Some Adelitas and Tijuana Pointers and Advice

@lapdancelover23,

Thank you for this outstanding and extremely practical article. We don't get anywhere near enough detailed information about Mexico.

Let me just try to ask you about a few things.

1. What some say is that it is best to take the trolley from San Diego, It is the Blue Line. Now of course the efficacy of this depends on where you are actually coming from. But you might be able to leave your car in San Diego. If coming from LA, there are other buses to get to San Diego.

2. To me, looking at videos and at Google Satellite View, it looks like it is no problem to walk from the Transit Center, or the Parking Lot, directly to the Zona.

3. About hotels in Mexico, I had read in a book that if you stay in a Mexican hotel, outside of a Zona, then they don't want escorts. So if they think your girl is such, they won't let her in. Of course this would be completely unacceptable in the US, but in Mexico we have to go with the flow. I don't know if they would challenge her if she was with you, but if she tries to come in to meet you, it sounds like problems.

Of course, if one is going to be partaking heavily, I would assume that one is going to want to take girls outside of the Zona, and spend more time with them. And then one is going to be seeing regulars by appointment. So if possible, outside of the Zona would be better.

1. Flying in to the TJ Airport. Airports take up lots of acreage. But in TJ even the airport gate is not that far from the Zona.

2. So as far as getting a hotel on the US side, why? If I'm going to pay for a hotel, it will be on the Mexican side because that's where the women are. I can come back in the morning. Though I do suspect that lots of American guys go there and never come back.

3. I know that taking a car in there is a liability. But this is not just in Mexico. Anytime I am expecting a confrontation with police in the US, I am always on foot. Less to lose, less regulations for them to find you in violation of.

I know that Mexico has a completely different legal system, and then corruption too.

Even seen the movie Traffic, with Michael Douglas?

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But still, if one is going to be doing business in Mexico, then one is going to be wanting to drive cars and trucks across the border. I don't know about taking them into the Zona though.

1. " If you meet a dancer who wants to go for sex outside of the club - that should be a red flag that perhaps she wants to rip you off."

But don't some of these clubs not have their own hotels? Does Chicago Club have a hotel? Also, aren't the Cascadas and Rizo de Oro also set up to let you bring outside girls in, and no extra charge unless you want two girls at a time? Someone posted this before. Those hotels, with the Jacuzzi, look better if you want to spend more time with the girl, effectively entertaining her and getting to know her better during the in-between times.

And then aren't there some places which are just "hooker bars", and then the street hookers. They would be nice in the fancy Jaccuzi rooms too.

1. Negotiating, my own experiences are honed in AMPs. But I think the basic principle applies everywhere. You can give women money, but you should never treat them like prostitutes and you should never try to buy sex from them. So if she wants money to go up to the hotel room with you, fine. But as for setting up what is to happen, it is better to do that by casual fraternizing with her, flirting with her, and by coming on to her, and even getting physically friendly in the front room. Actually a strip club is a much better environment for that than an AMP or Lingerie Modeling place.

So if she wants to give you BBBJ, she will. If she doesn't want to, then giving her more money will not actually change her feelings about it.

If she likes you and she can tell that you like her and that you are treating her right, she'll be real good to you.

I learned much about how this works because here in San Jose we've had several rounds of these underground unadvertised table dancing shows in Mexican bars. The Mexicans call them 'Bikini Show".

Most of the girls who do those shows, Latina, Black, White, do OTC. There was also a core group which I refer to as "The Beloved Latina Escorts". They are really good to guys. They respect each guy, and this comes across in how they treat him. So yes they do want to be paid, but the money is more a show of respect. It isn't inducing them to do anything they wouldn't otherwise want to do.

1. "I approached her and told her how much for sex, she told me $60."

To me this has to be the worst possible way imaginable to approach a girl, and all the more so in such a place. Zillions of things one could say to her and all kinds of ways to get friendly with her, and to hand money to her so that she knows you aren't just wasting her time too. But asking her such a question spoils it from the start. If you and she get along she'll give you her very best and she won't be unreasonable. No reason at all to talk to her like that.

