Amazon says it will not build a headquarters in New York

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Amazon will not build a headquarters in New York City following mounting opposition, the company said in a statement Thursday.

Amazon said it does not have plans to reopen the search for a replacement location. The company will continue to build its planned headquarters in Virginia and its other planned location in Nashville, Tennessee.

Last week, The Washington Post first reported that Amazon executives were considering backing out of its plans to build an office in the Long Island City neighborhood of Queens.

"While polls show that 70 percent of New Yorkers support our plans and investment, a number of state and local politicians have made it clear that they oppose our presence and will not work with us to build the type of relationships that are required to go forward with the project we and many others envisioned in Long Island City," Amazon said in the statement. A December Quinnipiac University poll found 57 percent of NYC residents who responded approved of Amazon building its headquarters in Long Island City, Reuters reported.

The company said it will continue to grow the teams it already has in Staten Island, Brooklyn and Manhattan.
Amazon shares barely moved after the company said it was scrapping its plans to build a new headquarters in New York.

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo had warned at a news conference last week following the Washington Post report that local and regional leaders who opposed Amazon's headquarters would have to answer to voters if Amazon did not ultimately bring its 25,000 jobs to the state.

"You want to diversify your economy? You don't want to just be Wall Street and finance?" Cuomo asked at the news conference last week. "We need Amazon."

Following the company's announcement that it was abandoning its plans for Long Island City, Cuomo said in a statement: "a small group [of] politicians put their own narrow political interests above their community -- which poll after poll showed overwhelmingly supported bringing Amazon to Long Island City -- the state's economic future and the best interests of the people of this state. The New York State Senate has done tremendous damage. They should be held accountable for this lost economic opportunity."

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio took a different tone, saying, "You have to be tough to make it in New York City. We gave Amazon the opportunity to be a good neighbor and do business in the greatest city in the world. Instead of working with the community, Amazon threw away that opportunity. We have the best talent in the world and every day we are growing a stronger and fairer economy for everyone. If Amazon can't recognize what that's worth, its competitors will."

Local and state leaders had voiced significant opposition after New York City and state had offered the company performance-based incentives amounting to nearly $3 billion. These leaders were not privy to the details of the deal until after Amazon had made its decision. Cuomo said the deal would still bring in $27 billion in revenue in exchange for the incentive package and called the opposition to Amazon "governmental malpractice."

Amazon executives had made attempts to quell local fears about its move into the city. In December, two executives attended a hearing in front of members of New York's City Council where lawmakers addressed questions about how the company would ensure it hired a diverse workforce from the Queens community it was moving into, among other concerns. Council members expressed anger over the closed-door deal and said Amazon's actions prove it was a bad neighbor.

"I see this as Walmart 2.0 and we're going to continue to fight because we object to the process that has brought us to [this] point," said Councilwoman Inez Barron, a Democrat, at the December hearing. "You're in for a battle. You're in for a fight."

State Sen. Michael Gianaris, a Democrat and vocal critic of the Amazon deal who was selected last week to serve on the state board that would have had final approval of the headquarters, said Amazon's decision proves they would not have been good neighbors.

"Today's behavior by Amazon shows why they would have been a bad partner for New York in any event," Gianaris said in a statement. "Rather than seriously engage with the community they proposed to profoundly change, Amazon continued its effort to shakedown governments to get its way. It is time for a national dialogue about the perils of these types of corporate subsidies."

Local officials have also expressed concerns over Amazon's reported ties to the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency through its facial recognition technology. In a statement after Amazon's announcement, City Councilman Jimmy Van Bramer, a Democrat, said, "Defeating an anti-union corporation that mistreats workers and assists ICE in terrorizing immigrant communities is a victory. Defeating an unprecedented act of corporate welfare is a triumph that should change the way we do economic development deals in our city and state forever."

Queens Borough President Melinda Katz, a Democrat, said in a statement that Amazon's hearing in front of the City Council last month made it "increasingly clear that they had no intentions of being good neighbors and committing to the required negotiations. They rejected our values of supporting working people and were unwilling to work with our local communities toward a mutually beneficial resolution. New York has the best tech work force in the nation, much of which is here in Queens, so if Amazon wants to take their jobs somewhere else with a lesser work force so they can undercut wages and workers' rights, that's their choice."

Some Amazon employees had bought homes in the Long Island City area of Queens even before the company had announced its plans to open a headquarters there, The Wall Street Journal reported in November.
In response to Amazon's announcement, the Retail, Wholesale and Department Store Union released a statement condemning the company's decision to back out of New York City.

