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For all you Onegina PLs... (even more ATF/CF ruminations)

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theDirkDiggler
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Nov 28, 2017, 12:00 AM

I never did understand the people that came to a club for just one stripper. For most of my strip clubbing career, i was a volume monger, although i still preferred quality dancers. So i was like a club player or a superchump if you will. Then in the last few years, i tended to limit my dances to a select few favorites and regulars but still often danced with numerous strippers in the same club and almost always more than one. That is until i met my current ATF. Now, i'm talking about mid-sized to large clubs, so if most of your experience is in small or dive clubs with only a handful of dancers or even less per shift, usually dayshift, this might not apply to you as your pickings might always be pretty slim. I won't say that i'm now a true believer, but i understand now.

When i had just favorites and my previous ATFs, i might say to myself, oh, i wouldn't mind spending all of my budget on her over splitting in on a number of less desired dancers AND her, especially if she was head and shoulders over the others there. Often after all was said and done, i did wish i could have had some of those dances back and spent it on her instead or not at all even. And at one club, my club favorite was considerably better than the rest as that club just continued to suffer from an exodus of talent including that former club favorite eventually, and i came, NPI, specifically for her. But for the most part, there were and still are several high quality, high fun girls working at my favorite clubs and just the joy of finding a new hot fun girl to play with never gets old and is always worth spending some money on IMO. I also still have fond memories of most of my favorites that i don't see anymore and wouldn't mind seeing them again. Variety is the spice of life.

But with my current ATF, whom i thought was so much better than the rest of my favorite girls, i would actually rather spend all of my money on her instead of on her and some of my other favorites. I usually never regret (okay maybe regret is a strong word and i'm generally not a regretful person, so maybe buyer's remorse then?) spending money on any favorite or high quality, fun dancer as i almost always have a very enjoyable time with her. But if i wanted to have the BEST time, i would still have rather had all my dances with my current ATF if i'm going to spend the same amount of money anyway. I mean the flooding of brain chemicals is just a different story and level with her.

Enter my last club visit. My ATF is very popular and just doesn't give out her number. She also does very well and can come whenever she wants or feels like and still make money. But she has a "regular" schedule, and says that she all but consistently comes on certain days. So i thought it would be one of those days, Saturdays, where i have never seen her not work. She had even told me on my last visit that she would be in on this particular Saturday. Lo and behold, she's not there. I am pretty bummed, sad even, and just thinking of high tailing it as i brought a lot of money to spend just on her and i didn't want to "waste" it on other girls (yes, i now consider spending money on my 2nd, 3rd and beyond favorites a bit of a waste).

I look around and see about three girls i've danced with before and had great times with. They see me, but they're thankfully and rightfully occupied with other customers and don't come my way. One of them (probably my number two, but not always before that visit, and consistently one of my favorites there over the last couple of years) always somehow ends up convincing me of getting more dances that i had originally planned with her; she is still quite good and once i start with her it is hard to stop. I figure i should just probably wait for her instead of going to the club for nothing. I also see one or two of the less attractive dancers that i've gotten plenty of dances from before, but don't anymore and do my best to avoid any contact with them. Since it's Saturday, they're also thankfully occupied. And one of the more attractive girls there that gives only average to decent dances was working there and made her way to me. But i haven't danced with her in a long time, so we just talked a bit and that was it.

For most of my time there, i'm not sitting at a table, but standing near the bar where they have a long counter/island in front of the actual bar for customers to just put their drinks on and stand around and about talking to other customers or dancers and watch the stage from a distance. You're less likely to get hard sells that way as dancers can't sit on your lap, any intimate "handshakes" are more awkward and obvious, so you just mostly chill or shoot shit while keeping an eye out for a dancer you want to grab, which is what i'm doing. Very soon, i feel a warm hand touch my back and waist and i feel and immediately know it's not a stranger or new dancer (every woman just has a different energy). I turn around and i see a girl who only goes there semi-seasonally. She has a regular job or two that pays pretty well (around $18-30 dollars an hour according to her) and only strips when she's in the area (her family is there) and wants to make extra money. I've had great dances with her and even better chemistry. She has told me that she leans toward lesbian (usually has a GF) but seems to really like me, yeah probably SS, the liking me part anyway.