This is how I see it. Am I missing something?

1. "I approached her and told her how much for sex, she told me $60. I told her If she would go for $50, she kind of paused for a second then said , OK. But before we went upstairs, I told her I had $120 left in my pocket and I wanted to make 1 offer to her for the $100, if she declined then I wouldn't go. She wanted to know what it was. I said I wanted to get a BJ without a rubber and fuck her up her ass. She didn't want to take that offer at first. I told her I saw her here for 2hrs and no one was getting her. "

You agreed to something and then you backed out? And you were dickering over $10 when the ATM's pass out $20's.

And then you tried to pressure her into something she said she didn't want to do, and you did it by insulting her?

My own perception of prostitution in a Mexican context is that it is quite gentile, it is mutually respectful, and this is what makes it so nice.

And she doesn't need you to tell her how the money works. She knows that getting a longer session from one guy is better than trying to get two short sessions, because of the down time and the flake out rate.

I treat all women like civilians and in all situations. I don't try to buy sex from them, I just set it up so that it happens. I know that in certain types of venues she is there to get money, so I let her ask for it. In the near future I'll just be making up excuses to hand them money, like it goes with fraternizing tips in strip clubs.

Here, Dr. F. gives a girl by girl account of how extremely friendly things get in the front room of the Hong Kong bar. That is how to "negotiate" with a girl, by coming on to her and by letting it happen. But there, it sounds like the girls don't give any choice but to it that way: tuscl.net

And here too: youtube.com

Have you ever spent more than 1hr with one of the girls? Taken her to eat somewhere or gotten room service? Seen her another time making an appointment with her over the telephone? Done tota la noche with her? Partaken with one of the street hookers?

Again, thanks for your article, and there is much practical safety information in it.

A neighbor of mine went some years ago, and he and his friend each picked a girl in a bar and took them to a hotel for tota la noche. It was fine, and the girls were great. But there was a safety problem with the hotel itself.

On Escorts of Mexico it says "Mexicali is different than Tijuana. There is a more relaxed feeling, more personal."

I think this means that they do more extended sessions and more toda la noche, besides the prices being a bit lower.

To me, tota la noche seems like one of the characteristics of how this is done in Mexico, though not everywhere or in every situation. In Ron Kovicks book there is a really tender toda la noche scene in a rural brothel.

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Don't let him scare you. It really isn't nearly that bad. Don't be stupid. Don't go looking for help or special treatment and you will be fine.

Zona Norte is not the only place for whores in Tijuana , real mongers like me will go deeper into the city that's where you find the real gold like in the new body escort club and 7 copas bar , la cueva del peludo whorehouse , X club , if you notice Hong Kong and tropical bar etc are all close to the border

San Jose guy: You're treating this like a GF type date. I don't go to Adelitas to taker her out to eat or spend countless hours with her in my own Hotel room. In fact - Out of all the years I have been going there - going back to early 2000's - I have NEVER seen or heard of any guy wanting a GFE with these chicks. Adelitas is the type of place you go to, pick your chick, take them upstairs to the hotel room, do your thing and DONE!

Maybe GFE is your thing, wanting to spend hours with the same girl. I'm sure you can get that but most of them will do it there at the club's hotel room. I know they have VIP suits with a jacuzzi, so if spending hours with the same girl to get GFE is your thing, then that's the route you'll take there.

My approach isn't wrong either. These girls don't approach you with the bullshit. They're straight up with you. Most go up to you, grab your dick and tell you, 'Let's go upstairs and fuck". That's how it is there bro. They're not with the "let's sit down and get to now you better crap" They're there to make money and make it as fast as possible. And you should ALWAYS negotiate a price because they will try to sucker you first. A lot are trying to shoot for the $100 offer. That's not the real rate. It's $60, but if you say yes to it right away, then they just made an extra $40 on you which they keep all of that profit. The club profits $20 for every customer they take up stairs and the girls keep $40.

