OTC Signs?
Greetings all,For all you pros/more experienced regulars out there, I was hoping any of youse could give your opinions/takes on a few questions I have to be on the look-out for signs of an OTC hook-up.
So several nights ago I returned to a local titty-bar I used to frequent a few times annually in the past & there was this dancer whom I've never met, yet I took her to the VIP room for a private dance after easily hitting it off (Probably too easily for I reeked in CK cologne prior to heading out plus like any normal interaction, a conversation took off to the next stage). Some time in the midst of the private dance, it got slightly weirder in a very hot way when she pulled my dick out of my fly & began giving me a handjob. Hell, she even got wilder when she allowed me to finger her twat a couple times. Perhaps as a finale, she grinded on my leg 'til she came & dropped to the floor on her knees asking for a couple of minutes of respite. Interestingly, we both at times kept an eye on others passing by the VIP room for it's covered in a see-thru curtain & such activities are not expected or even non-existent. I had a wild time with a dancer whose been on the job for several months & yet this is the 1st time I've experienced literally a private dance, which begs the question for starters: How common do these "extra goodies" occur in a VIP dance in a typical strip club?
Don't get me wrong, it felt like a roller coaster ride for the 1st round. It was just very short-lived. I probably should've asked for her # prior to closing time. Since then, she's been haunting me practically everyday & I plan to go back in a matter of weeks to follow-up on this. Before I do though, these questions kept me riddled with what to do upon my return for I want to see only her...
1) All credit goes to m99999's article of "OTC - Not all's cracked up to be." https://www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=2…. I've never been in a relationship before nor am I much interested in 1, atleast anytime soon. The problem is "curiosity always kills the cat." To keep myself from self-destructing, I plan to keep in mind of 1 thing & 1 thing only: Fun. I've read up on many topics related to this matter. Still, I'm unsure of the best approaches to confront this matter. How would y'all go about hitting it off?
2) After describing this adrenaline rush I've felt, what are the chances she's into me...promiscuously? It's funny, I was able to taste the "extra mileage" behind the private room & she was so tempted in giving me DFK but held back for we're constantly watching the entrance to keep them bouncers from throwing me out & probably banning me from the club for good.
3) Being vigilant in saving myself from heading towards catastrophe with a dancer OTC is easier said than done since we're all humans & how we manage & adjust situations vary as we all have our own ways to do so. Is there anything I outta be aware of to keep the no-strings relationship from diverting to an unwanted zone?
4) Either upon the next return or some time later on, I'm thinkin' of getting her a little something to remember me by as my way of expressing my gratituity for a wild time. Am I already starting to go overboard or do you regulars find that this normally happens? I'm not splurging or anything. I still would like to take it slow, so I'm trying my damndest to stay cautious yet have fun.
That's all I can come up with at the moment. Feel free to add/critique anything about my post. Thanks for your time.
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But she doesn't want you thinking a lot about this shit. She wants you to come back with your wallet full o' moolah! You clearly enjoyed the whole experience so get your ass back to the club and get some more groovy groovy HJ action.
If you want OTC just ask. She isn't going to be insulted. I suspect dudes have asked her far some really hardcore shit. I bet the dude before you asked her for OTC and suggested she dress as Ilsa, she devil of the SS, dress him in a gimp mask, and then repeatedly taser him in the nuts. Of course, that dude was Juice and he was only offering a bucket o' fried chicken as payment. Believe me...she ain't going to be insulted by "let's meet OTC".
Maybe if you meet OTC you'll figure out what she likes and get something appropriate for her, in addition to moolah. But for now dude...bring money to "da club".
My take on your questions:
That stuff happens all the time in VIP. Don't assume you're special because you got that treatment. Assume she does that with very guy that goes back there with her. Regardless of whether they had a long interesting conversation at his table, or whether he walked into the club for the first time, saw her, flashed his bankroll at her and said "You. Me. VIP. Now. Bitch."
1) In terms of how to line up OTC, I think Dougster's motto is a good place to start: just ask. If she does it for money, she'll tell you how much and off you go. I personally think there are some girls who are more selective about who they see OTC. Since I believe that, I think technique can matter. I think this thread is helpful in that regard:
https://www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=1…
Pay attention to three comments in that thread - those by georgemicrodong, sowhatt, and tdkrises.
2) Assume there's 0% chance she's into you. Assume she's a great actress and a great hustler.
3) She won't have any problem keeping this no strings attached emotionally speaking. It's always the customers who struggle. Especially newbies. If you want to make this your hobby, I'd suggest starting off by going to many clubs and interacting with many dancers. You'll see how alike they are in their hustle and this one dancer will probably seem less special to you. I kind of think that having a dancer you focus a lot of your strip club attention on isn't for beginners who don't know how to keep their feelings in check.