So our dances while great have historically been a bit on the conservative side. She doesn't seem to particularly enjoy penetration as many lesbians don't, although not all straight women do either. But i haven't seen her in a while so we go to the LD area where her dances are now two or three notches above our previous dances and less conservative, seriously rivaling and probably exceeding the former number two. It doesn't hurt that her already great tits with wonderfully long nipples (when they get hard, and they did get hard pretty easily) seems even larger now. I have one multi-dance session, and she finds me about an hour later telling me she was about to leave (it was true as she got there when they opened and she wasn't going to stay there for 12 hours) and we did another great multi-dance session both with modest tipping (although the second session had less tipping, $10).

I still have a lot of money left, and am feeling pretty good. The former number two is still talking to the same bottle service customer who is spending some money at the table to keep her there, but probably nowhere near the equivalent of multi-dances. I then spot another dancer that i haven't seen in over a year and she clearly recognizes and remembers me. She gives almost out of the world dances (my only issue with her dances is she moves around a little more than i like during her dances opposed to the ATF that does things exactly the way i like) but she's probably an 8.5 or maybe more like a 9 instead of the 10 my ATF is; she has a very pretty although heavily made up face, but her body isn't quite as fit and her tits although larger aren't quite as nice. I'm very tickled to be able to run into her again and after some small talk and catching up we're soon heading off to the chump station.

She had on this very sexy getup and crotchless undies under her onesie which made kitty play almost irresistable and immediate. A couple dances later the undies came off as well. But all the while, her dances were even better than i remembered, and they were always great. She was moving more to my rhythm but still grinding more than i usually like, but still very nice. She was talking dirtier than usual, telling me what she would like me to do to her and strongly encouraging me to do whatever i wanted with her as well as asking what else i wanted to do and being even more affectionate. Very rarely do i see this type of generosity and affection from such a hot stripper. I also rarely kiss during dances, mostly because it's not offered, and when i do it's mostly just a slightly lingering soft closed mouthed kiss but more than an impersonal peck. But she was being much more sensual and sexy and it was feeling much more closer to GFE or something different altogether like very hot GFE. Basically, everything i've ever wanted to do in a regular lap dance(s), i did with her and i tipped her generously. Her dances seriously rivaled if not exceeded the ATF's dances. I guess you could compare it to getting your favorite meal at a restaurant, but the main food item is out, so you have to pick something else that's not your first choice, but somehow, it really hits the spot even better than your favorite meal usually does (for those of you foodies that tend to order the same thing every time at a particular restaurant).

I STILL had a decent amount of money left (so evidently i spend a ton on my ATF or am prepared to just in case), but not a lot, but enough where i could visit the club and hopefully the ATF sooner than later, or i could spend it on other favorites or rather one more round with my new clear number 2 (the last dancer) as there was far from any guarantee that i would be able to run into her again soon. The thing is these two dancers were never technically favorites as i didn't see them enough, so they aren't used to me spending hundreds on them and don't expect it and didn't push for it in the chump station (forever the new term for the LD area), often asking me if i wanted to go on during the sessions, where my favorites would automatically go on until i stopped them. So theoretically, i could continue to have great times with them without spending anywhere near as much as on my ATF. I decided to call it a night, and a very good one at that as i was already more than satisfied despite spending less. Usually when i leave a club with a substantial amount of money left in my pockets, i'm a bit or quite a bit disappointed, but not this time.

I had come to the club with a clear plan or intention, but instead i just left more confused than ever. On one hand, i didn't see who i had come to see, but on the other hand, if she had been there, i would have likely if not probably missed out on two great experiences, one of them being worthy of my personal SC hall of fame. So i might just be back to where i started...no longer going to the club for just one stripper. Who really knows though? Maybe a few more visits with the ATF changes all that all over again...

I know this could have worked as a club review, but since this related more to the psychology of PLs and favorites than club specifics besides specific dancers who will remain unnamed, i thought it served better as an article.

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JohnTitor

I historically find the one (on very rare occasions two) stripper that I want to experience, and it's pretty much as if no other dancers even exist.

Have my type, know it, and that works for me. For me, dropping the $$ on what I EXACTLY want beats testing the waters and spreading myself thinner than I'd like.

Interested in seeing what other guys' views are on this. Thank you for the article.

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theDirkDiggler

^ I can definitely see that view now. And i always had that view in the back of my mind for awhile, but for the longest time, i was like a kid in an adult candy store. I wanted to try everything good even if i had my favorite(s).

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rogertex

Similar to going to an exotic polynesian buffet. First time you wanna try everything. Next few visits you get more selective and as a regular settle for few items you like the best.