"Rather than addressing the legitimate concerns that have been raised by many New Yorkers Amazon says you do it our way or not at all, we will not even consider the concerns of New Yorkers – that's not what a responsible business would do," an RWDSU spokesperson said in a statement.

Politicians chimed in on Twitter, including presidential candidate Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., who said, Amazon "just walked away from billions in taxpayer bribes, all because some elected officials in New York aren't sucking up to them enough. How long will we allow giant corporations to hold our democracy hostage?"

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., who represents the area near Amazon's formerly planned headquarters, took the company's move as a positive sign.

"Anything is possible:" tweeted Ocasio-Cortez, "today was the day a group of dedicated, everyday New Yorkers & their neighbors defeated Amazon's corporate greed, its worker exploitation, and the power of the richest man in the world."

CNBC has reached out to Cuomo for comment.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/14/amazon-s…

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Papi_Chulo
6 years ago
IDK all the details, but on the surface it seems some NYC politicians are setting a tone that they are not big-business friendly - on the surface it seems they are kinda killing the goose that lays the golden egg.
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Warrior15
6 years ago
Yep. AOC won. The last thing she wants for her people are jobs. She wants the government to pay the people that are not willing to work.
I'll tell you right now. The people in Nashville are celebrating. More jobs there now.
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Papi_Chulo
6 years ago
I would assume many large companies may now be a bit more wary about making big investments in NYC
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Warrior15
6 years ago
I"m reading some of this stuff right now. It is amazing that these nutcase politicians are celebrating that they ran off the big bad corporation. These were not 25,000 jobs flipping burgers. The average pay for those jobs were going to be over $100k. How in the world do you celebrate running that off ?
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san_jose_guy
6 years ago
AOC has got the right ideas and the right attitude:

Ocasio-Cortez takes a victory lap after Amazon scraps plans to build in New York

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ocasio-cortez…

SJG

Toyota Supra, 2020

They don't say much about the car yet, but it seems to have a BMW engine and chassis. Even looks like the BMW 2 series, though much better looking, and it has the high power I6 like the M2.

But the BMW is a 2+2 sedan, where as the Supra should be a hatch back, and these are much more versatile.

https://www.toyota.com/upcoming-vehicles…
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san_jose_guy
6 years ago
In San Jose, fighting a losing battle against Google, people call their plan GoogleVille.

SJG
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san_jose_guy
6 years ago
I fully stand behind AOC, and what we need is 434 more just like her.

SJG
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san_jose_guy
6 years ago
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skibum609
6 years ago
AOC is literally a moron and a Stalinist. In her "green plan" she wants a guaranteed income even fore those "unwilling to work". My attitude is let people like that starve and die, but it shows that she is anti-job, but no different than Bernie Sanders when he was Governor of Vermont. This is a woman who plans on ending all air travel within ten years. I cannot wait for the ocean voyage from the Port of San Diego to Hawaii and then on to Japan. Progressives are little children who think wishing makes things happen. Now you knbow how Trump won; the other choice was worse. Lert me sum it up: SJG thinks she is smart.
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san_jose_guy
6 years ago
Trying to give people jobs costs far more than just giving them money.

And with the stupid shit jobs just to prove something, people should refuse.

AOC is smart, Skibum609 is an idiot.

SJG
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Papi_Chulo
6 years ago
I don't mind helping people and I feel those that need help should be helped - it's just that I don't trust the government to do it well nor efficiently - and plenty of people will milk-it like most if not all "well intentioned" government programs where a vast-amount gets wasted in bureaucratic-overhead and giving to those that don't really need it
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skibum609
6 years ago
Jobs create self-respect and independence; two things that Progressive Staliniosts hate. How stupid is the person who doesn't understand that the money given away to the idiots who support AOC comes from people who work. No work = no money. Simple math. AOC please tyell me the three co-equal branches of Government. "Um, the House, Congress and the President". Lmao that is the essence of ignorance. 520 credit score too.
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san_jose_guy
6 years ago
Bullshit make work jobs do not create self-respect. And jobs create interdependence, not independence.

We need to plan on a much smaller workforce. Simple math of industrialization.

SJG
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opanjob
6 years ago
I can understand how politicians would get mad at the $3-billion incentive plan promised to Amazon without voter approval. Amazon doesn’t need more free money.
I don’t see how NYC can possibly be considered unfriendly to business when it’s the corporate capital of the largest economy in the history of the world.
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san_jose_guy
6 years ago
^^^^^ Good point.

This idea of tax breaks to businesses was always a bad idea.

SJG
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Warrior15
6 years ago
SJG. SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU STUPID IDIOT !
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san_jose_guy
6 years ago
Not the proper function of our government to give breaks to business.

