For all you Onegina PLs... (even more ATF/CF ruminations)

theDirkDiggler
Illinois
I never did understand the people that came to a club for just one stripper. For most of my strip clubbing career, i was a volume monger, although i still preferred quality dancers. So i was like a club player or a superchump if you will. Then in the last few years, i tended to limit my dances to a select few favorites and regulars but still often danced with numerous strippers in the same club and almost always more than one. That is until i met my current ATF. Now, i'm talking about mid-sized to large clubs, so if most of your experience is in small or dive clubs with only a handful of dancers or even less per shift, usually dayshift, this might not apply to you as your pickings might always be pretty slim. I won't say that i'm now a true believer, but i understand now.

When i had just favorites and my previous ATFs, i might say to myself, oh, i wouldn't mind spending all of my budget on her over splitting in on a number of less desired dancers AND her, especially if she was head and shoulders over the others there. Often after all was said and done, i did wish i could have had some of those dances back and spent it on her instead or not at all even. And at one club, my club favorite was considerably better than the rest as that club just continued to suffer from an exodus of talent including that former club favorite eventually, and i came, NPI, specifically for her. But for the most part, there were and still are several high quality, high fun girls working at my favorite clubs and just the joy of finding a new hot fun girl to play with never gets old and is always worth spending some money on IMO. I also still have fond memories of most of my favorites that i don't see anymore and wouldn't mind seeing them again. Variety is the spice of life.

But with my current ATF, whom i thought was so much better than the rest of my favorite girls, i would actually rather spend all of my money on her instead of on her and some of my other favorites. I usually never regret (okay maybe regret is a strong word and i'm generally not a regretful person, so maybe buyer's remorse then?) spending money on any favorite or high quality, fun dancer as i almost always have a very enjoyable time with her. But if i wanted to have the BEST time, i would still have rather had all my dances with my current ATF if i'm going to spend the same amount of money anyway. I mean the flooding of brain chemicals is just a different story and level with her.

Enter my last club visit. My ATF is very popular and just doesn't give out her number. She also does very well and can come whenever she wants or feels like and still make money. But she has a "regular" schedule, and says that she all but consistently comes on certain days. So i thought it would be one of those days, Saturdays, where i have never seen her not work. She had even told me on my last visit that she would be in on this particular Saturday. Lo and behold, she's not there. I am pretty bummed, sad even, and just thinking of high tailing it as i brought a lot of money to spend just on her and i didn't want to "waste" it on other girls (yes, i now consider spending money on my 2nd, 3rd and beyond favorites a bit of a waste).

I look around and see about three girls i've danced with before and had great times with. They see me, but they're thankfully and rightfully occupied with other customers and don't come my way. One of them (probably my number two, but not always before that visit, and consistently one of my favorites there over the last couple of years) always somehow ends up convincing me of getting more dances that i had originally planned with her; she is still quite good and once i start with her it is hard to stop. I figure i should just probably wait for her instead of going to the club for nothing. I also see one or two of the less attractive dancers that i've gotten plenty of dances from before, but don't anymore and do my best to avoid any contact with them. Since it's Saturday, they're also thankfully occupied. And one of the more attractive girls there that gives only average to decent dances was working there and made her way to me. But i haven't danced with her in a long time, so we just talked a bit and that was it.

For most of my time there, i'm not sitting at a table, but standing near the bar where they have a long counter/island in front of the actual bar for customers to just put their drinks on and stand around and about talking to other customers or dancers and watch the stage from a distance. You're less likely to get hard sells that way as dancers can't sit on your lap, any intimate "handshakes" are more awkward and obvious, so you just mostly chill or shoot shit while keeping an eye out for a dancer you want to grab, which is what i'm doing. Very soon, i feel a warm hand touch my back and waist and i feel and immediately know it's not a stranger or new dancer (every woman just has a different energy). I turn around and i see a girl who only goes there semi-seasonally. She has a regular job or two that pays pretty well (around $18-30 dollars an hour according to her) and only strips when she's in the area (her family is there) and wants to make extra money. I've had great dances with her and even better chemistry. She has told me that she leans toward lesbian (usually has a GF) but seems to really like me, yeah probably SS, the liking me part anyway.

So our dances while great have historically been a bit on the conservative side. She doesn't seem to particularly enjoy penetration as many lesbians don't, although not all straight women do either. But i haven't seen her in a while so we go to the LD area where her dances are now two or three notches above our previous dances and less conservative, seriously rivaling and probably exceeding the former number two. It doesn't hurt that her already great tits with wonderfully long nipples (when they get hard, and they did get hard pretty easily) seems even larger now. I have one multi-dance session, and she finds me about an hour later telling me she was about to leave (it was true as she got there when they opened and she wasn't going to stay there for 12 hours) and we did another great multi-dance session both with modest tipping (although the second session had less tipping, $10).

I still have a lot of money left, and am feeling pretty good. The former number two is still talking to the same bottle service customer who is spending some money at the table to keep her there, but probably nowhere near the equivalent of multi-dances. I then spot another dancer that i haven't seen in over a year and she clearly recognizes and remembers me. She gives almost out of the world dances (my only issue with her dances is she moves around a little more than i like during her dances opposed to the ATF that does things exactly the way i like) but she's probably an 8.5 or maybe more like a 9 instead of the 10 my ATF is; she has a very pretty although heavily made up face, but her body isn't quite as fit and her tits although larger aren't quite as nice. I'm very tickled to be able to run into her again and after some small talk and catching up we're soon heading off to the chump station.

She had on this very sexy getup and crotchless undies under her onesie which made kitty play almost irresistable and immediate. A couple dances later the undies came off as well. But all the while, her dances were even better than i remembered, and they were always great. She was moving more to my rhythm but still grinding more than i usually like, but still very nice. She was talking dirtier than usual, telling me what she would like me to do to her and strongly encouraging me to do whatever i wanted with her as well as asking what else i wanted to do and being even more affectionate. Very rarely do i see this type of generosity and affection from such a hot stripper. I also rarely kiss during dances, mostly because it's not offered, and when i do it's mostly just a slightly lingering soft closed mouthed kiss but more than an impersonal peck. But she was being much more sensual and sexy and it was feeling much more closer to GFE or something different altogether like very hot GFE. Basically, everything i've ever wanted to do in a regular lap dance(s), i did with her and i tipped her generously. Her dances seriously rivaled if not exceeded the ATF's dances. I guess you could compare it to getting your favorite meal at a restaurant, but the main food item is out, so you have to pick something else that's not your first choice, but somehow, it really hits the spot even better than your favorite meal usually does (for those of you foodies that tend to order the same thing every time at a particular restaurant).

I STILL had a decent amount of money left (so evidently i spend a ton on my ATF or am prepared to just in case), but not a lot, but enough where i could visit the club and hopefully the ATF sooner than later, or i could spend it on other favorites or rather one more round with my new clear number 2 (the last dancer) as there was far from any guarantee that i would be able to run into her again soon. The thing is these two dancers were never technically favorites as i didn't see them enough, so they aren't used to me spending hundreds on them and don't expect it and didn't push for it in the chump station (forever the new term for the LD area), often asking me if i wanted to go on during the sessions, where my favorites would automatically go on until i stopped them. So theoretically, i could continue to have great times with them without spending anywhere near as much as on my ATF. I decided to call it a night, and a very good one at that as i was already more than satisfied despite spending less. Usually when i leave a club with a substantial amount of money left in my pockets, i'm a bit or quite a bit disappointed, but not this time.

I had come to the club with a clear plan or intention, but instead i just left more confused than ever. On one hand, i didn't see who i had come to see, but on the other hand, if she had been there, i would have likely if not probably missed out on two great experiences, one of them being worthy of my personal SC hall of fame. So i might just be back to where i started...no longer going to the club for just one stripper. Who really knows though? Maybe a few more visits with the ATF changes all that all over again...

I know this could have worked as a club review, but since this related more to the psychology of PLs and favorites than club specifics besides specific dancers who will remain unnamed, i thought it served better as an article.

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JohnTitor
7 years ago
I historically find the one (on very rare occasions two) stripper that I want to experience, and it's pretty much as if no other dancers even exist.

Have my type, know it, and that works for me. For me, dropping the $$ on what I EXACTLY want beats testing the waters and spreading myself thinner than I'd like.

Interested in seeing what other guys' views are on this. Thank you for the article.
theDirkDiggler
7 years ago
^ I can definitely see that view now. And i always had that view in the back of my mind for awhile, but for the longest time, i was like a kid in an adult candy store. I wanted to try everything good even if i had my favorite(s).
rogertex
7 years ago
Similar to going to an exotic polynesian buffet. First time you wanna try everything. Next few visits you get more selective and as a regular settle for few items you like the best.
theDirkDiggler
7 years ago
^ I was going to make the high end buffet analogy as well. But i like candy store analogy better not just because of the excitement factor, but because IRL, you can't have all that you can eat for a small price. Boy that would be something...
rogertex
7 years ago
^ True Dat Dirk !
JohnTitor
7 years ago
Ha even when I was a neophyte at the strip club scene I would the primary one that was my type, more or less...hopefully much more.