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theDirkDiggler

^ I was going to make the high end buffet analogy as well. But i like candy store analogy better not just because of the excitement factor, but because IRL, you can't have all that you can eat for a small price. Boy that would be something...

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rogertex

^ True Dat Dirk !

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JohnTitor

Ha even when I was a neophyte at the strip club scene I would the primary one that was my type, more or less...hopefully much more.

I appreciate the kid in a candy store or buffet analogy, but I've always been selective as fuck be it women or food, so I always knew the fat strippers would get their $$ somehow after I shooed them away.

My only variant (as it should be for any monger) is if the one that you thought was a goddess gives shit dances or has some other obvious malfunction. Then, ship 'em out, move 'em out, and encounter the next daddy's little girl that will assist you in busting a fucking nut lol

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theDirkDiggler

Update: This article was written and completed a few weeks ago about an event that happened a few weeks before that so a few things have changed since. One, my ATF gave me her number after i told her about missing her on that Saturday and i actually texted her to make sure she was working the next visit which resulted in her obtaining my number. Two, i visited the ATF a few more times, cementing her ATF status. I never did see the lovely new number two from the article again. So i'm kind of kicking myself for not doing another round with her as i'm already starting to forget that wonderful experience.

I did see the other girl (first chump station partner in the article) there recently during my "pathethic" encounter detailed in a recent discussion. If that girl had gotten to me before my ATF and she actually walked past me without seeing me (phew), i wonder how things would have changed (her dances possibly going up yet another notch or two on a terrible day for dancers), as i almost certainly wouldn't refuse her dances, even if i came very specifically for the ATF.

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Papi_Chulo

It seems many of the SC vets end up sticking to a fave(s) as their SC M.O. - fave/regular "relationships" def have their advantage, i.e. one knows what to expect and the fave usually delivers as expected, plus a certain-level of trust develops where the fave will often feel more comfortable going further w/ a regular they've known for a while.

But, I can't stick to just one woman in a club full of women - and per my wiring I get more excited about what IDK about a dancer than what I already know - I def get more of a rush from meeting new-dancers than dancers I've already been with - sticking w/ just one-dancer makes me feel like I'm missing-out on new experiences.

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Papi_Chulo

And perhaps having a fave would be cheaper - me liking variety and wanting to try every dancer in the club that piques an interest gets to be expensive, whereas w/ a fave I could sorta pace myself and be more easily satisfied thus leading me to spend less, I think.

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theDirkDiggler

^ If you go to a lot of different clubs it might be hard to cultivate a favorite or regular. Or maybe any black brickhouse that gives a good dance will do ;)

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Papi_Chulo

^ yeah - the latter - I don't have a fave not b/c I haven't found-one, but b/c I haven't wanted one

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DFreshPalace

If I may comment on this I was once like you but then I found the perfect woman in every sense of the word. I know she's busy but I also know that she's all that I want. I can find other things to do while I wait for her. I actually just hand her an envelope when I first walk in and she takes care of the rest for the entire night. As long as I am with her I don't care. She is the only thing that matters. I know it can be difficult to turn down others but will power and knowing what you (I) want is what keeps me going back. I enjoyed this article and Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

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theDirkDiggler

@mdb2203 Glad you enjoyed the article. I'm not a natural writer and probably haven't really written anything formal in over a decade, but there are definitely some people worth writing for. Just to let you know, i am back to being a one woman PL (for the most part; i just can't be mean to a former favorite and will still oblige her if even for a little while) in the club after the last few experiences with the ATF. I mean i wouldn't mind enjoying the last dancer in the article again, but i just haven't seen her again and being out of sight she's gradually out of my mind. Oh, and your most recent article was a good read. I'll leave a comment in the near future.

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theDirkDiggler

^ After the LDK, the conversations may or may not be more honest on your end, hmmm...

Welp, all i know is that she's going to have to get sick of me (or my money) first, because i am NEVER going to get sick of her. She'd have to shock me somehow, and there is nothing so far (so far being key but still) about her that is close to shocking. I would like to think that i'm getting more endearing to her as i know she deals with quite a few assholes and "creeps" (according to her) every day she works. And the last time i saw her was probably the happiest i've ever seen her to see me. I might find it ever so hard to resist "rescuing" her from terrible nights...

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^ I was just comparing post LDK to being drunk. You might be less likely to lie, but you also might not say thing you normally would. Although some people have more clarity (no longer affected by horniness) depending on how long afterwards.

