Links don't matter. You can find anything to justify your points or refute them.

And I'm not familiar with Austin

The areas are easier targets coz of less policing, lack of security cameras, poor lighting, neglected streets, proximity to abandoned areas etc.

Oh yah. That's why it isnt just the areas...but Ut also that the perpetrators of these very crimes are of low income right ? Lmao


Links don't matter

No,but statistics that show the difference in crime rates are.

And I'm not familiar with Austin


Austin is an example..same.pattern applies to other cities

Not really.

Say opposing counsel represents a slumlord. The case is in San Francisco. The slumlord has been tried for slumlord shit in Chicago, fined by the city, etc. A judge can easily find all of that irrelevant to the case at hand in San Francisco.

" Add 40 gang members with guns and its like an occupation style system."

So you admit that gangs essentially occupy neighborhoods?

Nicole is right that low income areas just have a lot more random crime that isn't always necessarily gang related. Violent and property. You can take a walk around my neighborhood at 2:00 in the morning and feel perfectly safe but there's no way in hell I'd do that in a ghetto area. Its irrational to let political correctness get in the way of taking reasonable measures to ensure your safety.

If you want to make a neighborhood better, enforce quality of life crimes, little things like garbage dumping, urinating in alleyways, maintaining the sidewalk in front of your home or business, those little things make a big difference. Think about it reasonably, after you eat dinner you don't dump the remains on the floor, you'll end up with a vermin infestation, if you come to my neighborhood, we mandate trash be put out at specific times, nothing wrong with cleaning up a block, that's just living like a person, has very little to do with income, or race, the rest of this is just making excuses for people being too lazy or too selfish, to respect their neighbors. Do that and most neighborhoods become liveable, and peaceful.

Say opposing counsel represents a slumlord. The case is in San Francisco. The slumlord has been tried for slumlord shit in Chicago, fined by the city, etc. A judge can easily find all of that irrelevant to the case at hand in San Francisco


...that's why im not talking about slumlords In cases? If u wanna be irrelevant then just dont talk lol

I agree with @twentyfive. Having an environment where little crimes like graffiti all over the walls and garbage is everywhere just creates a certain atmosphere. I think graffiti that paints a real picture can be fine. I'm sure some building owners actually intentionally allow it in the artsy parts of a city but for example, this kind of graffiti creates a criminal atmosphere...

https://www.houstontx.gov/antigang/image…

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/A18W1H/gang-gr…

I think its probably just difficult to enforce those crimes though when you've got a neighborhood where somebody gets shot every week.

@cc99. Shot every week? Come play in some of the areas I am around. More like 5-15 shot a day and an AVERAGE of 1 shot AND killed every other day. That is what scares me.... the number of stray bullets flying around.

@CC I think you missed my point, in my neighborhood it’s not tolerated by my neighbors or myself, if you want to live in a decent area you need to be able to stop crap behavior, we don’t need the cops to pick up the garbage, and if you’re not part of the solution you are the problem. If you see folks loitering for illicit purposes that’s where you cal the cops if there’s garbage you pick it up and put it in a proper container. If there are kids or adults tagging use your camera video them and turn it over to authorities, problem in the neighborhoods that are being discussed bad behavior is tolerated, change attitude then you change behavior. Let these folks that live there get outraged about the bums and the bums will be forced to leave.

@nicole you're comments clearly shown your intent to stroll through a ghetto just to make snarky observations and just be "fascinated" by the lifestyle and make your holier than though judgments and justifications on why a ghetto is what it is. You want a safari, go to Disneyland, with all your hypocrisy.

^ legit criticism

just to make snarky observations

Umm no I had my own thoughts about the ghetto before j went. Llike I said..I wanted to see prostitutes and gangsters not to bring light to these thoughts bit just to see them up close OBJECTIVELY.

K.

@DC water do u think

What. Do u think **

Did you see any prostitutes? Did you see any gangsters?

@25 I agree with you about those kind of basic rules needing to be enforced. Once they are, people start building more pride in their surroundings and feel a more vested interest in their neighborhood because they make an effort and put work into making it better. That kind of civic pride and community development is cheap and works. Neighborhood policing efforts easily help with organizing stuff like that, but they're being abandoned because some see it as being "soft on crime" when cops work with the community. Also, believe it or not, absentee property owners and slumlords oppose such measures on their properties. However, some cities, like Chicago, San Francisco, Las Vegas now fine property owners who refuse to help the fight against urban blight.


@Estafador, I think Nicole is naive and lacks real world experience but she's not malicious...