I appreciate the kid in a candy store or buffet analogy, but I've always been selective as fuck be it women or food, so I always knew the fat strippers would get their $$ somehow after I shooed them away.

My only variant (as it should be for any monger) is if the one that you thought was a goddess gives shit dances or has some other obvious malfunction. Then, ship 'em out, move 'em out, and encounter the next daddy's little girl that will assist you in busting a fucking nut lol
theDirkDiggler
7 years ago
Update: This article was written and completed a few weeks ago about an event that happened a few weeks before that so a few things have changed since. One, my ATF gave me her number after i told her about missing her on that Saturday and i actually texted her to make sure she was working the next visit which resulted in her obtaining my number. Two, i visited the ATF a few more times, cementing her ATF status. I never did see the lovely new number two from the article again. So i'm kind of kicking myself for not doing another round with her as i'm already starting to forget that wonderful experience.

I did see the other girl (first chump station partner in the article) there recently during my "pathethic" encounter detailed in a recent discussion. If that girl had gotten to me before my ATF and she actually walked past me without seeing me (phew), i wonder how things would have changed (her dances possibly going up yet another notch or two on a terrible day for dancers), as i almost certainly wouldn't refuse her dances, even if i came very specifically for the ATF.
SirLapdancealot
7 years ago
I'm definitely more exclusive to my ATF DS than any other CF/ATF prior. I tend to have a really high standard by wanting the 8-10 all natural hottie with an hourglass figure that also is fine with me LDKing, so I need to stay with the same strippers because they are so hard to find that meet that standard. And going along with the eating metaphor, I'm the type of guy that will order the same thing on the menu 99.9% of the time.

My ATF DS is a 9 and she totally lets me LDK with her in various ways exactly how I want while also she keeps varying how she dances to keep things fresh and different. She also gives me tons of dick teasing time at the bar before getting dances. We also smoke weed and simply have fun together during the entire time I'm there. Plus I get priority treatment over all her other customers. In short we have a really good business friendship that is a guaranteed good time for me. In all my 20+ years of mongering, she is the best ever and so I have no need to see any other strippers other than to invest in a backup for down the road.
Papi_Chulo
7 years ago
It seems many of the SC vets end up sticking to a fave(s) as their SC M.O. - fave/regular "relationships" def have their advantage, i.e. one knows what to expect and the fave usually delivers as expected, plus a certain-level of trust develops where the fave will often feel more comfortable going further w/ a regular they've known for a while.


But, I can't stick to just one woman in a club full of women - and per my wiring I get more excited about what IDK about a dancer than what I already know - I def get more of a rush from meeting new-dancers than dancers I've already been with - sticking w/ just one-dancer makes me feel like I'm missing-out on new experiences.
Papi_Chulo
7 years ago
And perhaps having a fave would be cheaper - me liking variety and wanting to try every dancer in the club that piques an interest gets to be expensive, whereas w/ a fave I could sorta pace myself and be more easily satisfied thus leading me to spend less, I think.
theDirkDiggler
7 years ago
^ If you go to a lot of different clubs it might be hard to cultivate a favorite or regular. Or maybe any black brickhouse that gives a good dance will do ;)
Papi_Chulo
7 years ago
^ yeah - the latter - I don't have a fave not b/c I haven't found-one, but b/c I haven't wanted one
DFreshPalace
7 years ago
If I may comment on this I was once like you but then I found the perfect woman in every sense of the word. I know she's busy but I also know that she's all that I want. I can find other things to do while I wait for her. I actually just hand her an envelope when I first walk in and she takes care of the rest for the entire night. As long as I am with her I don't care. She is the only thing that matters. I know it can be difficult to turn down others but will power and knowing what you (I) want is what keeps me going back. I enjoyed this article and Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
SirLapdancealot
7 years ago
@mdb2203 what happens is that a stripper sets a standard so high for that particular PL in both looks and service that to change would likely mean accepting a downgrade in either category. And so some PLs don't want to accept anything less, in particular when they have their perfect DS to keep going back to.

My ATF DS is an easy 9+ and she gives me the best total strip club experience out of any CF/ATF ever. And every time I go to a different stripper it just ends up as a lesser experience even though it is still good.

Also there comes a point where payment and exact song counts become secondary to just having a good time with an ATF. My ATF DS doesn't even question and I don't say anything about the song count at the end of our dances. I simply place what I think is the payment for the songs and a $10+ tip next to her purse when we are done and it never comes under question nor is it ever discussed.
theDirkDiggler
7 years ago
@mdb2203
Glad you enjoyed the article. I'm not a natural writer and probably haven't really written anything formal in over a decade, but there are definitely some people worth writing for. Just to let you know, i am back to being a one woman PL (for the most part; i just can't be mean to a former favorite and will still oblige her if even for a little while) in the club after the last few experiences with the ATF. I mean i wouldn't mind enjoying the last dancer in the article again, but i just haven't seen her again and being out of sight she's gradually out of my mind. Oh, and your most recent article was a good read. I'll leave a comment in the near future.
SirLapdancealot
7 years ago
So since this article has been on my mind, after LDKing with my ATF DS earlier today I asked her if she was sick of me yet since it has been well over a year since I have been seeing her. She assured me it was not the case at all and that my visits are always welcome and a highlight of her day. Whether or not it was SS I'm glad that she told me that. LOL about 6 months ago when I asked her the same thing it was that I'm fine.

And if I think about how things were between us at 6 months compared to now, I can most definitely say they are better. 6 months ago I was watching her on stage and then getting dances w/LDK and then leaving. Over time we have spent more and more time together before dances. It's to the point that now I watch her stage set, then we sit spoon at the bar and we tease each other and I have a raging boner in between her ass cheeks for nearly the entire dancer rotation. And then just before she has to go on stage again, we go get dances.

And then also her private dances now are top notch as well. 6 months ago they were still good too, as good as the best dances that I've had with other strippers. But now she has become the best ever. She lets me take over the dance for long spells and just sensually coos and moans in my ear like she is just taking it from me and loving it as I control all the grinding pace and the pressure. Then she takes over for a while and does all kinds of cock and balls stimulation on me. Again for long spells during a song. It is all high mileage two way contact almost constantly throughout the dance.

And then as I am LDKing, she either convulses her pussy on my cock or she squeezes and strokes her tits all over it until I am spent. This was the case as well 6 months ago, but now she will continue stroking it well past when I came. She keeps stimulating my dick until it is me that has to shy away from her because it starts to tickle because I'm oversensitive from coming so hard. And she does all of this to me with a big smile. My LDKs are absolutely the best ever now compared to any others during my PL LIFE!

So as I reflect on things after over a year of being almost exclusive to my ATF DS. I can say for sure that things are still going strong and even keep getting better.
theDirkDiggler
7 years ago
^ After the LDK, the conversations may or may not be more honest on your end, hmmm...

Welp, all i know is that she's going to have to get sick of me (or my money) first, because i am NEVER going to get sick of her. She'd have to shock me somehow, and there is nothing so far (so far being key but still) about her that is close to shocking. I would like to think that i'm getting more endearing to her as i know she deals with quite a few assholes and "creeps" (according to her) every day she works. And the last time i saw her was probably the happiest i've ever seen her to see me. I might find it ever so hard to resist "rescuing" her from terrible nights...
SirLapdancealot
7 years ago
^ I'm pretty sure she's honest with me given that we have had honest personal conversations about her A LOT. She has shared tons of personal information with me. I know her full real name and her immediate family member names. She shows me tons of pictures with them and her dog on a regular basis. I know both her personal and stripper social media accounts. I know a bunch more stuff about her than I have ever shared about myself. She's VERY open with me and has openly shared stuff on her personal phone with me in addition to her work phone. And I think some of it has to do with the fact that I don't try to get extras or FS from her and meet her OTC. I don't push the envelope of our relationship and what I want from her. I'm a very simple and reliable customer. I arrive, she teases my dick and makes me feel like a partying stud with a hottie for 15 min to 1 hour, then I LDK with her after some very high mileage dances, and finally she hugs and kisses me goodbye as I leave. Lather, rinse, repeat. I'm easy and consistent money for her. (LOL plus I give an awesome massage that I know she loves and looks forward to.)

Also I've had CF/ATF relationships where I could tell she's becoming routine, "mailing it in", and trying to get more for less with me and so yes I know that is a turning point in a onegina relationship where it is heading to being over. I know all stripper and PL relationships inevitably come to an end and sometimes it is because the chemistry fades on either party's part. And I know this current one is far from it. Moreover it just keeps getting better. When I show up she always comes over to me as soon as she possibly can, and without fail if any customer tries to snake me and get dances before me, she always checks with me to see where I stand before getting back to them. I essentially have complete "right of first refusal" for dances with her. I'm the customer she's always trying to please and accommodate and honestly it wasn't always like this with her.

