Budget Deal

^ So you think they should close down the government, like that’s really going to help settle things. SMH

I can see how people in Arizona might not like this.

The advent of "communities" simply means immigration is the end of America. Everythiong that made us great is now considered bad and the idea we're going leftward, citing Europe as an example fails to recognize that Europe's welfare state exists solely due to our paying for their defense. If they had to defend themselves they'd be Venezuela, instead of an American txp[ayer paid welfare continent. I notice zero difference between the Government closed down and up and riunning so close it down.

^ The budget deal places severe limits on the ability to stop illegal immigration. There are probably lots of other land mines ..."

And I thought I was the only one who thought using claymore mines would ne cheaper and more effective than a wall.

As a government employee I can't agree with you. I've been through several shutdowns over the years and they've never had a positive effect on any of us. Federal employees should not be political pawns.

Government shutdowns need to be off the table completely when Congress and the President can't agree on something.

Democratic Sen. Mark Warner introduced legislation earlier this month instituting an automatic continuing resolution. The bill is titled the Stop Shutdowns Transferring Unnecessary Pain and Inflicting Damage In The Coming Years Act, or simply Stop STUPIDITY.

They should cut their pay off until they figure the shit out.

Legalize strippers sex and tax it accordingly and we'll have the money to build the wall in no time.

Quit paying for the Senators and Representatives until they reach an agree. Take away their health care (they can go on Obamacare), no more expense accounts & free transportation, and since they are not working take away their aides. Adopt the theme.......You no work, You no eat !!!!

My feeling is if they shut down the government again. The whole ball of wax is gonna blow up in their faces, I’d like to see a bill passed saying that in the event of a government shutdown the entire legislature including the White House will be the first to be denied pay and essential services, this is no fucking way to run a country, if they shut it down they should be fired immediately simple solution.

Some people have no idea what they are talking about. i challenge all the people that feel theres no difference when the government is open or shut down to stop paying taxes. find out what happens if you dont pay taxes during a shut down, people still show up to work during a shut down. Also if CONs strongly oppose "Socialism" why do they not oppose government bail outs. The US is a bubble economy. Big picture, if immigrants keep coming, and many CONs think they are lazy and dont pay any taxes, this will lead to the system collapsing because there no taxation revenue to fund "free healthcare" and foods stamps for illegals. so its a win for cons in the long run.

I think Trump is miscalculating thinking the wall is the red-meat for his base - those that support Trump will support w/e he says whether it's a wall or anything else - the "build that wall" seemed to me as just something the crowds shouted just to shout something pro-Trump like they liked shouting "lock her up".

Before Trump I don't recall a massive outcry from the right for a wall - most of my acquaintances are conservatives and over the years I don't recall anyone conservative I knew being completely distraught b/c there wasn't a border wall - I'm not saying there shouldn't be a sound/productive immigration policy nor that anyone that wants to come in should be automatically allowed-in; all I'm saying is that I think Trump may see the wall as some kinda Trump-card and I don't think it is - as has often been said over the last quarter-century w.r.t. elections, "it's the economy stupid" - I think Trump made a mistake doubling-down on the wall shit instead of focusing on how well the economy was doing and I think this hurt the republicans in the mid-terms - the mid-terms could have ended up the same-way either-way but again I don't think the most-pressing issue for most conservative voters is the lack of a wall or even immigration - again I do think conservative voters care about immigration but IMO it's down the list from the economy, taxes, regulation, abortion/religious-issues, etc.

The last shutdown kept 800,000 non essential federal employees at home and there was almost no impact on the real economy or the average person’s life. I saw lay them all off, saving the average taxpayer about $1,000 per year.

Mark dont pay your taxes, then you will really be saving..lol

If we really have 800,000 completely worthless federal employees that’s a problem, but laying them all off in one fell swoop sounds like a bad idea.