@CC, Plenty of people outside at 2am in ghettos in 24 hour cities. They walk to and from work, public transportation, etc and are just fine. Your odds of getting shot by a cop or harassed by a security guard in a wealthy neighborhood are higher.

@Nicole, I gave you great advice. Take it more graciously. Your premise is that you went to a ghetto, was catcalled and saw ruined property. Therefore its dangerous and full of crime. Said property could have easily been in a state of disarray because owners didn't have funds to repair it, etc. Were the streets dirty? Were there public trash cans and or sweepers present? Does that reflect a lack of city resources in the area? Prostitutes and gangsters are just people....how do you propose they look differently that made you want to look at them up close? lol


The problem I'm reading is..... What do you really fear about the ghetto? What about the people makes them scary to you? How do you identify who you should or should not be afraid of in the ghetto?

you great advice. Take it more graciously. Your premise is that you went to a ghetto, was catcalled and saw ruined property. Therefore its dangerous and full of crime

Ummm no thats not my premise. I am not saying it is fully of crime because of what I saw..I never said I actually saw ruined property ? Lmao smh...twisting my words

I said they are full of crime bot because of anything.I saw but because THE RATES OF CRIME ARE HIGHER in part due to the number of incidents and arrests reported in low income vs middle class areas.

Lmao if you aren't citing official statistics , I wonder what your claims are based off of? Experice? Good cuz mine are too..Lmao..except I have stats in addition to that whereas you don't.

Nicole, did you see any prostitutes? Did you see any gangsters?

Nicole, you modified the context by implication then backtracked saying those weren't your exact words. You alluded to a history of what occurred and claimed safety from said statements via semantic chicanery. Your written communication acts as a tangible representation of said implications.

Your written communication acts as a tangible representation of said implications.


Oh really? Then copy and paste. My written communication that I said my statements were based on what I saw..

Cuz here is what I said in earlier in comment that show I was talking about reported crime :

No,but statistics that show the difference in crime rates are.( I also said I could provide links to the stats ).

You're alluding/implying throughout the thread. Enough so that you make said implications act as presumed statements of fact. Thus as tangible representations of said implications. Your content is irrelevant, your argumentation doesn't rely on it. It relies on semantics. Stats are only useful when used within their intended and temporal contexts.

Stats are only useful when used within their intended and temporal contexts.

What I said was based on stats confirmed by the people living there lol..those areas are known by everyone to have cars constantly broken into due to the testimonies of many ppl who have lived there.

And yeah..this is a context where stats would apply. Crime rates are an indicator of frequency /level of crime. Clearly you don't agree..so where are you getting your info.from? I wonder if it is more reliable than the crime rates that are consistent with the testimonies of people who have loved in those areas which is what mine is based on?

Lmao.icey doesnt think crime rates are reliable to assess frequency/level of crime...

.no one said they are perfect, but if you think your sources are any better, where is your information coming from? Lmao

I’m thinking that the criticism of you Nicole is based on the fact that young guys and gals living in a lower income neighborhood think you’re looking at them as if they were exhibits at a zoo, there’s absolutely no reason for sightseeing tours in these areas, they are home to a lot of folks it’s really not nice to imply otherwise.

Nicole1994 walking through the ghetto in tight clothing is pretty lame and pathetic.

Nicole1995 would have walked through Tijuana completely naked with $100 bills taped to her body while wearing a Donald Trump mask.

that young guys and gals living in a lower income neighborhood think you’re looking at them as if they were exhibits at a zoo, th


No I think u are assuming that. First..how would they know I'm.an outsider and second that comment was assumimg that I gawk at them . I didn't stare at anyone besides the ppl I actually wanted to speak to which was like 2 ppl. I didn't stare at ppl lol

Just walked around and looked at the stores buildings

That's a bullshit claim. There's no way that I'm more likely to run into trouble from a cop than a gangster.

What security guards? My neighborhood doesn't have any. Even the absolute wealthiest one in this area doesn't have one.

Yeah but a lot of the people out at 2am in the ghetto are dangerous.

^ we don’t know that and you’re forgetting that this board is not populated by just white males, you need to be more precise with your language.

A lot of the people walking around high crime neighborhoods during peak hours when crimes tend to happen are probably dangerous. Is that not a reasonable assumption to make based on facts? I didn't say everybody was but a lot of them could be and you can't put your life in danger just so you look PC.

Nicole....by making a thread with a title that alludes to first hand observations. Then posting statements and utterances in said thread. You are implicating that you perceived what you said and witnessed evidence of it. Your statements are allusions. I'd much rather hear what you actually saw and thought though.

