EITHER / or?
Spirit_of_Alucard
From the great beyond
Anarchy or Structure?
Dictatorship or Democracy?
Peace or War?
Politeness or Rudeness?
ANOTHER reminder of the kind of INTERESTING & INTELLIGENT discussions we could be having if the VILE ATTACK DOGS would just leave the board. Please be POLITE to honor the memory of one of our GREATEST members.
Dictatorship or Democracy?
Peace or War?
Politeness or Rudeness?
ANOTHER reminder of the kind of INTERESTING & INTELLIGENT discussions we could be having if the VILE ATTACK DOGS would just leave the board. Please be POLITE to honor the memory of one of our GREATEST members.
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My organization will be loaded with Bad Girls, and all the men get drained dry by them each day.
https://www.amazon.com/Mystery-Babalon-B…
http://www.templeofbabalon.com/
http://www.somaluna.com/books/thelemic-p…
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http://www.templeofbabalon.com/
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The above materials are saturated with the ideas of Aleister Crowley. Not sure how much she is also drawing upon his successors.
SJG
Resist!
Letitia James
https://www.democracynow.org/2017/1/26/t…
If only everyone thought like her. We all have so much to learn.
For me. living in a totally dysfunctional marriage, and having given up my AMPing in order to try in earnest to make it work, it was finally a brief encounter, in my first exposure to our underground circuit, with one of the group I refer to as "The Beloved Latina Escorts" which convinced me that no, I do not want to live like that. I will not accept the direction things are going, continual desexualization as a way to minimize conflicts.
The encounter with the Latina was strictly no touching, but OTC, and maybe the parking lot too,were immediately available, though I did not on that night perceive such. But I was just blown away with how much different she was from women I'd known, and the one I was married to. This Latina had made it her mission in life to engage with guys, often focusing on face to face intimacy, and then to give them the fuck of their lives and make them feel like kings.
Now even though I did not go that route with her, I was still blown away by her persona. I had always been perfectly behaved in strip club. But in this case I just felt compelled with the need to somehow leave my mark on her, so I ended up blowing insolently into her face, and up very close. She did not mind at all. She seemed to see it as potential foreplay and the potential start of an intense GFE encounter.
The trajectory of my whole life changed at that point, now seeing that I was not going to further accept what I had been handed in life. But, I was not going to actualize this by cheating on my wife. I knew that that would always put me into compromised positions, and make me vulnerable to all sorts of troubles. I knew that I had to keep my integrity in tact, and that the marriage would either have to change or be dissolved. It ended up being the latter.
And that gets to my main point. I don't know if our OP meant it as a direct reference or not. But Either/Or was the first published work of Soren Kierkegaard. And the way this is sometimes described, Kierkegaard is saying that you have to make a basic choice in life, the two main options being to live as a:
1. Knight of Faith
or as
2. Aesthetic Man
And by the first he means basic abstinence, from everything. And by the second he means indulgence in everything, hedonism.
And Kierkegaard is saying that you can't combine both and there is no middle ground.
And so of course the issue with this for us today is that everyone wants to combine both.
Like for myself, I've always seen alcohol, drugs, and tobacco is just the stupidest things around. I don't even connect them with hedonism, I see them as just vulgar idiocy.
But then with sex, I don't see anything immoral about it at all. I see those who try to restrict it as being immoral.
Okay, but Kierkegaard was writing in the mid 1800's, and so his views about sex are much more restrictive.
I think our OP is correct, that especially on a forum devoted to strip clubs, we should be talking about all of these kinds of ethical issues.
And so maybe it is fitting that these kinds of discussions are started as a tribute to Alucard.
SJG
Barbara Dennerlein (1984) - The lady is a tramp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bCO4jIA…
All we have to do is take down the wall which separates economics from politics, and take apart the arguments used to delegitimate so many of our people.
So lets start with Plato's Timaeus, and we can read about Atlantis
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/1572/1572…
SJG
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Capitalism will eat democracy -- unless we speak up | Yanis Varoufakis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB4s5b9N…
If Europe is bankrupt, then that's not the only place which is bankrupt.
Are Dougster and his friends driving us towards a utopia, like implied in "Star Trek", or towards a dystopia, as detailed in "The Matrix"?
$5.2 Trillion, used completely unproductively.
And could Athenian Democracy ever actually be a solution, and are Dougster and his friends going to allow hookers to vote?