And yeah I relate to your last point a lot and that is ultimately all I'm saying too. You just need to be one of her nicer customers. Keep becoming more endearing to her. Don't ever be that asshole or creep that ruins her mood. Be that guy that brings no drama and be someone she can truly trust and rely on.

And also to be clear, I have not been this perfect PL to her either. I have done things legit that she didn't appreciate like try to cop a pussy feel or get too impatient waiting on her or forget to keep my jizz in my pants from LDK ('twas a wardrobe malfunction) or short tip her. These are just examples but the point being is that if you can show her that you are trying to not be an asshole and creep, respect her boundaries, and improve how you interact with her as well, she will reciprocate and show her appreciation for it. As much as we don't trust a stripper's motives, they don't trust ours unless we disprove it over time.
theDirkDiggler
7 years ago
^ I was just comparing post LDK to being drunk. You might be less likely to lie, but you also might not say thing you normally would. Although some people have more clarity (no longer affected by horniness) depending on how long afterwards.

If I remember, i thought she was willing to meet you OTC pretty early in your "relationship". I wouldn't think that she would be more resistant now. I also thought the lack of kitty play was self-imposed on your part (of course restraint is another issue) but it could also be a club issue as well. Otherwise, it doesn't seem to make that much sense that she would have a boundary regarding that unless it was inconsistent or partially dependent on how much money was involved (money talks). I means she's already squeezing her bare pussy lips very intimately all over your ejaculating penis (over the pants, but still) long after the fact where most dancers would definitely ease up and distant themselves after knowingly causing that; it just seems an unusual boundary to have after all that.

Funny thing is i've had dancers (mostly favorites and regulars) tell me how sweet or respectful i was and what a nice touch i had almost while i was practically or literally fingerbanging them, lol. Or they would say things like that after i was done with numerous "dirty" dances with them. I guess there's a respectful way to do "dirty" things. Almost with every favorite or regular including the ATF, their usual boundaries (if they had them) have always decreased over several visits or even one visit. Sometimes, it happened when they moved to a dirtier club. But usually, i just somehow manage to get within their comfort level. Or i guess i just overspend on them over time.

SirLapdancealot
7 years ago
^ My post LDK convo and question about her getting sick of me was just my way of checking in with her and seeing where we stand. I ask it then just because it is more appropriate because that is when I'm simply leaving the club soon. My point being too is that our convos really are genuine now. There is no need for her to feed me SS (I'm certainly not going to leave her) anymore, as there is also no need for me to BS her. We know each other pretty well. In fact I am amazed at how much she shares with me that I don't even care to know. (But it is still nice to know.)

There are a couple reasons for her supposed inconsistency between not wanting ITC kitty play but having OTC FS. And honestly it is a hard rule with her. (Wow she did an attitude 180 on me that was almost scary when I touched her there.) First and foremost, it is a club rule that *most* dancers there follow and in general it is the Portland "norm" (give or take a few clubs that could allow more or less than this). She just doesn't want to bend club rules and get into trouble. So all barred activities in clubs is why she takes things OTC. Secondly, she does have her own boundaries (be it for personal or monetary reasons - tough for me to tell) and I think she likes to really separate her OTC stuff from her stripper at the club stuff. She doesn't allow the two activities to overlap. Whether it makes complete sense or not, this is her 'business model'. The club is her place to tease man (or woman) and maybe even use it to advertise for what could come if you meet her OTC. To her it would make the higher cost and appeal less valuable if she allowed the same stuff ITC as OTC, so she draws her own boundary and line of demarcation: pussy play is to be paid for OTC (period). True, you would think a little more allowance of ITC stuff would still help entice a man to meet her OTC, but she is an experienced stripper so I don't question how she does her biz.
SirLapdancealot
7 years ago
Also I agree wholeheartedly that strippers have "standards" on how to respectfully be "dirty". And it doesn't have to make complete sense.

I have my own standards and limit. I won't allow a stripper to touch my genitals directly, but I have no qualms about anything done over my pants. For me if I don't draw a line somewhere I'm going to end up fucking a stripper behind my wife's back. Fundamentally getting a BB HJ is no different than getting a high mileage LDK as she is still stroking my cock in some fashion, but again I have to draw a line or else it becomes a slippery slope to all kinds of marriage ending debauchery.

And yes the key is to stay within her comfort level. And to me having her as an ATF is really the only way to discover and navigate how to stay within such limits. And then when she realizes that you respect it all is when you earn her trust and it is then when your relationship can really take off. She will be the one to expand the boundaries from there and ultimately that is what strippers want. They always want the control and to never be taken advantage of by man. So you let them be the one to open up more and more, and if they trust you, they will.
theDirkDiggler
7 years ago
^ I think the actual boundaries are very important to a dancer's psyche. I too have had the unfortunate experience, more than once sadly, of a dancer snapping or getting very angry when her pussy was touched. I could feel the palpable anger and the sexy energy was just all gone and the rest of the dance i just felt unpleasant and flushed and the blood pressure was high in a bad way. It didn't make too much sense at the time because the girls didn't seem to have any problem grinding their bare pussy lips so hard on my junk i could feel their heat, wetness and softness but it was on their terms. I'm just glad i don't have to deal with that with the ATF as she knows that i like it and thus voluntarily offers that to me (just backs or moves that pussy right up to me) with the likely fake moaning and cooing when it happens although she is the most sensitive/sensual girl i've known.
SirLapdancealot
7 years ago
I think respecting boundaries is so important to strippers. With having to deal with lecherous PLs constantly groping and trying to cop inappropriate feels on them, it is probably a relief to know that a regular isn't going to be trying anything he shouldn't which allows her to relax and have a good time with him more.

And LOL most of the time you just have to be LESS of a lecher than the last guy too. I think strippers complain about what the last bad customer did as a way of telling you their boundaries, so as long as you don't go as far as what they are complaining about, you are usually good to go. But mostly the general rule is don't ever assume that you can touch her pussy.

And LOL the way you describe your ATF is a lot like I feel about mine. It is so nice to find that stripper that meets your every need. The type that knows exactly what you like and then she does exactly that at the perfect moment.

And LOL I think my ATF DS is absolutely the most sensual, seductive, and just plain sexy stripper that I have ever met. Tonight as I LDKed she squatted over me and set her pussy right on my hard cock as she leaned back so that I could grab her all natural tits with each hand as she writhed, gyrated, and bucked her pussy on my convulsing cock. And as I was coming she leaned her head back, arched her back, and lifted her beautiful DDs up into my hands and face while, yes, also moaning and cooing like she was getting off just as hard. And the way she stroked her pussy on me was just perfect. She slowed her strokes down perfectly as I came and came. And then, by the end of it, she just sat there still on me and let me slowly post come grind into her with my hands on her ass and her still squatting her pussy on me. And by then I sat up so we are then face to face with each other and as she is hugging me her tits are pressed into my bare chest which feel so soft and nice.

And since it was the middle of the third song, for the rest of it she just slowly and sensually grinded and stroked my cock with her pussy, tits, and hands. And she knew that I had come because she was being deliberately slow and applying less pressure on my cock and balls for the rest of it.

This is what I'm getting at about having an ATF that truly knows you and exactly how to get you horny and also get you off hard. And moreover, she knows how to go above and beyond the norms of what you are used to with strippers and does all those extra little things that keep heightening your club experience.
san_jose_guy
7 years ago
Seeing a girl only ITC, is the undeniable mark of a PL. For some reason, something in his personal life, he cannot see women OTC.

Married and can't resolve it, jobless?

While I do have sympathy and do not make moral judgements in such areas. The ideal should be to transcend PL status.

Seeing one woman is fine, just see her OTC. No reason to keep fattening strip clubs owners, or engaging with your woman via strip club rules.

SJG

Jeff Beck ft/ Rosie Oddie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXJQb7aI…
SirLapdancealot
7 years ago
SJG you make the most ill informed assumptions and baseless straw man arguments ever.

I see my ATF DS ITC BY CHOICE. I don't choose to see her OTC. I don't want to. Why? Because I have a great time doing it. It's FUN!!!

Plus I see and fuck my wife OTC. I get great intimate DFK plus toe curling, eye rolling, and ball sack draining hot and intimate sex with my beautiful wife too! To your point, it's awesome! And unlike you (who LOST HIS WIFE), we have sex for LOVE!!!

And when my wife is not in the mood for hot intimate sex, I go see my ATF DS, by choice, ITC and have a good time with her!

You only speak from your personal, subjective, sexless, and limited experience. You truly have no clue about having a good time with a stripper.