STFU Warrior15

SJG
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rickdugan
6 years ago
Most of that 3 billion was comprised of tax credits and deductions that would have no applied to city and state corporate taxes, which won't be payable in the first place if Amazon isn't there. For that, Amazon would have paid $3.75 billion PER YEAR in salaries to Long Island City employees, who of course also pay taxes, and who knows how much money each year in city and state corporate taxes once the credits/deductions were used up.

Small wonder that Cuomo and de Blasio were trying so hard to get Amazon there. But as is all too often the case, NY politicians cannot help fucking their constituents for their own political gain.
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rickdugan
6 years ago
"...that would have been applied to city and state corporate taxes..."

Sorry - typing too fast. :)
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skibum609
6 years ago
If you want to hear crickets ask someone to list all successful socialist a countries that provide for their own defense, and don't leech off the American taxpayers.
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yahtzee74
6 years ago
>list all successful socialist a countries that provide for their own defense

Sweden?
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Warrior15
6 years ago
How big is the Swedish Army ?
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twentyfive
6 years ago
Not so sure it’s really a loss for NYC
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Lone_Wolf
6 years ago
Pure stupidity! The acted like NY was going to pay Amazon 4b versus not getting it. I've seen enough in life to believe AOC did not understand the dynamics. Leading indicator for our country. Sad.
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gammanu95
6 years ago
I don't think any cities and states should be giving out incentives and tax breaks to companies. The state and local tax laws should be applied to equally to Jeff Bezos and me, to Boeing and to Ralph's hardware. However, since that ain't the way it is, the hard left crowd royally fucked up. We all knew that those dipshits in Queens would regret voting for Cortez, and here it is not even two months after her oath of office. She not only fucked over her constituency, but the whole fucking city! I love it!
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Warrenboy75
6 years ago
There is a warehouse not all that far from where I live. Most of the people there make anywhere from 13.00 an hour to 22.00 an hour. It's not the greatest pay but it certainly is above minimum wage.

I'll repeat an often used comment on the liberal thought process which is they are extremely short and narrow focused when it comes to their beliefs........The tax breaks came over a ten year period and only if Amazon hit certain benchmarks--repeat no one was handing Amazon billions of dollars stipulation free nor all at once.

There are 200 other cities that would and will welcome Amazon with open arms......curious how many of you have ever been to Long Island City......the infrastructure updates alone would have been beneficial to the area.
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twentyfive
6 years ago
I know LIC well, there’s a shit ton of warehouses and service industry businesses there, the rents are relatively low and many of the services that the city requires are based there due to proximity, if rent in that area goes up so will costs significantly, 25000 workers in that area won’t really be noticed, have any of you had to go over the Queensboro Bridge or taken the subway from there, yes it would be nice to gain some more jobs but damn man, the only people that are crying are the folks that thought they’d make a killing on real estate, the area is one of the last blue collar areas left in the five boroughs
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san_jose_guy
6 years ago
People are going to engage in entrepreneurism, and for their own reasons. We should not discourage this, but we should not make promotion of it a matter of public policy.

If you make promotion a public policy, you are just telling people not to except livable jobs, and blaming them when they find not. This is wrong.

But also, entrepreneurism does not create jobs, it eats jobs. Amazon and Bezos are an excellent case in point. They destroyed the independent book stare industry, and even most of the bricks and mortar stores. While I do not hold this against them, I also do no believe that entrepreneurism creates jobs or solves any public problems.

If we promote entrepreneurism then we are just accelerating out decline into being a third world country, a nation of Uber Drives and Shoe Shine Boys.

AOC speaks early in this, about the Amazon matter, and Amazon for some reason is getting a huge federal tax rebate.
https://www.democracynow.org/shows/2019/…

SJG

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Warrior15
6 years ago
Holy Crap. SJG, that may be the biggest pile of shit I have ever read. How dumb are you ? Who the heck starts the businesses where the jobs are ? The government ?
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ime
6 years ago
AOC is truly the gift that keeps on giving, she can always outdo herself with new dumber and dumber comments, she is probably the best gift the democrats ever gave the Republicans.
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san_jose_guy
6 years ago
Democratic Socialism is the only way. AOC for President

SJG

extremely good:
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Henry Monnier, cartoonist Merriman mentions.
https://medias.expertissim.com/media/cac…
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Papi_Chulo
6 years ago
"New York is the highest-taxed place in the country, and when we are competing with every other state and city, in places like Nashville and Dallas — runners-up to our application — it's pretty hard to compare our tax burden and cost burden there," she said on "Closing Bell." " Employers here pay 20, 30 percent premium for employees in New York because of the cost of living, and then there's the taxes."