If I remember, i thought she was willing to meet you OTC pretty early in your "relationship". I wouldn't think that she would be more resistant now. I also thought the lack of kitty play was self-imposed on your part (of course restraint is another issue) but it could also be a club issue as well. Otherwise, it doesn't seem to make that much sense that she would have a boundary regarding that unless it was inconsistent or partially dependent on how much money was involved (money talks). I means she's already squeezing her bare pussy lips very intimately all over your ejaculating penis (over the pants, but still) long after the fact where most dancers would definitely ease up and distant themselves after knowingly causing that; it just seems an unusual boundary to have after all that.

Funny thing is i've had dancers (mostly favorites and regulars) tell me how sweet or respectful i was and what a nice touch i had almost while i was practically or literally fingerbanging them, lol. Or they would say things like that after i was done with numerous "dirty" dances with them. I guess there's a respectful way to do "dirty" things. Almost with every favorite or regular including the ATF, their usual boundaries (if they had them) have always decreased over several visits or even one visit. Sometimes, it happened when they moved to a dirtier club. But usually, i just somehow manage to get within their comfort level. Or i guess i just overspend on them over time.

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theDirkDiggler

^ I think the actual boundaries are very important to a dancer's psyche. I too have had the unfortunate experience, more than once sadly, of a dancer snapping or getting very angry when her pussy was touched. I could feel the palpable anger and the sexy energy was just all gone and the rest of the dance i just felt unpleasant and flushed and the blood pressure was high in a bad way. It didn't make too much sense at the time because the girls didn't seem to have any problem grinding their bare pussy lips so hard on my junk i could feel their heat, wetness and softness but it was on their terms. I'm just glad i don't have to deal with that with the ATF as she knows that i like it and thus voluntarily offers that to me (just backs or moves that pussy right up to me) with the likely fake moaning and cooing when it happens although she is the most sensitive/sensual girl i've known.

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Seeing a girl only ITC, is the undeniable mark of a PL. For some reason, something in his personal life, he cannot see women OTC.

Married and can't resolve it, jobless?

While I do have sympathy and do not make moral judgements in such areas. The ideal should be to transcend PL status.

Seeing one woman is fine, just see her OTC. No reason to keep fattening strip clubs owners, or engaging with your woman via strip club rules.

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@SJG I'm self aware enough to know where i stand with my ATF or any favorite or regular dancer i see ITC. I know i can only do this because i pay for it. Just because i take it OTC doesn't make it any more real. You still have to pay for it. It might make more business sense (from my POV although sometimes it can cost more to OTC) and it's definitely more preferred and comfortable for all parties. But it's still just an expensive fantasy and a shared moment, and it doesn't matter where it occurs as long as it is with her. Of course we we all want optimum and ideal experiences. If they were so easy and inexpensive, i would be having them regularly, but it is what it is.

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Sex acts with a women, its not just for male physical release, its always to get the girl worshiping your cock, its about getting under her skin, getting a kind of hold on her.

And the way to get between her ears is between her legs.

OTC you have more freedom with the girl, and you can get her more loosened up and more fully giving it up.

And DirkDigger, don't listen to SirLapDance, he is an extreme form of TUSCL imbecile.

And SirLapDance, I am sorry that your local strip clubs don't have girls that provoke the hormonal reaction of wanting to have her and possess her, which would make you want to take her to bed and spend night after night fucking her brains out. Your clubs must have nothing at all like what our local clubs have.

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san_jose_guy

In AMPs and other P4P venues, money goes far, very far, but there is still a limit. If you want intimacy, of which DFKing is the best indicator, then you have to use other approaches than offering money. Money is more like the girl's insurance policy, but no longer her primary motivation.

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SLD, you stupid idiot, just because a woman is employed in an AMP and that such work usually includes sex acts, this does not mean that she is something any different from an other ordinary woman.

You SLD see it a certain way, because the women are just reflecting back to you the attitude you have towards them.

I on the other hand never treat them differently than I would any other women. And just because she is blatantly presenting herself as a prostitute, all the more reason to always treat her as a lady.

So, as in the reviews on RubMaps, and echoing what AMP girls have always told me, most guys are naked on the table trying to offer the girl money for sex. They keep bidding up until she agrees. And of course that is an extreme form of denigration.

I on the otherhand am starting out engaging with the girl with my clothes on, so she doesn't have to worry about unwelcome BBFS, and on my feet, flattering her and telling her all the things a girl wants to know, but knows not to ask in a P4P venue. This may progress to the girl being on my lap. But usually the key step is when DFKing ensues. From that point on the girl knows that this will be a FS encounter, and a mind blowing one at that.