LOL the mark of a pathetic loser (and poser) is the guy on a strip club forum that doesn't even go to strip clubs but yet blathers on and on and on about how one should club. He can't get action from a stripper so he has to go see AMP and underground Mexican bar whores. I feel sorry for that guy. Especially if he lost his wife for it. It makes him more pathetic. Not judging. Just saying.
theDirkDiggler
7 years ago
@SJG
I'm self aware enough to know where i stand with my ATF or any favorite or regular dancer i see ITC. I know i can only do this because i pay for it. Just because i take it OTC doesn't make it any more real. You still have to pay for it. It might make more business sense (from my POV although sometimes it can cost more to OTC) and it's definitely more preferred and comfortable for all parties. But it's still just an expensive fantasy and a shared moment, and it doesn't matter where it occurs as long as it is with her. Of course we we all want optimum and ideal experiences. If they were so easy and inexpensive, i would be having them regularly, but it is what it is.
san_jose_guy
7 years ago
Sex acts with a women, its not just for male physical release, its always to get the girl worshiping your cock, its about getting under her skin, getting a kind of hold on her.

And the way to get between her ears is between her legs.

OTC you have more freedom with the girl, and you can get her more loosened up and more fully giving it up.

And DirkDigger, don't listen to SirLapDance, he is an extreme form of TUSCL imbecile.

And SirLapDance, I am sorry that your local strip clubs don't have girls that provoke the hormonal reaction of wanting to have her and possess her, which would make you want to take her to bed and spend night after night fucking her brains out. Your clubs must have nothing at all like what our local clubs have.

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SirLapdancealot
7 years ago
LOL @SJG once again, I'm sorry but you still make the most ill informed assumptions and baseless straw man arguments ever.

You simply pay you AMP whores to ACT like you want them. You are so narcissistic and delusional that you think it is more than this.

Face it, you pay AMP whores for your own sexual gratification and your fragile ego has to *think* you're doing more than just paying a whore, no different than paying a stripper for anything.

@SJG posted -> "And SirLapDance, I am sorry that your local strip clubs don't have girls that provoke the hormonal reaction of wanting to have her and possess her, which would make you want to take her to bed and spend night after night fucking her brains out. Your clubs must have nothing at all like what our local clubs have."

Sorry, you make another asinine assumption and turn it into a straw man argument. Portland has an awesome strip club scene with strippers hot as fuck! But you wouldn't know this because you've never been to a strip club up here. Instead you make a baseless and asinine assumption like the blathering idiot that you are.
san_jose_guy
7 years ago
In AMPs and other P4P venues, money goes far, very far, but there is still a limit. If you want intimacy, of which DFKing is the best indicator, then you have to use other approaches than offering money. Money is more like the girl's insurance policy, but no longer her primary motivation.

SJG

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SirLapdancealot
7 years ago
^LOL @SJG once again, I'm sorry but you still make the most ill informed assumptions and baseless straw man arguments ever.

You simply pay you AMP whores to ACT like you want them. You are so narcissistic and delusional that you think it is more than this.

Face it, you pay AMP whores for your own sexual gratification and your fragile ego has to *think* you're doing more than just paying a whore, no different than paying a stripper for anything.
san_jose_guy
7 years ago
SLD, you stupid idiot, just because a woman is employed in an AMP and that such work usually includes sex acts, this does not mean that she is something any different from an other ordinary woman.

You SLD see it a certain way, because the women are just reflecting back to you the attitude you have towards them.

I on the other hand never treat them differently than I would any other women. And just because she is blatantly presenting herself as a prostitute, all the more reason to always treat her as a lady.

So, as in the reviews on RubMaps, and echoing what AMP girls have always told me, most guys are naked on the table trying to offer the girl money for sex. They keep bidding up until she agrees. And of course that is an extreme form of denigration.

I on the otherhand am starting out engaging with the girl with my clothes on, so she doesn't have to worry about unwelcome BBFS, and on my feet, flattering her and telling her all the things a girl wants to know, but knows not to ask in a P4P venue. This may progress to the girl being on my lap. But usually the key step is when DFKing ensues. From that point on the girl knows that this will be a FS encounter, and a mind blowing one at that.

So there is never any mention of money until she mentions it. After all, she is just a girl I met at a party. And she is not expected to solicit. She does not need to extend herself or do anything which would be considered unlawful.

Now after an intense makeout session is in order, but before her clothes are off, she usually will ask for money. But at that point I had better not be a cop.

I resist all such temptations to use money to further persuade her if she is resistant. Sometimes they are resistant to DFKing and to talk about FS. Maybe they are just playacting. But either way, I never try to use money to persuade them. I just keep talking about myself and trying to turn on the charm and tell her about myself. I make it so I am no longer a stranger to her.

Almost always then she will flip and ask for money for FS. Sometimes the girl will flip and initiate DFKing first.

Sometimes they never mention money, but they will still get it at the end anyway.

After all is done, usually the girl wants me to walk her out the front door. Some have wanted to move in with me, immediately.

With strippers, the same basic logic applies. "I don't go out with customers". But soon, when she sees I am not treating her at all like a prostitute, but like a girl I met at a party or at my own work place, changes to her offering apologies. And then the next night finding her voice on my telephone answering machine.

Sure, today strip clubs have gone harder core. At many prostitution ITC or OTC is the norm. But that still does not mean you have to treat the girl like a prostitute. They still very much like being treated as a 'lady', and they respond differently to guys who consistently do that.

Money is a show of care and respect, what in other countries would be seen as Mistress Maintenance. But it is never intended to persuade them to do anything they wouldn't otherwise be perfectly happy to do.

To get under a girl's skin, you have to treat her like a lady, and it is best to be spending at least over nighters with her, and to be fucking her brains out in multiple rounds regularly.

And no one respects a guy who is long term committed to cheating on his wife. I certainly don't and f2f would show little tolerance for the presence of such a dickhead.

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SirLapdancealot
7 years ago
@SJG LOL no matter how you try to justify it, you pay for DFK + ejaculation service. If you didn't pay them you wouldn't get either one. LOL don't kid yourself.
san_jose_guy
7 years ago
Pay them yes. That is customary and expected, and the girls could not afford to be there unless they were taking in money. Regular money keeps them from falling prey to parasitic industries, FIRE ( Finance, Insurance, Real Estate ). But my money is just a show of respect and care. It is never used to motivate them to do anything they would not be perfectly happy to do without that money, if it were in a different setting.

I have no desire to economize with my women. No reason to. Money is a show of care and concern. And they get it until they show that they don't want or need it. All the more so for women coming from 3rd world counties where there are less options for women, outside of marriage, and where likely they have not had the chance to develop much of a career in the US.

What they do for me, is usually very different from what they do for people who pay the same or more. Its in how they treat me, and how they open up to me and let intimacies develop.

More often than not the key to this is DFKing. A few high FS volume AMP girls are used to this. But most of the time they still only do it when they have already decided that it is with a guy they want to be seeing outside. But far more are completely disarmed by someone who has the audacity to DFK them, and so they just turn to jelly and the FS which then ensures is mind blowing. And I'm talking about dolled up young Vietnamese Fashion Plates.

As far as it being ejaculation services, I dispute this. I don't think seeking ejaculation services is a good thing. What I do is different. For one think, in AMPs, HJ is standard. But I never seek that. It only happens when Aunt Flo is visiting. And if I'd of known that, I'd of postponed until another day. I always seek FS, and GFE-FS at that.

When you go for ejaculation services, it is quite unilateral. It does not effect the girl the same way that FS does.

From being close to people in the AAMP business, it seemed to me that there were two types of customers. One type wanted BBBJ till completion. These types were there, but they were less common. Most wanted FS, and the offering of DFK, DATY, and 2x FS (MSOG).

I would always be in this second and larger group which the AAMP biz is set up to cater to. It is an Asian competition to our domestic Escort services. And these are almost always DFK, DATY, MSOG.

We see people writing about Mexico. I think most of the people want DFK + FS, and many also want DATY and that second pop, or more.

Some BBBJ is fine, but most of the time I don't think they want it till completion, because that is then one less round of FS that they can do.

Girls only seem to favor BBBJ till completion when Aunt Flo is visiting, or when it is in the context of an ongoing sexual relationship where there is lots and lots of FS, so it is more of a novelty.

If you meet a girl at a strip club, why would you want her to make you ejaculate when you could just as well let her see that you are saving that for when you and she can engage in FS? And if your area has FS strip clubs, why would you not instead patronize those?

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SirLapdancealot
7 years ago
@SJG posted -> "It is never used to motivate them to do anything they would not be perfectly happy to do without that money, if it were in a different setting."

^ You said it right here. The key phrase is "IF IT WERE A DIFFERENT SETTING". That's it right there. The reality is that the setting is key. And there is no *IF* You are NOT IN A DIFFERENT SETTING. You are at an AMP WITH A WHORE PAYING FOR DFK + FS. That's the setting. It doesn't change.

