I visited Follies for the 4th time within the past 2 weeks. Within that time frame only one girl had asked me to go back to VIP with her. I asked is it worth it? she stated "i'll make you cum". Now she requested $200 for the experience but I am curious as to why none of the other girls asked or tried to up sell me to VIP. Is VIP seen as a badge of dishonor?
Whats your thoughts on VIP and whats the percentage of girls in Follies that does extra in your opinion??
VIP/extras is not an exact science at most clubs - i.e. figuring out which girls do and which girls don't and how to go about it.
First of all one can't be shy in a strip-club and think one will "offend a lady" by asking for sex in VIP - these girls get nude and allow strangers to grope them - so one it's not dealing w/ a local PTA meeting - strip-clubs are about sex and $$$.
It's only natural for a custy to get aroused with a full-nude woman grinding on him and one groping on them - that is the nature of the process - dancers are supposed to get a custy sexually aroused so he'll want to spend $$$ - i.e. dancers know the custies will get sexually aroused and ask for sex; it's par of the course; they are used to-it and are often asked and they understand the deal; particularly in a club where extras occur.
It is your $$$ you are spending in a strip-club so best to take control of the situation and try and get what you would like from your $$$ rather than expecting/hoping the dancers will give you exactly what you want; more often than not dancers rather do as little as possible to get as much of your $$$ as possible so a custy has to be his best/own agent.
Open ended questions, "will it be worth it"; etc; will often get mixed-results - in business it's best to be direct and strip-clubs are primarily about business and everyone trying to get their pound of fle$h all the way down to the bathroom troll.
Everyone may have a particular way they go about VIP/extras; my M.O. is:
+ I'll get some dances from her and see how freaky she is or how receptive she is to my "affections"/wandering-hands; if the dance is low-mileage and she does not like being groped (titties played with, etc) and her grinding is light to low grinding vs good-grinding; i will get the impression she is a dud in VIP although not saying this is 100% foolproof
+ fi she's naughty w/ her dances I'll whipser in her ear and ask her if she does VIP - if she says yes then I'll tell her what I want - i.e. I may ask her if she sucks w/o a condom; and if she fucks
+ if she say yes then I don't ask how much - I already have an idea of the going-rate more or less and will make a fair offer that we are both comfortable with - i may go a little higher if I think she's worth-it or stick to my guns and willing to let her walk if she does not accept the offer I'm comfortable with
+ I will also let her know ahead of time that i do not pay till the end (only pay the room fee upfront) - the best I'll do is show her I have the $$$ but I pay at the end
This method may come across as crude but it's better to be to the point and they either do or they don't - and they won't get offended - this is not a prom or a dating-game - in certain strip-clubs one may be able to me more subtle but either way i tihnk it's best to lay the cards on the table - the dancers are not shy nor beat around the bush w.r.t. what they want ($$$) so neither should custies - too many times custies get pennies on the dollar b/c they don't know any better or are too "shy" to ask and the dancer walks away w/ all his $$$ and his left holding his dick in his hand.
I did not consider that sitting with Shadow may have played a part in the girls behavior. They must have figured I already knew the drill and didn't try to play me.
Good advice I blew $900 over for visits and by far I could've gotten more mileage out of VIP. If I knew this upfront. I paid at least 4 girls more than $150 but will defiantly strategize better next time around. If anyone know of any black chicks level 8, 9 or 10 type chicks that go hard in.VIP let me know.
Yeah I was like getting 13 -15 dances at a time for the really nice ones. But I was geeking thou I admit it so the next time I will know the game.
I wad tipping them like $20 bucks thou.
One girl did however played me thou said she gave me 13 dances and I know it was less. I couldn't debate it. I just gave her the money and bounced.
2coolj5, what's the worst that could have happened? The worst is that you spend $200 and don't get much in the VIP. It sounds like you spent $900 over 4(?) visits so you were in the zone of $200 per visit anyway. But it also sounds like you weren't getting much.
Based on the reviews here there was little risk. Something brilliant would have happened! But I would have spent the $200 pretty much anywhere. It's not like $200 is serious money. In fact, it about what you're spending anyway. Just splurge and see if something brilliant happens! ;)
"... One girl did however played me thou said she gave me 13 dances and I know it was less. I couldn't debate it. I just gave her the money ..."
That's bound to happen in a club that:
+ it's not exactly upscale
+ where there are dozens and dozens of dancers thus more chance of running into ROBs
+ only $j10 dances so dancers may feel more apt to over-count to make $$$
I don't mind spending $$$ but hate getting ripped-off - thus why my M.O. is to tell a dancer to let me know every time she is starting a new song that way I can keep count and she knows I'm keeping count,
and BTW - just b/c one is upfront/proactive about asking for VIP (sex, BJ) does not necessarily mean one will score often or most of the time - just means one gives themselves a greater chance.