So there is never any mention of money until she mentions it. After all, she is just a girl I met at a party. And she is not expected to solicit. She does not need to extend herself or do anything which would be considered unlawful.

Now after an intense makeout session is in order, but before her clothes are off, she usually will ask for money. But at that point I had better not be a cop.

I resist all such temptations to use money to further persuade her if she is resistant. Sometimes they are resistant to DFKing and to talk about FS. Maybe they are just playacting. But either way, I never try to use money to persuade them. I just keep talking about myself and trying to turn on the charm and tell her about myself. I make it so I am no longer a stranger to her.

Almost always then she will flip and ask for money for FS. Sometimes the girl will flip and initiate DFKing first.

Sometimes they never mention money, but they will still get it at the end anyway.

After all is done, usually the girl wants me to walk her out the front door. Some have wanted to move in with me, immediately.

With strippers, the same basic logic applies. "I don't go out with customers". But soon, when she sees I am not treating her at all like a prostitute, but like a girl I met at a party or at my own work place, changes to her offering apologies. And then the next night finding her voice on my telephone answering machine.

Sure, today strip clubs have gone harder core. At many prostitution ITC or OTC is the norm. But that still does not mean you have to treat the girl like a prostitute. They still very much like being treated as a 'lady', and they respond differently to guys who consistently do that.

Money is a show of care and respect, what in other countries would be seen as Mistress Maintenance. But it is never intended to persuade them to do anything they wouldn't otherwise be perfectly happy to do.

To get under a girl's skin, you have to treat her like a lady, and it is best to be spending at least over nighters with her, and to be fucking her brains out in multiple rounds regularly.

And no one respects a guy who is long term committed to cheating on his wife. I certainly don't and f2f would show little tolerance for the presence of such a dickhead.

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san_jose_guy

Pay them yes. That is customary and expected, and the girls could not afford to be there unless they were taking in money. Regular money keeps them from falling prey to parasitic industries, FIRE ( Finance, Insurance, Real Estate ). But my money is just a show of respect and care. It is never used to motivate them to do anything they would not be perfectly happy to do without that money, if it were in a different setting.

I have no desire to economize with my women. No reason to. Money is a show of care and concern. And they get it until they show that they don't want or need it. All the more so for women coming from 3rd world counties where there are less options for women, outside of marriage, and where likely they have not had the chance to develop much of a career in the US.

What they do for me, is usually very different from what they do for people who pay the same or more. Its in how they treat me, and how they open up to me and let intimacies develop.

More often than not the key to this is DFKing. A few high FS volume AMP girls are used to this. But most of the time they still only do it when they have already decided that it is with a guy they want to be seeing outside. But far more are completely disarmed by someone who has the audacity to DFK them, and so they just turn to jelly and the FS which then ensures is mind blowing. And I'm talking about dolled up young Vietnamese Fashion Plates.

As far as it being ejaculation services, I dispute this. I don't think seeking ejaculation services is a good thing. What I do is different. For one think, in AMPs, HJ is standard. But I never seek that. It only happens when Aunt Flo is visiting. And if I'd of known that, I'd of postponed until another day. I always seek FS, and GFE-FS at that.

When you go for ejaculation services, it is quite unilateral. It does not effect the girl the same way that FS does.

From being close to people in the AAMP business, it seemed to me that there were two types of customers. One type wanted BBBJ till completion. These types were there, but they were less common. Most wanted FS, and the offering of DFK, DATY, and 2x FS (MSOG).

I would always be in this second and larger group which the AAMP biz is set up to cater to. It is an Asian competition to our domestic Escort services. And these are almost always DFK, DATY, MSOG.

We see people writing about Mexico. I think most of the people want DFK + FS, and many also want DATY and that second pop, or more.

Some BBBJ is fine, but most of the time I don't think they want it till completion, because that is then one less round of FS that they can do.

Girls only seem to favor BBBJ till completion when Aunt Flo is visiting, or when it is in the context of an ongoing sexual relationship where there is lots and lots of FS, so it is more of a novelty.

If you meet a girl at a strip club, why would you want her to make you ejaculate when you could just as well let her see that you are saving that for when you and she can engage in FS? And if your area has FS strip clubs, why would you not instead patronize those?