LMAO your whole point was predicated on a FALSE ASSUMPTION. LOL no matter how you try to justify it, you pay for DFK + ejaculation service. Same thing as paying for a BBBJ. All services. If you didn't pay them you wouldn't get anything. LOL don't kid yourself.
theDirkDiggler
7 years ago
I thought that this article deserved a second and lenghty update (like a part II, but i don't think i'll bother with making a whole new article for it) for anyone that cares. If not, oh well. I recently visited the ATF again. But this time the second favorite was there too. And even a third favorite who has ATF potential. As an aside, all their personalities are great and on the sweet side with very little bitchiness at least not in front of me. I only danced with the first two though. But this time i was able to make a direct comparison back to back. I danced with the ATF first spending the vast majority of my time and money on her. They were on the typical level for her, but a little less good as the last time and slightly mailed in.

The other girl had gained a little bit of weight (probably holiday weight), it made a slight but noticeable difference and she was always a little thicker, but she's definitely closer to an 8 than a 9 now, which actually made a difference in the dances and not in a good way. But I still have to honestly admit that she gives a better or at least a hotter, sexier and more sensual and experienced dance than the ATF. There was a noticeably different energy with her and her dances. She is definitely one of the super sexual/sensual dancers that i discussed in one of my recent discussions. The unfortunate thing is i had to see her dance with two other PLs ahead of me for noticeably lengthy times (and why not as she gives a hell of a sexy if not outright naughty dance) so i wasn't as keen on playing with her orifices (and i'm not talking about the backdoor, which is just too freaking unsanitary for me).

The ATF dances at a more relaxed pace which still goes by super quickly. The other girl dances with a more, i don't want to say urgency, but definitely more activeness. Almost like we're having parking lot sex. Because of "our" activeness, the dances didn't fly by as quickly, if that makes any sense. We did a lot more activity in the course of one song. I would have to reluctantly say that she has the more value in her dances in that i can get my fill of her pretty quickly and more economically, while with the ATF, i could probably dance the whole night with her and still want to keep going.

So after all this, i have a bit of a conundrum. I still "like" the ATF better for various reasons; i just have to reevaluate if it is worth it to spend as much time (and the required money) with her and her only. I'm definitely going to take the rest of the holiday period off for SCing in general and develop some clarity of the situation. I won't even go into the third favorite. A PL can only have such "problems"...
SirLapdancealot
7 years ago
@theDirkDiggler you are in a good place with good "problems". If you have a CF that rivals your ATF, all it means is that you really don't have an ATF. An ATF is close to incomparable because she provides a service and has looks/body that beats all other strippers. If she doesn't it just means she is a good CF but you, luckily have options.

In my world I keep trying to find and cultivate future CFs/ATFs but truly my ATF DS has set a bar so high (for me and only my standards) that it has been difficult to match, let alone beat. She is a 9 in looks/body and her service (dick tease time at the bar + high mileage dances + LDK in many ways like I want) is a "perfect" 10. This has been very hard to replace. I've found service at 8-9 range but looks/body was a 6-7. Or I've found looks/body in the 8-9 range but service was 7-8. And this even included reuniting with an ex-ATF that has now been tarnished a little because of the recent 10 service from my ATF DS. No matter how I try, I just can't find a stripper that matches up to my ATF DS. Hence, her title. LMAO "oh whoa is me!"
theDirkDiggler
7 years ago
^ You can't really call the other girl a CF since she works at the same place as the ATF unless i come on a day she works that the ATF doesn't, but i have no desire for that. The ATF is close to two points higher (a 10 compared to maybe a little over an 8). When someone has as much of an aesthetic need as me, that can make a considerable difference. She just has a very different dance style and even her physical quirks are very different. The ATF has more of a learning curve of her own. She is quite sensitive to pain (and pleasure) and has to be handled gently compared to the other girl who is probably down for some kinky stuff, including some two-way biting and rougher play. It's ALMOST a little too much for me and better in somewhat smaller doses than the ATF. The "chemistry" is also better (seems less manufactured and expensive if not even natural).

Still, the ATF just has a more addictive quality to her and is definitely the closest thing to a DS that i've ever had, so it is pretty clear to me with her ATF status. The ATF is also less naughty and i just get the feeling that she is quite a bit more selective of what she does for how much and with whom. She also always so fresh and clean and sweet smelling and never sweaty during dances, but then she also usually gets to me pretty early. The other one seemed much less distinguishing and i saw the rather unappealing PLs she was with earlier for lengthy sessions. This also has an effect on my perception of our dances (less nagging thoughts in the back of my mind; sloppy thirds and beyond).

For giggles, the third favorite is a little closer to the ATF, in terms of dancing style but shares some of the sexier qualities (including chemistry) of the other favorite; they both seem really into the dances. She's also losing weight recently (tends to fluctuate from slender to slightly thick) and is a strong 9 and improving. Surely, if i never met the ATF, i would definitely consider either CFs, but not likely to be exclusive or near exclusive with either, although the third favorite is just intriguing in her potential (can still improve in both looks and dancing) quite possibly already displacing the second favorite.

I still compare every dancer and dance at any club to the ATF for reference and in a sense she has somewhat "ruined" me to other dancers, giving me the overall best but also the most expensive experience out of them, maybe even considerably more expensive both short and long term. I would have never thought i could be a onegina PL. I'm still more of a natural variety guy.
SirLapdancealot
7 years ago
^ Totally understood. As long as other strippers are giving you a good time and worth it, definitely don't be exclusive. Also you should do it anyway to keep your ATF from getting complacent and maybe help her lower her prices. Having viable CF/ATF stripper options is never a bad thing. If my ATF DS were higher priced, I would definitely do the same as you. Luckily she's a bargain compared to most.

And I also like that my ATF DS isn't the naughtiest one in the club and has a little bit of reservation like you see yours. That has its own appeal. For me being an LDK only PL I need more mental fantasy, and so with a more reserved stripper, relatively speaking only, there's a bit of the ego trip fantasy that I am bringing out the naughty in her. I also like that she's usually the most sought after hottie in the club. It feeds the fantasy of getting with a woman that is out of my league. It plays into my LDK being a FS fantasy with a hottie in the dance area.
theDirkDiggler
7 years ago
^ Yeah, i probably do make it too easy for my ATF. But i can't buy her outright for an entire weekend shift or even the entire time i'm there (i usually stay at a club 3-4 hours or more), so i have to spend a decent amount to "hold" her or get first priority. It probably averages out to around $200 for each hour i spend with her (she can make that pretty consistently on weekends with other customers/regulars), the large portion of that getting dances.

That's another thing. I can easily spend an hour or more just getting dances with her (as expensive as that sounds). Other dancers, maybe not so much. With the ATF, i tend to enjoy the entire process, experience or journey (which also has a nice therapeutic quality as well) rather than seeking a goal although we do a lot of fun sexy things throughout as well. With other dancers there is definitely more of a goal or endgame in mind. With the ATF, i just stop after i feel i have spent enough (or too much even) money, often wishing i could keep going, while with other girls, i can feel that i've had enough often sticking within a predetermined number of dances. That point would take much longer if it were to ever come with the ATF. So those are key differences.

I tend not to play games too much or engage in stripper politics, but it might be to my benefit, financially, to play the favorites against each other, but it could also work in the other direction as well, even if may not outwardly appear that way. For example, the third favorite largely doesn't approach me anymore despite a favorable history, thinking i'm not that interested in her, but she's probably my second choice (still very close with the other dancer though) now.
SirLapdancealot
7 years ago
Ok so today my ATF DS did not work and I was counting on it. I was set to go after work and instead I went to a different club, one I used to have a fave at years ago. And I'm glad I did. I spotted an 8 in the private dance area. I could see her through the doorway and wow she had just perfect legs and an ass. A total fitness model type which is a change up from my voluptuous ATF DS. She had nice all natural smallish C cups too. Again not quite as hot as my ATF DS but still a babe.

I watch her on stage and she gives me awesome grinding and great views of her pussy. Then she sits with me for a few minutes and rubs my leg as I rub her ass and legs. She gives me some good intro GFE tease and then we go get dances. During the dances and out of the gate she is almost as good as my ATF DS. I was impressed. Mileage was high and one thing she did well was lightly bite and rub her mouth on my hard dick OTP more aggressively than any other stripper ever has. I wasn't quite fully hard until she did that. And by the end of the second song I easily LDKed as she stick shifted me and slid her pussy lips up and down OTP on my pulsating cock. Wow she was good and her body was tight. I was taken by surprise because the last half a dozen strippers outside of my ATF DS that I have had dances with were not nearly as good as my ATF DS, but not her. She was as good as any of my past faves at LDKing me and being receptive to the things I like.

After we were done she offered and wanted to give me her phone #. I declined and instead asked about her schedule. She's consistent and starts right when I get off. Bonus! I told her I'd be back.

So it has taken a while, but after half a dozen new strippers later and over a year of searching since I met my ATF DS, I have finally found a viable backup to her.

Jascoi
7 years ago
sc LOVE!
nice having choices for runnerup.
SirLapdancealot
7 years ago
@justme62 no matter how committed a PL is to a CF/ATF, one must continue to seek backups and alternates.