I'm just trying to give you guys some advice on how to have a good time for less money. It's always good when you can get the goods for a negotiated price. But hey - If you want to be the lovey-dubby type with them, taking them out to eat, trying to take them out of the club to your own room, It's going to cost twice or three times as much then just picking and getting what you want and then moving on. My trips there, I usually get 2 girls over all - then eat my tacos and bounce. I'm just there to get my nut on, not have GFE...

Good solid advice – yeah it may not be that bad but knowledge is power – it's analogous to giving advice on how not to get ROBed in U.S. strip-clubs – does not mean one will get ROBed automatically/every-time they go to a U.S. SC if they don't know the deal; but it can and does happen so better to be informed and act accordingly.

You mentioned you like Adelitas better than HK whereas most people on here prefer HK – I'm a Hispanic guy myself (Caribbean) and never been to TJ but have read a fair amount of reviews and I think I would like the Adelitas girls better too – I tend to like the curvier women and also like older women which often tend to be curvier – and it seems Adelitas may have this type in greater #s. - whereas most on here are Anglos and seem to more prefer the younger and slimmer HK girls – IMO.

@silkypants, Thanks for your words of wisdom. We greatly need your expertise here.

@nemesisk7, Thank you very much for that information. I had not known about these other clubs. Now yes, I know that Zona Norte is right over the fence from the border. You walk through all the customs stuff, and then you have to turn back and walk towards the actual border to get into the Zona. I know that most of it is little shabby looking hotels. To me it looks a great place to be shacked up with a girl and wearing out a mattress. But I also know that if you are getting more Mexicanized and want to spend even more time with a girl, then outside the Zona would be better.

As far as these other clubs, I had not known about them. Anything more you wanted to share with us would be most appreciated.

@lapdancelover23,

You are bringing some approach of your own to this which does not at all check out, and really it is quite repulsive.

First of all, TJ is known for escorts. They do real nice GFE sessions with people. Someone here posted about a year ago about such.

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Now the girl he saw, by appointment, had been introduced to him by a friend. But when she has holes in her appointment schedule, does she go and stand out on the sidewalk? I don't know. Is it easy to set up sessions like that once you have sessioned with a street hooker? I suspect it is.

But what it says on Escorts of Mexico is that the street hookers will give you a real nice GFE hour. And in fact at these underground shows in San Jose's Mexican Bars, the core group of Latinas also gave guys phenomenal GFE sessions. This is why they are so loved. It's just part of their culture.

Dr. F. explains how it goes in the HK Bar: tuscl.net

And then here, check out the two kneeling at the edge of the stage: youtube.com

Part of what people like about that place is that you can get quite friendly with the girls there in the front room. That more than anything else determines how well it can go in the hotel room.

Guys fly in from different continents and check into rooms like this: hotelcascadas.com

And they have the restaurant and room service and garden dining and even a roof top garden. And yes it all costs money, but that is a place where it will be well worth it.

They don't do that just so that they can pressure a girl into agreeing to anal sex when she obviously is not comfortable with it, or to dicker with her over $10, or to insult her by reminding her how slow her business is.

I have no doubt that how the girls interact with you is based entirely on how you interact with them.

Now with Adelitias there might be some difference, but they do say now that you can stay overnight in their hotel. Anyway, you must have picked that place because of how you wanted to do things.

"let's sit down and get to now you better crap"

Again, Dr. F.'s girl by girl account: tuscl.net

Like Dr. F. says, they come over and ask you to buy them a drink, and they're already getting really friendly. He explained that he bought one of them her requested drink and was talking to her for 30min. And then of course if your making up ways to keep feeding her money, I'm sure you can talk as long as you like. Maybe in Adelitas they do it more like you say, but if you are feeding her money and you are nice to her, I'm sure you can steer it how ever you like. It does make a difference whether you have known her 10 minutes or only 10 seconds. If she wants to come on with maximal aggression, fine, that makes it all the easier to engage with her the way you want and let something nice develop before committing to the upstairs session.