4) Don't buy her presents. At best she won't care, at worst she'll think you're creepy. Don't tip her big either, you're basically saying rape my wallet. She'll be happy just to have your repeat business.
The only thing I'll add is - this is business to her. Not personal.
When I say to stay in control, I mean that in many way. Control your emotions. Control what you say. Control how much you spend. Control the interactions between you two.
What you need to do is make her want you. Make her need you. Not the other way around. The moment you start validating yourself to be worthy of her, it's all over.
Definitely don't buy her any gifts unless you've smashed that pussy 2-3 times righteously. Even then, I'd advise against it.
Just dump everything in the writing. By doing this you will be able to see ypurself as the third person and also release minutiae or pressure trapped inside.
When you get it written down publish it here or publish it on a weblog.
Release that toxic minutiae bro.
Next time you walk in the SC you'll be refreshed and strong.
"Boy, you need to whup that pussy don't let that pussy whup you."
Just say no! Look at it two ways; If she's playing you for the money, don't get obsessed thinking about her. Guaranteed she has done this with numerous others. On the other hand, if she really likes you, you have opened up a Pandora's Box of issues in her life, mentally and financially. Trust me, you don't want any parts of that!
Keep a strong rotation of dancers, and hit other clubs. I've always said that dating a stripper can be the best short term relationship you'll ever have, and you'll be left with an empty wallet and a scorned heart if you try to take it any deeper. Just have fun, and move on. That's exactly what she's doing.
You’ve gotten sincere advice from those that have been there and done that – but ultimately *you* will be the one making the decision and you may think your case/stripper is different from our experience – fair enough.
If there is any advice I would give you:
1) the “bizarro effect†– in the “real world’ we tend, and feel like we should; give folks the benefit of the doubt – in SC “bizarro worldâ€; you should do the opposite – DO NOT give strippers the benefit of the doubt – assume their interest in you is *just* for your $$$ until time proves otherwise
2) go read “stripperweb.com†– it’s a site for dancers – see what they say/think about us and about guys that give them gifts – at best they look at gifters as guys that sadly don’t’ know the game/reality and at worst as ultimate/creepy PLs
“… I've never been in a relationship before …â€
This definitely makes you more susceptible to a stripper’s attentions/game IMO and even more reason to proceed with extra caution – assume she is playing you until she proves otherwise (and that takes time).
Don’t play with fire unless you like getting burned.
:)
(need rent money, car needs repair, kid needs food/clothes, ex won't pay )
As others have said, just enjoy it for what it is. If you want OTC with her you might as well ask, you're not likely to be ruining a good thing.
As originally stated, I'm only after some fun & even if it's temporary I'm after the joyride 'til it's game over. I work as a Front Desk Agent & I've studied people consciously & subconciously since I started back last Summer (Hell, it beats taking a Sociology course in college; not to mention you get paid instead of paying for the learning experience). Though I have yet to frequent different titty-bars other than my local & another one in the city, I've been observing the atmosphere ITC diligently while simply having a good time as a patron. Perhaps the most important thing to always remember is them dancers are human 1st & foremost. I've known it's always been about the money whether we'd like to bring it up or not. Ain't that why we all work? Money, it's all there ever is.
It's funny, I wanna bring up an experience I've been haunted with for the past 3 years. Met this particular dancer back in late January 2011 & gradually fell head over heels for her yet everytime I return just to see her, we mostly catch up & have fun ITC. Eventually I began developing a mentality that deep within I really wanna jump the gun & ask her out in hopes of turning this fantasy into a reality though my other-half keeps reminding me I'm only chasing after an obsession/illusion that's gonna kill me sooner or later. & lately for the past couple times I went back, I was aching for closure yet she's not there during those times. I'm just about done, but I'm planning 1, 2 more visits tops to see if she's still there. If she's scheduled on whatever days, I'm going back to play it cautiously with questions that doesn't lead to a blow-out & see where it'll leads me. If she no longer works there, then that's the end of that chapter.
But I digress. Again, I appreciate all the feedbacks from everyone. SlickSpic, that Witherspoon's saying is hilarious, but right on! This is only the start of such researching & it's always a nice time spent on reading up as much there is about OTCs. I'm still weighing in between going all out with an escort or finding out the deal with those 2 dancers I brought up. I won't let it destroy me regardless...
Sounds like an LTR is not in the picture as far as what your looking for. Tell her you would like to hook up with her OTC. Don't bring up paying her for it, let her bring it up if she's going to.
If she asks for money only after the porking, act really heart-broken that she pretended to be horny for you. Then, if you're feeling generous, give her what you can afford, and don't see her again without agreeing to $$$ beforehand.