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/15/new-york…
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twentyfive
6 years ago
And keep in mind Virginia which was awarded (is that the right term) the same 25000 jobs offered one third as much in tax breaks 550 million compared with NYCs offer of one and a half billion, I still believe New Yorkers dodged a bullet.
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rickdugan
6 years ago
25, I'm not sure why you don't grasp the bigger picture here.

3.75 billion PER YEAR in direct slaries paid to local employees.
Estimated $27 billion in tax revenue to NY over 25 years.
The creation and/or expansion of countless businesses to service Amazon itself as well as its 25,000 affluent employees, creating billions more in local economic activity.
Who knows how many additional high paying construction and countless other skilled blue collar labor jobs that easily would have lasted 5-10 years (especially in NYC)
Estimated 600-650 mm in direct urban revitalization.

In the grand scheme of things, what NY and NYC were offering in combined incentives was peanuts compared to the likely benefits. In a state and a city that are losing affluent people at an alarming rate, due in no small part to twisted thinking like this, Amazon would have been a huge boon.
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pensionking
6 years ago
I usually only read VIP discussions anymore. I have enjoyed the relative sanity of commentary found therein . . . and this thread is why.

The quite insane rantings of the socialists is appalling. There are places in the world where socialists can be happy -- I don't understand why they'all don't just pack up and move there.

AOC is exactly what is wrong with the American deep left. Completely wrong-headed lack of logic.

While I can agree with and support many of the social issues espoused by the left -- invariably, to support their candidates, it seems you have to agree to support their bizarre anti-growth, anti-success, anti-meritocracy fiscal policies.

Whichever party presents a candidate closer to the middle should win in 2020. The fringe elements of each party should be marginalized, if not silenced. Pandering to kooks like you-know-who should NOT be encouraged. Wondering if a Russian troll is continually bumping certain threads to foment disruption. Irritated.
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JamesSD
6 years ago
I honestly don't know why they chose NYC. When they first announced the contest and what their criteria were, NYC didn't make many analayst top 10 lists. We all assumed somewhere with low cost of living that would bend over backwards for jobs.
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AZFourTwenty
6 years ago
Having Amazon in your backyard is such a bad idea, 238 municipalities bid for it.
AOC's district has 70% of its residents on welfare. They don't need no stinking jobs.

Yesterday, I briefly saw an article regarding a speech by AOC congratulating herself on Amazon's withdrawal. In her speech she said that "we don't need menial jobs".

It kind of sounded like she was unaware of what Amazon was bringing. When you consider that she is railing against Amazon's work practices as being too detrimental to employees it really becomes more and more clear she is misinformed and clueless.

Amazon has a reputation of being disciplined with high standards for its workers. Having standards is what makes companies successful.
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flagooner
6 years ago
I haven't read anything about the actual deal and I've never lived in the area, but that won't stop me from adding my expertise to the discussion.

1. I would bet that there would be some sort of benefits and zoning changes that would enable a big majority of existing businesses to continue if not even be compensated from the windfall.

2. @Rick... are those net pro forma figures taking into account the impact to other businesses?
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twentyfive
6 years ago
This whole convo is a pointless exercise in rhetoric, Amazon isn’t going to be building a headquarters in NYC they said that themselves, the rest of this is just a whole bunch of nonsense, New York will be fine, so will Amazon, I didn’t have a say in it and neither did any of you, at the end of the day who cares.
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rickdugan
6 years ago
Flag posted: "2. @Rick... are those net pro forma figures taking into account the impact to other businesses?"

@Flag, that was one of the best parts of the whole deal. The place that they were going to put the campus is currently a shithole, with a handful of decrepit warehouse buildings and one small office building that is old too. The biggest impacted business was a plastics company that owns some of the proposed site and they were eager to participate because they were going to get paid with a capital P. Unlike many of these types of grand projects in densely packed urban areas, there was no ground swell of resistance by local citizens. Indeed, New Yorkers overwhelmingly supported this project, including those who owned businesses and property in Long Island City.