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theDirkDiggler

I thought that this article deserved a second and lenghty update (like a part II, but i don't think i'll bother with making a whole new article for it) for anyone that cares. If not, oh well. I recently visited the ATF again. But this time the second favorite was there too. And even a third favorite who has ATF potential. As an aside, all their personalities are great and on the sweet side with very little bitchiness at least not in front of me. I only danced with the first two though. But this time i was able to make a direct comparison back to back. I danced with the ATF first spending the vast majority of my time and money on her. They were on the typical level for her, but a little less good as the last time and slightly mailed in.

The other girl had gained a little bit of weight (probably holiday weight), it made a slight but noticeable difference and she was always a little thicker, but she's definitely closer to an 8 than a 9 now, which actually made a difference in the dances and not in a good way. But I still have to honestly admit that she gives a better or at least a hotter, sexier and more sensual and experienced dance than the ATF. There was a noticeably different energy with her and her dances. She is definitely one of the super sexual/sensual dancers that i discussed in one of my recent discussions. The unfortunate thing is i had to see her dance with two other PLs ahead of me for noticeably lengthy times (and why not as she gives a hell of a sexy if not outright naughty dance) so i wasn't as keen on playing with her orifices (and i'm not talking about the backdoor, which is just too freaking unsanitary for me).

The ATF dances at a more relaxed pace which still goes by super quickly. The other girl dances with a more, i don't want to say urgency, but definitely more activeness. Almost like we're having parking lot sex. Because of "our" activeness, the dances didn't fly by as quickly, if that makes any sense. We did a lot more activity in the course of one song. I would have to reluctantly say that she has the more value in her dances in that i can get my fill of her pretty quickly and more economically, while with the ATF, i could probably dance the whole night with her and still want to keep going.

So after all this, i have a bit of a conundrum. I still "like" the ATF better for various reasons; i just have to reevaluate if it is worth it to spend as much time (and the required money) with her and her only. I'm definitely going to take the rest of the holiday period off for SCing in general and develop some clarity of the situation. I won't even go into the third favorite. A PL can only have such "problems"...

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theDirkDiggler

^ You can't really call the other girl a CF since she works at the same place as the ATF unless i come on a day she works that the ATF doesn't, but i have no desire for that. The ATF is close to two points higher (a 10 compared to maybe a little over an 8). When someone has as much of an aesthetic need as me, that can make a considerable difference. She just has a very different dance style and even her physical quirks are very different. The ATF has more of a learning curve of her own. She is quite sensitive to pain (and pleasure) and has to be handled gently compared to the other girl who is probably down for some kinky stuff, including some two-way biting and rougher play. It's ALMOST a little too much for me and better in somewhat smaller doses than the ATF. The "chemistry" is also better (seems less manufactured and expensive if not even natural).

Still, the ATF just has a more addictive quality to her and is definitely the closest thing to a DS that i've ever had, so it is pretty clear to me with her ATF status. The ATF is also less naughty and i just get the feeling that she is quite a bit more selective of what she does for how much and with whom. She also always so fresh and clean and sweet smelling and never sweaty during dances, but then she also usually gets to me pretty early. The other one seemed much less distinguishing and i saw the rather unappealing PLs she was with earlier for lengthy sessions. This also has an effect on my perception of our dances (less nagging thoughts in the back of my mind; sloppy thirds and beyond).

For giggles, the third favorite is a little closer to the ATF, in terms of dancing style but shares some of the sexier qualities (including chemistry) of the other favorite; they both seem really into the dances. She's also losing weight recently (tends to fluctuate from slender to slightly thick) and is a strong 9 and improving. Surely, if i never met the ATF, i would definitely consider either CFs, but not likely to be exclusive or near exclusive with either, although the third favorite is just intriguing in her potential (can still improve in both looks and dancing) quite possibly already displacing the second favorite.

I still compare every dancer and dance at any club to the ATF for reference and in a sense she has somewhat "ruined" me to other dancers, giving me the overall best but also the most expensive experience out of them, maybe even considerably more expensive both short and long term. I would have never thought i could be a onegina PL. I'm still more of a natural variety guy.

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theDirkDiggler

^ Yeah, i probably do make it too easy for my ATF. But i can't buy her outright for an entire weekend shift or even the entire time i'm there (i usually stay at a club 3-4 hours or more), so i have to spend a decent amount to "hold" her or get first priority. It probably averages out to around $200 for each hour i spend with her (she can make that pretty consistently on weekends with other customers/regulars), the large portion of that getting dances.