And LOL sc LOVE = lust.
theDirkDiggler
7 years ago
Sometimes you do need a change in scenery or some new blood to reground yourself. And sometimes a little absence does really make the heart go fonder, or wander!
san_jose_guy
7 years ago
SLD does not seem to understand why, but buying dances is for chumps. Its like treating the girl like she is a FemBot, or a vending machine.

Front room friendliness, makeout session, until it is time for your pants to come down. Then you invite her to the back room. You are doing this when she is 100% ready for completely civilian sex. Economizing is not the reason. She will still get what is customary. The point is getting a real experience. Even if in that club FS is not possible, you still show her your intents, DATY her, let her see that you are saving your load for when you and she meet outside.

SJG
SirLapdancealot
7 years ago
SJG doesn't seem to realize I am talking about actual interactions with strippers that happen IRL.

SJG is just talking about his fantasy in his head that has never happened to him IRL.
SirLapdancealot
7 years ago
Ok so as of my second visit now with this new ATF backup, I am officially a twogina PL. She is just too sexy and flirty with me to pass up. She's in my top three of high mileage dancers ever, and her GFE tease at the bar is, bar none, the best ever. And my ATF DS already set the gold standard for that. But this girl was off the charts a good tease (in the front room).

To start she straddled me spread eagle, rested her back at the bar, and sat face to face with me. She wrapped her legs around my waist and let me grab that awesome fitness model ass of hers as she stroked her pussy and grinded it into my hard cock. And all the while we chatted and tease talked at the bar. She sat like that with me for a good 5 min paying good attention to my dick the whole time. LOL it was hard to hold a conversation but it didn't matter. She was making me feel like her stud BF and I was fixated on how smooth and soft her ass cheeks felt even though she had toned muscles deep down. She has a fantastic ass and she let me play with it all I wanted. I grabbed, squeezed, spanked, rubbed, and groped it good.

And that was just the warm up. Then she turned around and rubbed her ass all over my raging boner for another full song. And then for a final song she straddled my right leg and brought her pussy up to my hard dick as we discreetly grinded into each other.

It was such awesome front room dick teasing. Basically 10 minutes of discreet lap dancing. And it cost me nothing. Also LOL I didn't even need to offer a massage and no fucking chump ass DFK was needed either. She acted like a horny slut that wanted me and as she rubbed her ass and pussy so good on my dick while I groped her ass all over that I couldn't give a rat's ass about DFK. Raging boner tease at the bar is what I like. And she delivered.

And then after I am so hard and horny we go get a couple of dances and again her mileage is very high. She gives me everything just as good as my ATF DS and more. She lets me control the grinding in all positions at my own pace and simply matches me stroke for stroke but doesn't take it over. And her stick shift is not discreet. She also outright grabs and strokes my hard cock OTP at all opportunities. Then as she is down between my legs she rubs her perky and natural B-C cups into my balls as she literally puts her mouth over my dickhead OTP and moves her head up and down and side to side and around and around to stimulate me. I've had simulated OTP BJ tease before many times, but the way she did it was the best. And for all the positions she stayed in them for them ample time. She reads my cues and doesn't leave a position if I hold her there. And even as the second song ended, while she was on my dick in reverse cowgirl, she let me grab her perfect ass cheeks and grind up into her pussy as I LDKed exactly at the pace I wanted. It was awesome. She's easily in my top three high mileage dancers and this is only from two visits.

So now my PL "problem" is now having to bounce between and budget for two awesome strippers. I have my ATF DS who is a 9 but I spend $60-$100 per visit on, and now I have this new backup ATF who is an 8 but is a little nastier and I will likely spend $60-$80 on.
theDirkDiggler
7 years ago
^ Does she also talk dirty? Cause that could definitely mess with your head. Fortunately, the ATF doesn't do much of that or any type of real noise besides the occasional cooing and moaning. The other girl will put all kinds of ideas and possibilities that actually sound quite realistic and feasible in my head. It's also interesting that the nastier girls are more economical, like they almost do too good of a job.

I wish i could get in on all this "free" front room action. The only girls i've had really do it are the ones i'm not interested in, and that was to try to sell a dance. And you bet they wanted a tip for it. ldk82 might have to work on his front room game and he might just get his nut off for free, although once the girls catch on, that probably won't continue.

At least your two favorites seem to be in different clubs, so you don't have to worry about estranging either of them.
SirLapdancealot
7 years ago
^ At this point she talks flirty but not hardcore dirty. She says stuff like how good it is to see me and that I feel good too as I say the same about her. Also she teases about how much of a good first dance we had and how she wants to make me feel good and have a good time with me. It is SS but it isn't scripted and over the top. We flirt talk amidst small talk and front room dick teasing.

But given how physically aggressive she is, I'm sure we could totally have some hardcore dirty talk. LOL stay tuned on that note.

She's just simply super outwardly sexual. The type that knows she's a hottie and likes to flirt like one but isn't stuck up about it. No GPS in her whatsoever but still an aggressive flirt as fuck. Our chemistry is really good and her stripper attitude is awesome. We talked about the SC game and the hustle and she's not one at all. At this point she has the best attitude out of any other stripper I've ever met. All fun, flirty, and slutty with zero drama and hustle. A cool chick.

Front room and bar dick teasing is AWESOME. Seriously. It is foreplay to having an awesome time later getting dances. LDKs are always more intense and eye rolling / toe curling when I get front room dick teasing and I go into the dances already horny and excited. Also the afterglow and post cum feeling lasts longer too.

I'm into the total be a stud and baller fantasy at the club (duh), and so to sit and flirt and get my dick teased by a hot as fuck stripper as soon as I arrive and before I get dances with her just enhances and amplifies the entire visit. To have a boner and being horny the whole time I'm ITC and then end with an LDK is my goal every time.

Getting it depends a little on the club but also for sure your chemistry with her and her attitude itself. I will always by her drinks if she is physically teasing me but sometimes it isn't necessary at all as long as there is good conversation going and she doesn't want one.

Also my ace in the hole for free dick teasing time is giving a good massage. When all else fails, I start rubbing her back and ass good as I have one arm around her and when I feel a knot or tension I start rubbing it out. Almost invariably she likes how it feels and from there I parlay it into some really good raging boner dick teasing as I give her a massage with both hands and my hard cock is between her ass cheeks.

And yeah I like the fact that I have a fave in two completely different clubs. It's going to be interesting to see if and how my relationship changes with my ATF DS as I see her less. It's gonna happen because I'm really digging her backup. LMAO I'm so glad this is my PL "problem".
SirLapdancealot
7 years ago
So I saw my ATF DS today after she had been gone a week and she was in top form. For the cost of $6 for a Red Bull with tip I sat with her for an hour at the bar with my dick so hard 'tween her ass cheeks. And she was sticking her ass way out and arching her back for me and wiggling it on my hard cock good as we sat at the bar. I was so hard the entire time. I told her I missed her (not mentioning that I got other dances) and she said she missed me and the massages. So for that hour I gave her a good one all over her neck, arms, back, legs, and ass as she sensually ass grinded on my hard dick and balls. She stuck her ass way off the edge of the bar stool for me and I sat my stool close and pressed my hard dick up between her ass cheeks hard. If felt so damn good. And as I played with her ass, I squeezed and rubbed my raging boner with it in all kinds of stimulating ways. I had my eyes rolling with pleasure several times throughout the hour.

And then as usual she gives me two awesome high mileage dances. My dick never has much of a chance to go soft from her dances because she gives me so much prolonged stimulation in many positions. I LDKed so hard with her in cowgirl and my face buried in her tits as she was moaning and cooing. There even was a minute to go, and like a pro she kneels between my legs and tit fucks my spent cock until the very end of the second song. I was laughing from the over stimulation and got to the point of me having to shy away. And like the best ever that she is she is just looking at me with a beaming smile because she knows I'm excited as fuck. She always gives me this devilish and sexy grin when I am in post LDK euphoria.

If I were to contrast her with my new backup CF she is a sensual and playful flirt whereas the backup CF is a forward and super slutty flirt. Both of them make me feel like a king and are awesome with dick teasing but my ATF DS and her 9 beauty and body and her sensuality are what ultimately make her my ATF #1.

But still I am looking forward to new adventures switching between the two. It's been over a year of near exclusivity with my ATF DS and now the freshness of the change to a twogina PL is exciting.
Jascoi
7 years ago
dang sir lap... GREAT front room action! i'm jealous!!!
SirLapdancealot
7 years ago
^ @justme62 the front room action in the form of constant dick and balls teasing really has been great for me lately. Best I've had in all my PL years. Usually I have to work up to it with time like I did with my ATF DS, but this backup CF caught me by surprise right out of the gate. And now having two options for it is great. And once spoiled by it on a consistent basis, I want it all the time.

Because it has only been two visits, I am really excited about how the flirting at the bar progresses with time with my new backup CF. LOL I don't even know where she could improve. And I'm looking forward to the first time I have to play the massage card to see how she likes it.