Earlier post was typed on my cell phone so hella mistakes. But I was rocking with three baddest black chicks I seen in there. When they started that mouthpiece they had me sprung. Next thing I know it's been over a hour of table dances.
Maybe I should sample then say I'm looking for VIP treatment? I got five numbers thou and I had each send me a pic so I.could remember who they were.
If they are giving your their # then I would think they play - although they sometimes just do-it to get regulars to come see them at the club and buy dances from them.
Subra and others make the point of just coming in clean and dressed decent-looking, I'm pretty playful with them, it really didn't seem like extras was a big deal to get.
But again I was sitting with Shadow so I'm sure I had more credibility going in than if I had been there alone. So pretty much knew I wasn't LE or a creeper I guess.
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I can't speak for GACA, but I'd bet he'd say it's worth based on the fact that he did 6 (SIX) VIPs in ONE visit
Who can blame him, tho? Follies is awesome. I'm gonna be doing my first VIP there in a couple weeks and I can't wait!
Worth it. Like GoVikings said, I went 5 more times that day.
Follies pays ppl to post reviews !!!
It's a scam
You've been told
First of all one can't be shy in a strip-club and think one will "offend a lady" by asking for sex in VIP - these girls get nude and allow strangers to grope them - so one it's not dealing w/ a local PTA meeting - strip-clubs are about sex and $$$.
It's only natural for a custy to get aroused with a full-nude woman grinding on him and one groping on them - that is the nature of the process - dancers are supposed to get a custy sexually aroused so he'll want to spend $$$ - i.e. dancers know the custies will get sexually aroused and ask for sex; it's par of the course; they are used to-it and are often asked and they understand the deal; particularly in a club where extras occur.
It is your $$$ you are spending in a strip-club so best to take control of the situation and try and get what you would like from your $$$ rather than expecting/hoping the dancers will give you exactly what you want; more often than not dancers rather do as little as possible to get as much of your $$$ as possible so a custy has to be his best/own agent.
Open ended questions, "will it be worth it"; etc; will often get mixed-results - in business it's best to be direct and strip-clubs are primarily about business and everyone trying to get their pound of fle$h all the way down to the bathroom troll.
Everyone may have a particular way they go about VIP/extras; my M.O. is:
+ I'll get some dances from her and see how freaky she is or how receptive she is to my "affections"/wandering-hands; if the dance is low-mileage and she does not like being groped (titties played with, etc) and her grinding is light to low grinding vs good-grinding; i will get the impression she is a dud in VIP although not saying this is 100% foolproof
+ fi she's naughty w/ her dances I'll whipser in her ear and ask her if she does VIP - if she says yes then I'll tell her what I want - i.e. I may ask her if she sucks w/o a condom; and if she fucks
+ if she say yes then I don't ask how much - I already have an idea of the going-rate more or less and will make a fair offer that we are both comfortable with - i may go a little higher if I think she's worth-it or stick to my guns and willing to let her walk if she does not accept the offer I'm comfortable with
+ I will also let her know ahead of time that i do not pay till the end (only pay the room fee upfront) - the best I'll do is show her I have the $$$ but I pay at the end
This method may come across as crude but it's better to be to the point and they either do or they don't - and they won't get offended - this is not a prom or a dating-game - in certain strip-clubs one may be able to me more subtle but either way i tihnk it's best to lay the cards on the table - the dancers are not shy nor beat around the bush w.r.t. what they want ($$$) so neither should custies - too many times custies get pennies on the dollar b/c they don't know any better or are too "shy" to ask and the dancer walks away w/ all his $$$ and his left holding his dick in his hand.
I wad tipping them like $20 bucks thou.
One girl did however played me thou said she gave me 13 dances and I know it was less. I couldn't debate it. I just gave her the money and bounced.
Based on the reviews here there was little risk. Something brilliant would have happened! But I would have spent the $200 pretty much anywhere. It's not like $200 is serious money. In fact, it about what you're spending anyway. Just splurge and see if something brilliant happens! ;)
That's bound to happen in a club that:
+ it's not exactly upscale
+ where there are dozens and dozens of dancers thus more chance of running into ROBs
+ only $j10 dances so dancers may feel more apt to over-count to make $$$
I don't mind spending $$$ but hate getting ripped-off - thus why my M.O. is to tell a dancer to let me know every time she is starting a new song that way I can keep count and she knows I'm keeping count,
Maybe I should sample then say I'm looking for VIP treatment? I got five numbers thou and I had each send me a pic so I.could remember who they were.
But again I was sitting with Shadow so I'm sure I had more credibility going in than if I had been there alone. So pretty much knew I wasn't LE or a creeper I guess.