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Clubs in Tijuana getting cred as Strip Clubs

BuckMcNutter
Do you have a little Italian in you?
I don't like it that these clubs are in the top 10 for strip clubs, they are clearly brothels ...... The whole rating system is tainted because of this ! TUSCL owners.... Take them off this site.
Its not like I won't go there (i've have not been able to yet). But they are clearly in another category.

26 comments

  • shadowcat
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    9 years ago
    Does it really matter when the top 10 is filled with clubs that don't belong there?
  • jester214
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    9 years ago
    The rankings are mostly useless on the national scale.

    They possibly have some merit as a guide to regional quality.
  • motorhead
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    9 years ago
    I agree
  • BuckMcNutter
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    9 years ago
    i guess it doesn't matter..... The entire top 10 is a joke. Pastie club ? Really ? Maybe i have to start my own rankings :)
  • chessmaster
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    9 years ago
    I don't know... My experience with top 10 clubs has been pretty good. Of course there's plenty of good clubs that aren't in the top 10 but I don't think they deserve no recognition.
  • rh48hr
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    9 years ago
    All the top 10 is, is an algorithm taking how people rated a club and comparing that rating to other clubs to come up with a list. There is no taking into account how many reviews a person has (newbie vs. veteran), what people are looking for in their visits (extras vs. eye candy).

    I think jester hit it on the head.

    Btw - while both Hong Kong and Adelita's are brothels, they do have strip club type shows and lap dances going on. Enough so that they qualify to be on this site.
  • san_jose_guy
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    9 years ago
    It is true that strip clubs were originally invented because they could not do anything more than put on a visual show. But things have changed much in most places. You read what is being talked about here, and a large portion of the US clubs also do what is done in Mexico. They are just not as obvious about it.

    So how do you draw a line?

    And besides, I do plan to be in Tijuana, and the fact that they are openly offering long escort sessions and competing with their ability to do this, is what will make it so great. I see it as the heavenly paradise, but here on earth.

    So with such places I'm not interested in the older strip club form.

    I have read that at Talk of the Town Las Vegas they do 3 song sets, the progressive stripping. Sounds good. They are praised for this. But I believe that they also give you what ever you want.

    I know that at one of the PGC Maryland places they have one rule, no touching the girls when they are on stage. This way they do put on a show. But off stage anything goes. It is a membership club, so no restrictions on lewdness or sex acts in view of the other members.

    What line would you draw that keeps the TJ places out of the listing? And then, wouldn't you rather see the US clubs become more like the TJ places?

    SJG
    https://sites.google.com/site/sjgportal/
  • Estafador
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    9 years ago
    Yeah but without their existance on the site, I would have never known they existed and made a trip revolving around that?
  • chessmaster
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    9 years ago
    estafador +1
  • Joe from NJ
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    9 years ago
    So what is wrong with only 2 of the top 50 clubs being a place that provides more?
  • pensionking
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    9 years ago
    estafador +50
    That is the exact perfect, most salient point for why they should be left on this site. Any suggestion to the contrary is folly.
    Under any suitability standard, I would advocate expansion for inclusion rather than contraction. Fellow mongers are looking for options in unfamiliar parts of the country/world.
    For this reason, I vote to leave the quasi-brothels, leave the bikini clubs, and leave the lingerie clubs ALL right here. The attached descriptions and reviews will do the differentiation for us.
  • nemesisk7
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    9 years ago
    Hong Kong is a strip club , he's just mad that he has never been to the best strip club in North America
  • IHearVoices
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    9 years ago
    One thing I will give the top 10: if not for it, I never would've gone to Inner Room. It was up there once when I was on the way home and I stopped by on the strength of that. I plan on going to Baby Dolls in Dallas for the same reason when I go to WrestleMania in April.

    The rankings overall are "ha ha" funny, though: I can name four clubs in Tampa that are better than Doll House, and that number grows to something in double digits when Pasco is included. Shoot, I stayed literally around the corner from Doll House and passed it every time I went out when I was in Tampa in April.
  • BuckMcNutter
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    9 years ago
    @ nemesick

    You are right ive never been and should not judge! Im a little hesitant to ho south of the Border. You know how Mr Trump feels )) also...
    I do however find it hard to believe Tootsies is not in the top 10 ? Its the meca of clubs..

    And Thee Doll house of Tampa and Myrtle must be
    Reviewing as shills forbtheir clubs suck !

  • rickdugan
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    9 years ago
    Aren't they really both strip clubs and brothels? Don't they also have stage performances, LD areas, etc.? If we start removing clubs for being hybrids, there are more than a few domestic clubs that would have to be removed too.
  • JamesSD
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    9 years ago
    Even beyond the TJ clubs, the rankings are mostly useless.
  • san_jose_guy
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    9 years ago
    Mets1986, do you plan to go to TJ? Would you like it better if US clubs could be more like their clubs?

    Do you see it the way I do, that TJ is the Gold Standard?

    For me the answer to all is a definite yes.

    Guys talk about there being a shaving cream show. These are obviously guys who keep a safe distance. When I am there, I won't be keeping any distance.

    Seriously, it sounds like they don't really use the main stage. If a guy sits at it, immediately a girl is climbing onto him. It may not be one who was on stage either.