Also to your point, my ATF DS tells me I make all her other regulars and customers jealous. They outright tell her as such and I've seen the looks on their eyes when they have to wait for me to leave before getting time with her. She will sit with them for 15 min max and it is never spooning like we do. Also there's no massaging. With me she gives me full sensual and horny GFE for up to an hour because I'm such a reliable regular and because I give a legit good massage (LMAO in the process of rubbing my dick and balls with her ass cheeks). When we talk at the bar it is in cheek to cheek cuddling and spoon position with no personal space boundaries. It's a routine and closeness that comes from knowing and seeing someone a long time. I'm totally spoiled by it which is why I want to keep cultivating it as a routine with the backup CF. I don't want to establish that I just want dances as soon as I arrive. I want the regularity of some good raging boner time from the get-go. LOL and so far, so good.
Roadworrier
7 years ago
Sir Lap, you do have a good thing going. OTC has its own risks as I learned with the ATF who essentially gave away too much personal info, basically wanted a sugar daddy and didn’t want to put out in the manner I expected. My other ATF is strictly ITC and moved to another city so I see her when I go down there. Interestingly the second introduced me to the first at my old favorite club, and in those good old days we would do occasional threesomes in VIP, and they’d be hanging with me for dinner. There were always one or two backups which helped when both of my ATFs moved on.

Lately, I just haven’t gone to clubs enough during the non-peak hours (when I met both my current/former ATFs) to cultivate new company. One thing that usually leads to CF status with me is spending time together in the club, whether just engaging me in conversation while being sexy but not rushing me into a room or to the couch (especially when things are slow), or sharing some dinner (as my former favorite club is actually known for decent food / drinks).

The relaxed vibe works both ways and allows verbal/non-verbal communication to develop when she agrees to assuming various compromising positions atop my lap.

What I’ve realized now is getting to that relaxed vibe is getting tough. Most younger (under 25) dancers in a less busy bar nowadays would rather sit and play with their smartphones than engage with a real human. I cannot imagine, unlike 3-4 years ago, going to a club at 4 pm on a Saturday and attracting/making a new, attractive semi-dressed friend just by sitting at the bar and providing tips to the worthy dancers.
Roadworrier
7 years ago
And Dirk thanks for the original post. I think most guys (who actually go to clubs) can see themselves in your shoes.
SirLapdancealot
7 years ago
@Roadworrier have faith and trust that an ATF that gives you a relaxed vibe GFE will come around. And yeah to your point the CF/ATF relationship with a PL is all about being more relaxed and chill while at the same time more flirty and GFE than with a non-regular.

Ok so lately I have been working up to the point where I could LDK at the bar and for the first time tonight I can now say that I got to that point with my ATF DS. I got so much dick teasing time that if I wanted I could have easily made myself LDK but I didn't. Between two of her stage sets and waiting on another customer she gave me over an hour of rock hard raging boner dick teasing. Of course I gave her a great massage too, but I got that out of the way early. And so for 45 min continuously I had full control of squeezing her ass cheeks into the top of my balls and the underside of my hard cock in every imaginable way possible. It was basically me getting to use her ass cheeks to get myself off if I wanted. To everyone else it looked like I just had my hands on her hips and I was spooning her as we grooved to the music, but discreetly I was using my thumbs and palms to press her ass cheeks to put pressure on my dick and balls in all kinds of ways. And moreover I was getting all the stroking action all up and down the underside of my entire cock and the top of my balls that I wanted because she arched her back and stuck her ass out at me and let me control all the action and stimulation and pressure. LMAO my ATF DS is always having technical difficulties with either of her phones, and tonight she was at it for 45 min straight but also would dance and tease me to the music. So as she was preoccupied, I stroked my dick and balls so much and it felt so fucking good that I got to the point of LDKing but instead I would back off and just keep edging. The final 20 min was like this. I stayed on edge and rock hard and horny as fuck the entire time. It was awesome and just about the best possible front room dick teasing that I have ever had.

And my ATF DS gave me all that time by her choice. Before that 45 min, she was on stage and she said another guy wanted some dances. She gave me the option of getting dances first, but because I only had 15 minutes of dick teasing time at the bar and wanted more, I said it was up to her but I was willing to wait. She decided to have me wait, and so I did for three dances. But then after that I had her for 45 min straight.

To me this is what having a regular CF/ATF is all about. She gave me the right of first refusal for dances with her, and she still chose to hang out with me afterwards and let me play with her ass on my dick and balls for 45 min straight. This is GFE that I just don't get unless I've been a regular for a while.

And so to reciprocate for all the time she gave me, I didn't have to but I did a 30 min VIP with her and had an awesome time. LMAO I was already on edge from the start and so I held out for 20 min until I could not hold back anymore and I had an explosive LDK. And then afterwards she knowingly gave me post LDK cowgirl, reverse cowgirl, and final titty fuck with her stroking my spent cock OTP until I had to shy away and laugh from overstimulation. It was so good because again all the earlier ass play at the bar had me on edge from the start.
SirLapdancealot
7 years ago
So I got to see both my backup CF and ATF DS over the last two nights and for sure ATF DS keeps her title. She is hotter - a 9 vs backup CF is an 8. Also she is much more available and puts a high priority on me - backup CF always has a few guys waiting for her and she can't spend a lot of civie dick teasing time with anyone because there's a queue of guys waiting. Other than these reasons, both are superb regular / favorite strippers and it is awesome having both as options. I am glad I branched out a little and kept exploring for a backup to my ATF DS every few months. But also I am glad to just have the two as guaranteed good times ITC, which to me is making me feel like a king and stud as soon as they see me, teasing my dick and balls in the main room, and giving me high mileage dances ending in LDK. And in my experience, it is always easier to get all this with strippers that know you. Sure variety is nice but guaranteed service is what I want. And if I get bored and need a change, I go see different strippers until I find another fave.

theDirkDiggler
7 years ago
Yeah, the ATF is the sure thing for me too. The other "favorite" just isn't as consistent (i don't even know when she works or have her number), and is pretty popular in her own right. She definitely doesn't give me immediate priority when she does work as evidenced by her spending lengthy times with the other unsightly specimens before me. And she's also not as attractive (8ish range compared to my personal 10 for the ATF). So even though she delivers in spades in her actual product, my money and "loyalty" is to the ATF. As for cultivating backups, that third favorite (maybe second now) just keeps staying in my mind, as i've had some awesome experiences with her and i know they can get even better, especially if i open the bank for her.
SirLapdancealot
7 years ago
LOL @theDirkDiggler we are nearly in the same space with our #1 and #2. I even have a few backup backup "thirds" and a few prospects I have been lurking on our local strippers website to go to someday, but I have no need when I have such good times with #1 and #2.

To me moving on from a fave takes care of itself in two ways. The first way is my boredom or losing interest in her. And when this happens I simply move on. Out of my last 20 favorites over the last 8 years, this has happened all of twice. She never stepped up her game over time and she started mailing in her dances with me, so I went to more exciting backups or found new favorites.

The second way is from our schedules and clubs no longer aligning and I just can't see her. I pretty much can only go to the clubs regularly right after work and never during the late nights so often my favorite will only keep a shift like that for a few months before something changes. This happens much more often than the first reason, so I don't really ever worry about needing to move on from lack of interest. And also this is why I keep investing in backups every few months.

I am really lucky with my ATF DS because she almost insists on staying at the slow club she works at and she is an OCD creature of habit and she has kept the same shift at the same club for years even before me. And she doesn't like to seek out customers for fear of rejection by them. So she really likes a customer like me who is nearly exclusive to her and wants to shower her with attention. By contrast with my backup CF who does not really need me for business, yesterday when I saw my ATF DS she said she was so glad to see me and was having a bad day. And then she proceeded to spend over 45 min with me and letting me play with her ass cheeks to rub my hard cock and balls with them the entire time as she vented all her work and issues of the day to me. And I even told her after 15 min that I was ready any time for dances. It was by her choice and at no charge to me ('cept a Red Bull and some legit massaging amidst the ass play) to dick and balls tease me with her ass for over 30 min more before giving me three high mileage dances ending in LDK. And again out of the 20 last favorites it has never ever been so good so there is absolutely no reason for me to change things with her.
SirLapdancealot
7 years ago
Things have progressed well with my backup CF. Last night I started giving her a massage with one hand as we sat together and she liked it so much that she assumed the same position as my ATF DS does where she sat with her back to me and let her ass hang off the edge of her chair while I spooned behind her with my hard dick between her perfect apple ass cheeks as I massaged her shoulders, back, and ass. She was putty in my hands. After 10 minutes she then sat on my lap and flirted with me and discreetly stroked my hard cock and balls for another five minutes before we went to the private dance area. And I didn't need to tip or buy her a drink. She loved the massage and dick teasing me without any need for compensation (other than getting some dances).