That's another thing. I can easily spend an hour or more just getting dances with her (as expensive as that sounds). Other dancers, maybe not so much. With the ATF, i tend to enjoy the entire process, experience or journey (which also has a nice therapeutic quality as well) rather than seeking a goal although we do a lot of fun sexy things throughout as well. With other dancers there is definitely more of a goal or endgame in mind. With the ATF, i just stop after i feel i have spent enough (or too much even) money, often wishing i could keep going, while with other girls, i can feel that i've had enough often sticking within a predetermined number of dances. That point would take much longer if it were to ever come with the ATF. So those are key differences.

I tend not to play games too much or engage in stripper politics, but it might be to my benefit, financially, to play the favorites against each other, but it could also work in the other direction as well, even if may not outwardly appear that way. For example, the third favorite largely doesn't approach me anymore despite a favorable history, thinking i'm not that interested in her, but she's probably my second choice (still very close with the other dancer though) now.

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Jascoi

sc LOVE! nice having choices for runnerup.

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theDirkDiggler

Sometimes you do need a change in scenery or some new blood to reground yourself. And sometimes a little absence does really make the heart go fonder, or wander!

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san_jose_guy

SLD does not seem to understand why, but buying dances is for chumps. Its like treating the girl like she is a FemBot, or a vending machine.

Front room friendliness, makeout session, until it is time for your pants to come down. Then you invite her to the back room. You are doing this when she is 100% ready for completely civilian sex. Economizing is not the reason. She will still get what is customary. The point is getting a real experience. Even if in that club FS is not possible, you still show her your intents, DATY her, let her see that you are saving your load for when you and she meet outside.

SJG

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theDirkDiggler

^ Does she also talk dirty? Cause that could definitely mess with your head. Fortunately, the ATF doesn't do much of that or any type of real noise besides the occasional cooing and moaning. The other girl will put all kinds of ideas and possibilities that actually sound quite realistic and feasible in my head. It's also interesting that the nastier girls are more economical, like they almost do too good of a job.

I wish i could get in on all this "free" front room action. The only girls i've had really do it are the ones i'm not interested in, and that was to try to sell a dance. And you bet they wanted a tip for it. ldk82 might have to work on his front room game and he might just get his nut off for free, although once the girls catch on, that probably won't continue.

At least your two favorites seem to be in different clubs, so you don't have to worry about estranging either of them.

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Jascoi

dang sir lap... GREAT front room action! i'm jealous!!!

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Roadworrier

Sir Lap, you do have a good thing going. OTC has its own risks as I learned with the ATF who essentially gave away too much personal info, basically wanted a sugar daddy and didn’t want to put out in the manner I expected. My other ATF is strictly ITC and moved to another city so I see her when I go down there. Interestingly the second introduced me to the first at my old favorite club, and in those good old days we would do occasional threesomes in VIP, and they’d be hanging with me for dinner. There were always one or two backups which helped when both of my ATFs moved on.

Lately, I just haven’t gone to clubs enough during the non-peak hours (when I met both my current/former ATFs) to cultivate new company. One thing that usually leads to CF status with me is spending time together in the club, whether just engaging me in conversation while being sexy but not rushing me into a room or to the couch (especially when things are slow), or sharing some dinner (as my former favorite club is actually known for decent food / drinks).

The relaxed vibe works both ways and allows verbal/non-verbal communication to develop when she agrees to assuming various compromising positions atop my lap.

What I’ve realized now is getting to that relaxed vibe is getting tough. Most younger (under 25) dancers in a less busy bar nowadays would rather sit and play with their smartphones than engage with a real human. I cannot imagine, unlike 3-4 years ago, going to a club at 4 pm on a Saturday and attracting/making a new, attractive semi-dressed friend just by sitting at the bar and providing tips to the worthy dancers.

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Roadworrier

And Dirk thanks for the original post. I think most guys (who actually go to clubs) can see themselves in your shoes.

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theDirkDiggler

Yeah, the ATF is the sure thing for me too. The other "favorite" just isn't as consistent (i don't even know when she works or have her number), and is pretty popular in her own right. She definitely doesn't give me immediate priority when she does work as evidenced by her spending lengthy times with the other unsightly specimens before me. And she's also not as attractive (8ish range compared to my personal 10 for the ATF). So even though she delivers in spades in her actual product, my money and "loyalty" is to the ATF. As for cultivating backups, that third favorite (maybe second now) just keeps staying in my mind, as i've had some awesome experiences with her and i know they can get even better, especially if i open the bank for her.