Steve Bannon
www.democracynow.org/2017/1/27/the_media…
Stones, Montreal 1989
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQBpuht7…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timaeus_(d…
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/plato…
https://faculty.washington.edu/smcohen/3…
SJG
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/1572/1572…
( Years ago, I had this big green book with all Plato's writtings, except maybe for Republic. There will again be a time when I have a vast library. )
"Of all the writings of Plato the Timaeus is the most obscure and repulsive to the modern reader, and has nevertheless had the greatest influence over the ancient and mediaeval world. The obscurity arises in the infancy of physical science, out of the confusion of theological, mathematical, and physiological notions, out of the desire to conceive the whole of nature without any adequate knowledge of the parts, and from a greater perception of similarities which lie on the surface than of differences which are hidden from view. To bring sense under the control of reason; to find some way through the mist or labyrinth of appearances, either the highway of mathematics, or more devious paths suggested by the analogy of man with the world, and of the world with man; to see that all things have a cause and are tending towards an end—this is the spirit of the ancient physical philosopher. He has no notion of trying an experiment and is hardly capable of observing the curiosities of nature which are 'tumbling out at his feet,' or of interpreting even the most obvious of them. He is driven back from the nearer to the more distant, from particulars to generalities, from the earth to the stars. He lifts up his eyes to the heavens and seeks to guide by their motions his erring footsteps. But we neither appreciate the conditions of knowledge to which he was subjected, nor have the ideas which fastened upon his imagination the same hold upon us. For he is hanging between matter and mind; he is under the dominion at the same time both of sense and of abstractions; his impressions are taken almost at random from the outside of nature; he sees the light, but not the objects which are revealed by the light; and he brings into juxtaposition things which to us appear wide as the poles asunder, because he finds nothing between them. He passes abruptly from persons to ideas and numbers, and from ideas and numbers to persons,—from the heavens to man, from astronomy to physiology; he confuses, or rather does not distinguish, subject and object, first and final causes, and is dreaming of geometrical figures lost in a flux of sense. He contrasts the perfect movements of the heavenly bodies with the imperfect representation of them (Rep.), and he does not always require strict accuracy even in applications of number and figure (Rep.). His mind lingers around the forms of mythology, which he uses as symbols or translates into figures of speech. He has no implements of observation, such as the telescope or microscope; the great science of chemistry is a blank to him. It is only by an effort that the modern thinker can breathe the atmosphere of the ancient philosopher, or understand how, under such unequal conditions, he seems in many instances, by a sort of inspiration, to have anticipated the truth. "
SJG
Secrets of Hermes Trismegistus: Aeon Byte Gnostic Radio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcsyiGCZ…
Brian Eno
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggLTPyRX…
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/1572/1572…
Trust me, Plato is fun to read, and most thought provoking.
SJG
Of course Timaeus is one of his very last. In my big green book, it was at the end as I remember. Some people find the later Plato more rigid and defensive. But this is good, it is just different from the early works, which were mostly about Socrates.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c…
www.gutenberg.org/files/1572/1572-h/1572…
SJG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZrZCE-u…
Nicholas of Cusa, Negative Theology
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_o…
If interested in pre-socratics, see volume 1
https://www.amazon.com/Philosophic-Class…
SJG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=564PYveu…
More Plato's Timaeus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZrZCE-u…
https://www.amazon.com/Philosophic-Class…
This volume 1 runs from pre-Socratics, thru the Neo-Platonist Plotinus.
But remember also that there is an esoteric or occult tradition which intersects with this, but is still usually sidelined.
SJG
going to get this:
Timaeus and Critias / Plato ; translated and annotated by Desmond Lee ; translation revised, introduced and further annotated by T.K. Johansen
https://www.amazon.com/Timaeus-Critias-P…
Cannot help but notice that it is the Catholic Universities which are most likely to have books like this.
SJG
Full Text online:
http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/1572?msg…
Full Text Online, Intro and Analysis
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/1572/1572…
Actual Text Online
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/1572/1572…
Overview:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timaeus_(d…
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/plato…
https://faculty.washington.edu/smcohen/3…
Text only:
https://www.amazon.com/Timaeus-Critias-P…
Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=564PYveu…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZrZCE-u…
Plato
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato#Dial…
SJG
http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/republic.2…
It actually reads quite easily. Most people aren't expecting this. But it is generally true that the most highly regarded writings are not especially difficult to read or understand, not when translated.
Thrasymachus is the black hat, the opponent of Socrates, and he says, "Justice is the interest of the stronger".
This is just another way of phrasing the cliche "might makes right".
Thrasymachus is a Sophist, a paid teacher, someone who claims to have all the answers. And still today, this is the underlying premise of the self-improvement teachers of all time. All they are doing is teaching you to conform to social expectations, to the standards set by those with wealth and power.
Now Socrates sets him straight, there is such a thing as justice, but this interest of the stronger is just greed, and that is bottomless, endless.
SJG
Dave Bruebeck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEQB1-gl…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgvCVi9b…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-OF__fE…
SJG
Simon's Cat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNAZGy7J…