CC99. Most ghettos are pretty quiet at 2am. Just like any other neighborhood. In large cities, you have people coming and going to work at all hours though.

In LA, wealthier areas have private security patrols. And as far as I know, many places with homeowners' associations have them.

You've never been arbitrarily stopped by a cop at night, told you look like a suspect, been asked for your ID, then made to stand in front of a cop car with your hands behind your back, forced to stare into a spot light, while cops shout at you to relax, then to stand still, then to relax, then to spread your feet apart, then to not move, then to threaten you with resisting coz you moved???? Then fervently apologize after running your info? Must be nice if you haven't I've never had a gang member do that to me.... Most try to be very inconspicuous.

When you're afraid of your surroundings you put yourself in a mental prison.

@CC it’s probably more dangerous if you don’t have some purpose for being there, but it’s mostly in your mind, remember the Lord’s Prayer >yea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I shall fear no evil cause I am the baddest motherfucker in the valley. ;)

I have walked through many “supposed” dangerous areas of Detroit, Chicago, North St Louis, East St Louis and Kansas City. I have only had one “prostitute” proposition me and severs of another race ask me for money. None have ever attempted to accost me. Perhaps because I am a very confident person, but it could also be because I am not of the personality that the “gangsters” want to bother. Even during the Michael Brown incident, I walked in areas that were NOT of my racial mix and many who simply just said “sup?” My biggest concern in those areas are the STRAY BULLETS that are intended for someone else, but missed their mark.

I ask a third time. @Nicole, did you meet a prostitute? Did you meet a gangster?

@Nidan yes I saw both of them lol............

I met with gangster but just saw prostitute did not meet her

Question. How did you know she was a prostitute? How did you know he/she was a gangster?

1) he told me he was

Umm idk bout her. But even if I was wrong , prostitutes are known to be living there according 2 residents

Did you meet any drug dealers?

Was the gangster handsome cuddle material?

Nicole, said statistics are completely unrelated to your experience. The information has not and cannot be propounded in your investigation.

A judge would throw your argument out as premature disclosure if you can't link evidence from your experience, your witnesses and your documents

said statistics are completely unrelated to your experience

I never said they were related.

You implied it.

If you recant, you have no argument and admit to not really saying anything at all on the topic at hand then. lulz

Nicole, you know that most of the moralisms about the poor, are simply being used to justify keeping them poor. The ethics about money and the ethics about sex are really two sides of the same coin.

SJG

Michelle Alexander on The New Jim Crow, at Union Theological Seminary ( she wrote a very important book )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T79I1PLT…

Paul Tillich Symposium: John Caputo Lecture
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cog1v44W…

Nicole, the way I have proposed Universal Basic Income, there would be a strong public housing offering with it. Such housing would cost 1/2 or your UBI.

But it would not be just for poor people, it would be for who ever wants to live there. And it would have distinct advantages, right on the rail public transit lines, and with most every kind of service on the lower floors.

Should be able to compete slum lords down, rather than apply rent control. Lots of good jobs too. More ecologically sound too, because its built for public transit, and all the services. Should be an all around good deal.

SJG

Michelle Alexander on The New Jim Crow, at Union Theological Seminary ( she wrote a very important book )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T79I1PLT…

Paul Tillich Symposium: John Caputo Lecture
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cog1v44W…

@icey I don't agree cuz I that statement is based on incorrect assumotions

@nidan I did..the gangster was a dealer too

Agreement or disagreement is irrelevant. The implication is there regardless.

The laws about things considered as vice, are really just there to give moral support to an unworkable economic system.

SJG

Crow After Roe: How "Separate But Equal" Has Become the New Standard In Women’s Health And How We Can Change That
https://www.amazon.com/Crow-After-Roe-Se…

The End of Roe v. Wade: Inside the Right's Plan to Destroy Legal Abortion
https://www.amazon.com/End-Roe-v-Wade-Ab…

Protect our Reproductive Rights!
https://www.prochoiceamerica.org/

SJG

SJG not really, its about setting ethical limits on commodification and protecting the common good

The attacks on reproductive rights just stems for the Christian radicalization of the Republican Party

"The attacks on reproductive rights just stems for the Christian radicalization of the Republican Party"

Well that alone is bad enough.

Reproductive choice has been a very hard fought gain, and it must be defended at any and all costs.

SJG

None of the attacks can stand though, they contradict Federal law.

Its not actually federal law, its the Roe v Wade decision. But this only matters if SCOTUS continues to back it up.

SJG

The implication is there regardless.