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^ I don't has as much experience cultivating ATFs/DSs/CFs as you. The current one is about 6 months and only about half of that being mostly exclusive. Maybe because you have clear and pretty simple expectations that are largely being met and exceeded, it is working quite nicely for you.

I'm in that weird space, not quite like taxi_driver's "emptiness", but i don't think the ATF will ever be a DS or maybe i don't think i'll ever have a DS, because i'm just not delusional enough not to realize that it is just a dream and the dream poofs quite easily after the fact and sometimes during no matter how good the ATF is at acting. My expectations just aren't clear and much more open ended and complex, but i know that i will probably never get what i really want from the ATF. I'm fine with that, but i will likely have to re-evaluate how i move forward from now. Not just with her, but with all strippers.

I had another encounter with both the ATF and the "backup" recently back-to-back again. Again this visit provided more clarity. The physical disparity (she just seems to get more unfit, the more i see her) and "hygiene" disparity just was too much and the dances with the backup while potentially very enjoyable just felt more like a waste to me and that i was just going through the motions and ended them earlier than usual. The girl definitely noticed and it was hard for her to hide her disappointment. I still tipped her generously, and mumbled some excuse but i definitely won't be seeking her out in the future.

As for the ATF, i won't say the dances were mailed in, but they aren't going to get any better, it seems. What i have is what i'm going to get with her, and while still immensely enjoyable and preferable to every other dancer in that club for me, there's just going to be diminishing returns with her the longer i'm with her. Probably because i'm just not a natural onegina PL. And if i see her less and less (or spend less money on her), this diminishing will likely only accelerate. I'll still try to enjoy the ride, but there is definitely a visible light at the end of this tunnel.

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^ With my ATF, i think i'm too high on the totem pole (PL pole) with her to have to wait much at all for other PLs, so i don't really see her interactions (front room) with other customers except and only after i'm done with her at which point i usually leave the club, but i have meandered every now and then in the hope of finding an old favorite who might still be around. But at the same time I'm probably a sure easy thing for her, so she doesn't have to try anywhere as hard in terms of flirtation or physical "selling", which she does and does pretty well with other PLs. Heck, she could sell me again if we had to do it all over again. I must admit that it does slightly annoy me when i see dudes basically groping her for free as she sits on their lap being all cute. Well not really free as they almost always do "a" dance (or more) with her eventually or drink with her (she's a bit of a party girl), but she's seems to be trying harder unnecessarily, unnecessary at least when i'm there. Not that she isn't flirtatious or physically affectionate with me in the front room, although we don't do that dick between the cheeks thing, although she definitely has the ass for it. I don't think she's doing that with other PLs either; she really does seem to be just sitting on their laps. She gets creeped out pretty easily and is pretty good at removing herself from such situations.

I did see her again recently and had hands down the best time with her to date, so way up there in best strip club experiences ever (and the most costly as well, unsurprisingly). I'm "almost" certain that she doesn't do all the things she does with me, with any, let alone every, other PL. But that's not the point really.

I am in a bit of a quandary. Every time i think that i'm starting to get over the ATF, she pulls something like this on me. I don't think it's by design; she doesn't seem quite that experienced or sophisticated to fully know the game and play it that well. Sometimes, she seems very simple; she is quite young, not far removed from baby status. I'm not going to question it, but enjoy the ride as i have been. The only thing is that day, i was approached by two hotties on separate occasions and each time i friendly but clearly turned them down as i was waiting on the ATF. One of those was a regular, maybe not quite a regular as she seems to have very poor short term/long term memory. Prescription drug issues maybe. She was looking really good, like better than i remembered. Very close to a 10 as she's generally a 9+ IMO. Either way, i was reminded of the potential that i'm giving up just because of my "loyalty" to the ATF. Now the ATF isn't particularly jealous and neither am i, but i'm considering going to the club on days that she doesn't work to hit it up with some of these hotties.

Why after all these stellar experiences with the ATF would i go back to less awesome (but still very pleasant) experiences with known commodities and unfamiliar experiences with unknown commodities? I'm still intrigued by CF #3 whom i haven't seem in a decent while. I'm actually considering texting her to see when she works although i have never texted her before. Weird that i would resort to such sneaking, but i still firmly believe there is no cheating in strip clubs, although i would prefer to avoid as much drama as possible. I thought i had it figured out. If or when i do this, i probably will feel that i wasted my time and money if even only so slightly compared to the ATF, but this bird you cannot change...

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