Then after her two high mileage dances she had me LDK hard by riding me cowgirl while also stick shifting me as I came and continuing to stroke and grind for a minute after. This stripper is a queen of seduction and customer service. She's awesome.

As I was leaving she said that now moving forward I might have to massage her every time I see her. I laughed and said "I guess so if you are going to twist my 'arm' for it." She laughed too and hugged and kissed me on the cheek goodbye. And for all of this I spent a total of $60 (two $25 ea dances, $5 tip, and $5 at the stage).

To me nothing beats cultivating a good business relationship with a regular stripper. With the right ones, over time the service gets better and better without any increase in cost and sometimes there's even a decrease. Also the interactions become more natural and less scripted. It becomes like truly just hanging out and having a good time together while ITC.

And if it doesn't work out, I just go find another regular stripper. Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
theDirkDiggler
7 years ago
^ I don't has as much experience cultivating ATFs/DSs/CFs as you. The current one is about 6 months and only about half of that being mostly exclusive. Maybe because you have clear and pretty simple expectations that are largely being met and exceeded, it is working quite nicely for you.

I'm in that weird space, not quite like taxi_driver's "emptiness", but i don't think the ATF will ever be a DS or maybe i don't think i'll ever have a DS, because i'm just not delusional enough not to realize that it is just a dream and the dream poofs quite easily after the fact and sometimes during no matter how good the ATF is at acting. My expectations just aren't clear and much more open ended and complex, but i know that i will probably never get what i really want from the ATF. I'm fine with that, but i will likely have to re-evaluate how i move forward from now. Not just with her, but with all strippers.

I had another encounter with both the ATF and the "backup" recently back-to-back again. Again this visit provided more clarity. The physical disparity (she just seems to get more unfit, the more i see her) and "hygiene" disparity just was too much and the dances with the backup while potentially very enjoyable just felt more like a waste to me and that i was just going through the motions and ended them earlier than usual. The girl definitely noticed and it was hard for her to hide her disappointment. I still tipped her generously, and mumbled some excuse but i definitely won't be seeking her out in the future.

As for the ATF, i won't say the dances were mailed in, but they aren't going to get any better, it seems. What i have is what i'm going to get with her, and while still immensely enjoyable and preferable to every other dancer in that club for me, there's just going to be diminishing returns with her the longer i'm with her. Probably because i'm just not a natural onegina PL. And if i see her less and less (or spend less money on her), this diminishing will likely only accelerate. I'll still try to enjoy the ride, but there is definitely a visible light at the end of this tunnel.
SirLapdancealot
7 years ago
^ I agree I have very simple expectations and I am 100% clear that I am paying for a complete fantasy, so meeting a DS is rare but still realistically achievable. Plus DS status is a lot about body and looks to me. Because I know I want a fantasy, I have a very high standard and my arousal (and ultimately my ability to LDK) is a proportional function of that standard. The closer a stripper is to an all natural 10, the easier I get aroused. So mostly my search for DSs is difficult just because of my high body and looks standard.

And yes I do believe that since I have simplified, refined, and repeated exactly what I want in my strip club experience over many years, through conversation and interaction with strippers I can identify and screen potential CF/ATF candidates easier and in general it is easy for me to build a good starting rapport with strippers. I simply play the fantasy and see how she responds to my initial flirting and copping feels on her in the process.

As to your situation, it sounds simply like you should just keep working on other faves and your relationship with your ATF has simply "lost it's luster". Time to shake things up and find another fave or variety of faves.

I don't see the "onegina" mindset as absolute. To me it's just varying degrees of exclusivity vs total variety amongst PLs. No PL is 100% exclusive to just one stripper over time and no PL just randomly goes to just any different stripper every single time he clubs. So even though you aren't a hardcore "onegina" PL, the fact that you cultivated and experienced a relatively long relationship with a fave gives you some tendencies as one.

Besides, it is a self-correcting thing. A "onegina" PL is one only as long as he enjoys it. As soon as he realizes that his fave is no longer as appealing, he just moves on. This could easily happen to me and my ATF DS. And if so then one of two results usually happens: 1) I realize that my fave is still the best for me at that time or 2) I find someone better than the fave so I move on.
SirLapdancealot
7 years ago
Ok so my ATF DS has lately been getting more and more customers. Tonight I had to wait for her spending time with three of them before she got to me. She just chatted with two and with the third guy she gave dances and chatted with him. Also during the past two visits I had to wait for her to give dances to two other customers in a row that were there before me. And with all of these observations, she didn't give any of them the same level of physical interaction at the bar and tables as she does with me. Not even close. With all the others she just sat next to the guy and chatted. There was zero touching and flirting between them. With me as soon as she comes up to me, she immediately lets me start rubbing on her ass and back, and also she gets right up in my lap and immediately rubs up against my dick somehow, whether by spooning or a frontal straddle of one of my thighs as one of hers rubs my crotch. As we talk I can put my arms around her and pull her up close to me as much as she does her rubbing and ass wiggling on my dick at her own discretion. Over the last year and a half with her there is not one other customer that I have seen her with that is like me where she interacts with physically and dick teases so much out in the main room. She's told me that all her customers have nicknames and mine is her "sweetheart". True, it is SS at the end of the day, but one thing that is real is all her good dick teasing and flirting with me that is well beyond her norm with her other customers.

And again I'm pretty sure it is a privilege earned from being a consistent and respectful regular to her. She has customers that get at least twice as many dances as me (which is always 2-3) but they don't ever get as much free attention and dick teasing beforehand. And this is over dozens of observations and nights where I have had to wait for her to finish with other customers. Once again, regular "membership" has its privileges.
theDirkDiggler
7 years ago
^ With my ATF, i think i'm too high on the totem pole (PL pole) with her to have to wait much at all for other PLs, so i don't really see her interactions (front room) with other customers except and only after i'm done with her at which point i usually leave the club, but i have meandered every now and then in the hope of finding an old favorite who might still be around. But at the same time I'm probably a sure easy thing for her, so she doesn't have to try anywhere as hard in terms of flirtation or physical "selling", which she does and does pretty well with other PLs. Heck, she could sell me again if we had to do it all over again. I must admit that it does slightly annoy me when i see dudes basically groping her for free as she sits on their lap being all cute. Well not really free as they almost always do "a" dance (or more) with her eventually or drink with her (she's a bit of a party girl), but she's seems to be trying harder unnecessarily, unnecessary at least when i'm there. Not that she isn't flirtatious or physically affectionate with me in the front room, although we don't do that dick between the cheeks thing, although she definitely has the ass for it. I don't think she's doing that with other PLs either; she really does seem to be just sitting on their laps. She gets creeped out pretty easily and is pretty good at removing herself from such situations.

I did see her again recently and had hands down the best time with her to date, so way up there in best strip club experiences ever (and the most costly as well, unsurprisingly). I'm "almost" certain that she doesn't do all the things she does with me, with any, let alone every, other PL. But that's not the point really.

I am in a bit of a quandary. Every time i think that i'm starting to get over the ATF, she pulls something like this on me. I don't think it's by design; she doesn't seem quite that experienced or sophisticated to fully know the game and play it that well. Sometimes, she seems very simple; she is quite young, not far removed from baby status. I'm not going to question it, but enjoy the ride as i have been. The only thing is that day, i was approached by two hotties on separate occasions and each time i friendly but clearly turned them down as i was waiting on the ATF. One of those was a regular, maybe not quite a regular as she seems to have very poor short term/long term memory. Prescription drug issues maybe. She was looking really good, like better than i remembered. Very close to a 10 as she's generally a 9+ IMO. Either way, i was reminded of the potential that i'm giving up just because of my "loyalty" to the ATF. Now the ATF isn't particularly jealous and neither am i, but i'm considering going to the club on days that she doesn't work to hit it up with some of these hotties.

Why after all these stellar experiences with the ATF would i go back to less awesome (but still very pleasant) experiences with known commodities and unfamiliar experiences with unknown commodities? I'm still intrigued by CF #3 whom i haven't seem in a decent while. I'm actually considering texting her to see when she works although i have never texted her before. Weird that i would resort to such sneaking, but i still firmly believe there is no cheating in strip clubs, although i would prefer to avoid as much drama as possible. I thought i had it figured out. If or when i do this, i probably will feel that i wasted my time and money if even only so slightly compared to the ATF, but this bird you cannot change...
SirLapdancealot
7 years ago
^ Even as a regular I respect "first come, first serve" in the club, so if there are customers waiting for her already I don't and won't cut ahead of them. With my ATF DS my only expectations are 1) to know that I'm there for her ASAP as soon as I arrive and 2) to check in with me and stop by as soon as she sees me to let me know about how long I have to wait. Most of the time I'm the first in line anyway but lately she has been getting more business.

You gotta keep at your #2 and #3 as long as they give you a good time and you find them sexy. To me it will cost you only a few missed sessions with your ATF but that is miniscule in comparison to all the time you've already spent together.

LOL or just ride #1 exclusively until you burn out on her and then move on.
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