Any dumbass can think something was implied when it was not.

@nicole. How did you know he was a drug dealer?

Nicole you can be fined or held in contempt of court for that kind of language. In a legal sense, an implication is an inference of something thats not directly declared, but arising from what is admitted or expressed. Statements of opinion are made by implication.


SJG that's law though, Roe Vs Wade and related decisions make it legal on a Federal level. And states have the right to restrict abortions but not to outright outlaw them.

^^^^^^ Roe V Wade has survived because when states have challenged it, SCOTUS has reaffirmed it.

This is not statue law. It depends upon SCOTUS continuing to uphold Roe V Wade. And there are ways it could be weakened, and Trump has too Roe V Wade foes on the court. This is probably also about trying to influence the 2020 election.

Serious matter!

SJG

Richard Smoley, always good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N04WHX1N…

Sun, Sand, Prostitutes? Dominican Republic has legal prostitution
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FthM86ds…

Not read this anywhere, and religious would hotly deny this. They would be livid a hearing this.

Religious celibacy always was about remaining childfree. They just couched it as being about refraining from sex.

And today, being childfree, but sexually active, is the new version of religious celibacy.

SJG

Decisions and provisions around Roe vs Wade ensure it won't be done away with. I don't believe its in danger. And the states trying to make it too tough to get an abortion will eventually have said legislation overturned.

^^^^^^ I hope you are proven correct.

But I am not going to passively wait and see.

AOC calls Alabama's abortion ban 'a brutal form of oppression'
https://www.yahoo.com/news/aoc-calls-ala…

SJG

The media sensationalizes these things but the reality is there are certain protections for rights in this country

^^^^^^ Not the same court now and then.

SJG

The judges have leanings but they're there to uphold the law...

@Nicole1994. Twenty five makes of point of why you are criticized. Slum tourism is a real thing. Where majority citizens want to see what life is like on the other side, oohs and ahh and get their fix of "experience". While initially meant for educational purposes, they serve no one but the tourists and those who set up the tours; nobody from the actual ghettos being toured. These sorts of things are criticized to be a form of poverty porn, where you get a sort of thrill seeing the slum life of the disadvantaged. Like a zoo.
And so far, you have not given any evidence as to why you want to go outside the pleasure of seeing the experience of a ghetto resident. Even the title of this thread says only because your "curious".

they serve no one but the tourists and those who set up the tours; nobody from the actual ghettos being toured.

Nice. I guess its good I wasn't being disruptive as I did not go on a fucking tour bus for this shit. How dumb.

So was anyone you met there handsome and cuddle material?

"The judges have leanings but they're there to uphold the law..."

Icey, Roe v Wade is a landmark court decision, reached by interpreting the constitution. But it is no federal statue law. Some justices will want to uphold it, but with others like this Brett Kavanaugh, not so sure.

Nicole, going on a tour bus to visit the slums?

I am all over San Jose regularly, and often by bicycle.

SJG

They can't just dismantle it because of personal beliefs. If laws worked that way in the US, it would look very different.


And I think Nicole's choice of words are very classist

“These sorts of things are criticized to be a form of poverty porn, where you get a sort of thrill seeing the slum life of the disadvantaged. Like a zoo.
And so far, you have not given any evidence as to why you want to go outside the pleasure of seeing the experience of a ghetto resident.”

Bingo

Icey, if the US congress wanted to they could have passed a law protecting abortion rights.

In CA it was like this, state legislature passed such a bill, signed into law by Ronald Reagan, 1969.

But at the Federal level it has only been attacks on abortion rights. We only have Roe V Wade because the Earl Warren led court found such rights in the 1st, 4th, 5th, 9th, and 14th amendments.

And the case that made it to SCOTUS was because Wade was the Texas AG and he was an extremist and had shut down all the abortion providers.

With Ann Richards and Molly Ivins, Texas has given us some very strong women.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Wedd…

SJG

Times are different. the SCOTUS knows it can't uphold abortion bans. I don't even think the illegal state bans on abortion will even make it that far before they're struck down.

Its not a matter of SCOTUS upholding the abortion bans, its about SCOTUS having the guts to strike then down.

Brown v Board was 9 to 0, because the justices knew that there would be extreme resistance, so they wanted to make sure that know one every thought there would be a chance of challenging it.

But Roe v Wade was just 7 to 2. And it has been a specific objective of the Christian Right to load the court with justices who will over turn Roe.

SJG

They'll never get to the SCOTUS, they'll be struck down much earlier.

^^^^ Interesting point to consider.

SJG