    But with the back stage, the whipped cream, and the oil and vibrators, and then an account of handcuffing a PL to the pole and servicing him, they do really use it.

    I say that it is not just the law or the economics which are different, it is also just that the people are different. I've learned much about that here in San Jose, from the underground table dancing circuit. But I also plan to fully immerse myself in it in TJ's Zona Norte.

    How to get TJ HK Bar quality in the US?
    https://www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=3…

    Worf Poe's video 1
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XARgc5Um…

    Dr. F.'s definitive HK Bar article
    https://www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=2…

    SJG
    https://sites.google.com/site/sjgportal/…

    Chaka Khan
    http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=yout…
  • san_jose_guy
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    9 years ago
    We could call the Hong Kong Bar a lap sitting club. It sounds like that is what they do the most of.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGdaWjCN…

    Lap dancing used to mean lap sitting, not booths and back rooms. It was better.

    SJG
    https://sites.google.com/site/sjgportal/…
  • san_jose_guy
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    9 years ago
    San Francisco Red Book had good reviews because they didn't talk about 'extras' or 'mileage'. They talked about Red Book GFE = DFK + DATY + BBBJ + MSOG ( multiple shots on goal ).

    But they didn't do this for walk-in AMPs or AAMPs, because they would just be helping LE. They did it for those which required an appointment. No AAMP or RA ( Relaxation Assistant ) ever got busted because of Red Book.

    SJG
    https://sites.google.com/site/sjgportal/

    Chaka Khan, Pori
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmyR84zq…
  • chessmaster
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    9 years ago
    Bottom line is they are strip clubs\brothels. Now if they were brothels with occasional dances here or there that's something else.
  • san_jose_guy
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    9 years ago
  • shadowcat
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    9 years ago
    What about the FKK clubs? I don't think anyone would argue that they are not bordellos yet they are listed on TUSCL. The only reason they have not dominated the top 10 is because there is a minimum number of reviews required to make it to the top 10 ratings. I believe that that number is 8.
  • mjx01
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    9 years ago
    @shadow I think it a minimum number of reviews over a certain period of time. FWIW, I quite like the FKK review on here. LG is my hero. I'm not linguistically gifed enough to read the non-English FKK boards, so I appreciate what we get to learn here.

    The ranks are USELESS because of regional variances. PLs in low mileage areas over rate their local clubs because they don't know that there is better out there. Also, the rating categories have very limited ability to summarize 'quality' of a club. For example, what is value? Is $20 for an hour of great eye candy at Camelot (DC) good vale even though there are no LDs?
  • san_jose_guy
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    9 years ago
    To me the FKK clubs sound like bordellos. Well, some are more like strip clubs and urban. But some of the big ones are more like outdoor oriented country clubs where you stay in something like a hotel room. It is all one property and one business.

    Actually, from reading Peter's Tips, about the TJ clubs. They really are not brothels. Brothels are not legal in Mexico.

    What they are are hooker bar - strip clubs, which just happen to be next to hotels.

    For it to be legal, the hotel must be a separate business. And even with the Hong Kong Bar, this is so.

    So no one knows what goes on between two consenting adults in a hotel. Likewise in the bar, you cannot prove what is being discussed between two consenting adults.

    That TJ is one of the few places still with a Tolerance Zone, means that the government can and does issue prostitution licenses. But these are issued to the service provider and require regular health examinations. Brothels are still illegal, even in the TJ Tolerance Zone.

    So in some of the TJ videos they show a guy being taken to an upstairs room and shown a lineup. We are told that this is Mermaids, a massage parlor, basically a brothel. This place has no outside signage. Instead they station a girl out on the sidewalk to entice passers by into coming up stairs. These places have no fixed address They are not legal in Mexico, even in TJ's Zona Norte.

    Anyway, I feel that the Hong Kong bar is more of a strip club than the large rural FKK clubs. But even more, the Hong Kong bar is an exemplar of what a strip club should be trying to be. True that they don't seem to be regular in how they use the main stage. But they do make very good use of that back stage. So I say it is entitled to all the reviews it has gotten, and to it's ranking.

    I agree though that in general numerical rankings are useless. To many guys are interested in Show Clubs and in extras and mileage, and not in good quality GFE-FS.

    SJG
    https://sites.google.com/site/sjgportal/
  • chessmaster
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    9 years ago
    Everybody says its useless for national purposes but what if some people aren't interested in leaving town just to go to a strip club. You really think a lot of people are going to go from the west coast to Atlanta or Detroit(seems to be the 2 cities everyone on here loves only because they're full of extras) just for a strip club? It may be true that reviewers from low mileage area overrate clubs because they don't any better( although this is subjective because we are assuming everyone is interested in mileage and extras first and foremost) but shouldn't every major area be represented by its best club(s)? I think so.
  • mjx01
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    9 years ago
    ^^ The city rankings make the most sense.... even though those still have flaws. State rankings are less reliable, and national ranking even more unreliable.

    I'm always a bit surprised that Canadian options don't compete well with TJ. I guess it is bc TJ is cheaper and larger # of so cal TUSCLer vs. Canadians.
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