Maybe the girl you dealt with was new. Maybe she was not comfortable being super aggressive as most of the others are. You say she got no action in 2 hours. But then you also weren't approaching her or the others for two hours, to be able to observe this. Still even if you paid the money for her, and you paid me too, I wouldn't do what you did. That is just not cool to pressure her into going beyond her comfort zone that way.

Also, as I see it, anal sex is more for when you are really getting intense and animalistic with a girl. Like say you are shacked up with her for a while. You might do her two times vaginally and then the 3rd time either BBBJ 'til completion or anal, and then the forth time you send her away with another vaginal fuck. And of course you exchange contact info and will do your best to be back soon.

In that sort of a way was how an old girlfriend of mine liked it. If you think about it some, it makes a great deal of sense why that would be extremely satisfying for both parties.

Women are deeply effect by sex. That is, unless they have learned to do it in a state of dissociation.

Guys are also just as deeply effected. It's just that they try to hide it.

And asking you for $100 when most will do it for $60 or $40 isn't suckering you. They're just trying to earn a living in a difficult job with an early retirement age. Dickering with her is fine. Like it says on Escorts of Mexico, the objective is to find a fair price, but not necessarily to dicker her down to the absolute lowest possible price. You want her to feel good about it.

And besides, getting her to agree to something and then pulling out and using that to get her to agree to something else is a type of negotiating tactic which would be frowned upon in any field of business.

For me, the idea is to separate the money from the sex. Feed her money for sure, to show good will, and because she expects it and needs it. But the sex itself gets distanced from that.

Also, because the club gets a cut for each guy she takes upstairs, that is another reason to spend more time and money on her downstairs. That is where you set up the emotional dynamics of your relationship with her. Big difference between knowing her only 10 seconds, versus being able to get friendly for 10min. It is also where you still can back out if you find out that she is just unreachable or just too far gone.

"If you want to be the lovey-dubby type with them, taking them out to eat..."

Mostly that is just how you show some consideration towards them. Everybody needs to eat. But it is also just that you need to entertain her during the in-between times.

Like at the Hong Kong Bar, I think that if possible doing her once quickly in the roof top garden, and then food, and then continuing in the hotel room would be great.

Making sure the price is decided before walking into any booths, backrooms, or hotel rooms is necessary, so that they don't try to bill you afterwards. But you don't need to do it with the harsh and disrespectful tactics you are using.

You are paying money just so you can degrade and humiliate a girl by how you are treating her.

Your advice on safety is good. I think it is common sense. I don't know if it is as dangerous as you say, but being careful is good. But making sex for as little money as possible the objective, and doing it the way you are, is repulsive.

If I just wanted to "get my nut on", then I would purchase an inanimate battery powered machine, rather than asking a beautiful young girl to impersonate one.

If I like a girl, I want to approach her and interact with her so that she will come to like me. Money pays for her being there and being able to be with me. But I would never use it to try and persuade her to do something with me that she is not otherwise perfectly happy to do.

As everybody else presents it, Mexico is a land of GFE. Anyone who has social dealings with Latinas comes to see this. As I saw of the Mexican men in the bars in San Jose, they treat women with a very high degree of respect, you could even say reverence. This is why things worked so well in those places.

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Papi, sounds like they have lots of different sorts of girls at the HK bar. Here are some with some stuffings:

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As I see it, these girls are for toda la noche.

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Papi, they say that in Tropical Bar the girls are a little older and thicker. It's because none of these places are really strip clubs, so the girls are not really stripper age. They say that in most of the places they are 25yo to 35yo.

For me that will be just splendid!

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@San Jose Guy: Like I said - Not all guys want a GFE like you do. And you're also forgetting that my srticle topic was ONLY about Adelitas and somethings you should know and can do (IF YOU WANT) to be safe out there with no dangers. I lived 2years in Tijuana when I was a teenager, although I was born in Los Angeles. I know how that City works. It's not as bad as some make it seem (I did mention that at the start of my article) But if you DO let your guard down, you will be an easy target.