@25: We talk about these things because there are lessons to be learned from them. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, no doubt cheered on by other radical members of Congress like her Israel hating gal pal Ilhan Omar, used her political influence to shit bomb what cooler heads knew was a great deal for LIC and NY as a whole. What happens when we put people like this in charge should not be brushed off, whether its a woman who felt that political posturing was more important than her constituents economic well being or one who believes that her personal biases justify horrible comments (and no doubt other hostile actions) against an isolated nation just trying to survive.
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Warrenboy75
6 years ago
I haven't been on line the past few days as much but the one thing that stands out about the entire affair is that it split the liberals into two camps both state wide and nationally ( as well as local NYC Politics)

I didn't understand why Amazon wanted to be in LIC and how they "won" the lottery for lack of a better way to describe the selection process but I do think moving forward watch to see what this does to impact the positions of candidates for the 2020 election cycle.
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rickdugan
6 years ago
Warren posted: "I haven't been on line the past few days as much but the one thing that stands out about the entire affair is that it split the liberals into two camps both state wide and nationally ( as well as local NYC Politics)"

In order to understand how this went to shit, one must understand the "pigs at the trough" system that is NY politics. AOC has become the whipping horse for this meltdown, but 25 is right in that there were many other forces in play. In order to get this deal hammered out, Cuomo and de Blasio tried to steam roll this through. They both understood that if they allowed all the state and local pigs to pull their normal bullshit, each trying to hold the company at gun point for some concession that they could tout to their constituents, that a deal would never get done. Think of it NY like a corrupt foreign country, with a single political party having too much control over too many commercial decisions, and you'll get the picture.

I guess that Cuomo and de Blasio thought that the deal was such a good one for NY and NYC that it would overcome normal resistance from those who didn't get their taste. But sadly it appears that they grossly underestimated the willingness of City Council members and even some state legislators to put their own political self interests, including the political donations they receive from unions, ahead of those of ordinary citizens. It's NY - they should have known better, lol
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twentyfive
6 years ago
^ I get it the taxpayers should shell out 1.5 billion to enrich the real estate developers if that’s not corruption what is.
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rickdugan
6 years ago
^ Since you didn't get it the first time...

25, I'm not sure why you don't grasp the bigger picture here.

3.75 billion PER YEAR in direct slaries paid to local employees.
Estimated $27 billion in tax revenue to NY over 25 years.
The creation and/or expansion of countless businesses to service Amazon itself as well as its 25,000 affluent employees, creating billions more in local economic activity.
Who knows how many additional high paying construction and countless other skilled blue collar labor jobs that easily would have lasted 5-10 years (especially in NYC)
Estimated 600-650 mm in direct urban revitalization.

In the grand scheme of things, what NY and NYC were offering in combined incentives was peanuts compared to the likely benefits. In a state and a city that are losing affluent people at an alarming rate, due in no small part to twisted thinking like this, Amazon would have been a huge boon.
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JamesSD
6 years ago
NYC probably should have tried to play ball. But they don't need jobs the way Ohio or Detroit do. Amazon wanted a three holes no condom fuck fest and picked a city that was only offering covered hand jobs.
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twentyfive
6 years ago
^ Don’t forget to add the city of NY was being asked to pay a super premium over Richmond, 3 dollars for every dollar that Virginia was offering.
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AZFourTwenty
6 years ago
@25,
I think the correct interpretation is that the cities offered the concessions. All Amazon did was ask municipalities to make their offer. You can't fault Amazon for NY offering 3X Virginia.

AOC, in her infinite lack of wisdom, chastised Amazon for not wanting to negotiate. If Amazon wanted to negotiate, they may have picked a different city. Their offer to the cities was to give them an incentive package, not give us something we can negotiate.
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flagooner
6 years ago
^^^^^^
3 Hours Ago
"This whole convo is a pointless exercise in rhetoric,..."

Just can't resist adding to it.
;-)
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Papi_Chulo
6 years ago
To me it originally seemed like a bad fit going into such a congested and costly area - perhaps they saw a specific need to be in that area
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flagooner
6 years ago
I'm surprised they didn't welcome Amazon with open arms just to give Boston more reason to have an inferiority complex.
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Papi_Chulo
6 years ago
^ LOL - the curse of the Bambino
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rickdugan
6 years ago
Papi posted: "To me it originally seemed like a bad fit going into such a congested and costly area - perhaps they saw a specific need to be in that area"

Well, this was to be an HQ building, not a warehouse depot. Say whatever else we will about NYC, it is still the largest city in the country and a huge draw for some young educated professionals. NY and the surrounding states also hold a ton of top notch universities from which to recruit as well as ample opportunities to poach top talent from other enterprises, including no shortage of tech talent. When you have to keep 25,000 jobs filled, largely with white collar workers, NYC provides a lot of advantages over almost any other city in the country.
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Icey
6 years ago
In other words, NYC won't steal people's money and pay Amazon 3 billion in corporate welfare and government benefits, to open up shot.
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san_jose_guy
6 years ago
Wow, one smart Latina sure can shake things up. We've been living in the Reagan insanity of Supply Side Economics for going on 40 years now. AOC has completely changed the terms of the public debate.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/11/…

SJG
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