And you said my approach is repulsive? Why??? Because I want to negotiate a better price? When you go buy a car, do you take the first offer the dealer makes you? NO, I see this the same way, and I don't feel bad about negotiations because these women don't give a rats ass about you either. They'll act sweet and nice to you because you got what they want, and they got what you want. This is a business transaction, not a personal feeling transaction. Perhaps you're an older man who wants to feel love and affection from a hooker, Hey - be my guest if you want that. I'm in my mid 30's and I don't go to TJ looking for that as 90% of guys who go there don't either.

Sure, as someone else mentioned. You can get some good stuff too outside of the zone BUT you do run major risk getting robbed and bodily hurt when you hit them small hole in the wall places. Shit - you want to find out for yourself - be my guest. Not saying you would, but in my article, I just mentioned that part on ways to be safer. I feel I'm in my right to be the one to give you guys REAL good advice on safety and dangers about TJ being that I lived there for 2 years and visit frequently, know my way around there like the back of my hand.

So with that being said, you're entitled to your own opinion. Approach women how you please at these whore houses, and remember, I did say DON'T BE A DICK WITH THEM, as I never. Just because I try to bring down the price, doesn't mean I'm being disrespectful tot hem. I speak to them in Spanish and NEVER take them out of their comfort zone. I just make my offer, if they accept, good, if they don't, I move on. THAT'S the way it should be at whore houses. But this article isn't for the ones who are looking for GFE like yourself..

One of these days, go to Adelitas and test the waters for yourself. See how straight forward these women are with you REGARDLESS if they're new or old there. You'll realize what I said is 100% true.

jose guy that's not fun just staying in la zona to many tourists and you could see San Diego on top of hong kongs Miami VIP room where can take multiple girls there and get a blow job with cum in mouth and you get buckets of beer Tecate are the girls favorite.Tijuana is bigger and better than that so many more girls that offer GFE in other parts of the city like Luxors massage and Marios bar

@lapdancelover23

I'm not saying your safety advice is wrong. The basic ideas are correct. I just don't know if the risk level and requisite level of caution are quite as high as you make it sound.

I'm not sure if you know about this article, someone who had things go very badly in Tijuana. I'd be interested in your take on it: tuscl.net

Everyone knows that these border towns, on both sides of the border, are not representative of either country. As a whole Mexico, though not the same as the US, is actually a quite peaceable place.

This is interesting too, David Stuart's two books about his time in Guaymas in 1970, Volume 1 La Mandadera. Read this one first. Then Volume 2 Zone of Tolerance.

Stuart found that Mexican men are very protective of their mothers, wives and daughters. So though he was good friends with all the waiters, bar tenders, and taxistas, it would be rare to be invited into their homes.

But with the Viejas, it is just like it is in San Jose California, they live in female headed households. So Stuart was always in and out of their homes and going places with them and attending their weekly late lunch.

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The picture he paints is of a very peaceful place and a great deal of mutual respect.

Now yes, they do divide women into two categories, as they do in most societies. And the division line is even sharper than it is today in the US. But there is still respect and honor for that second category. Most of them did not lead destructive lives, and guys were not bad with them.

The basic Mexican style of brothel is not a strip club, it was then hostess dancing. You dance with the girl, and you are paying her some. So you could probably keep dancing with her if you wanted. But no Mexican girl is going to need more than one dance to reduce a guy to complete jello. It all starts with the way that they look into your eyes. Anyone who has ever been around them will know this. So then its, "Do you want to come to my room with me por un ratitio?"

They show the Tijuana hostess dancing brothels in the movie La Bamba.

About negotiating price, what they say on Escorts of Mexico is that you want to reach a fair price, not necessarily the lowest possible price. You should try to let the girl feel good. It doesn't need to be completely mercenary. Even if one is buying a used car, like say in that small fishing port of Guaymas, one should not be too ruthless in negotiating anything, as word will get around and you'll be wanting to do other types of business with people. There is a web of reciprocal relationships in play.

The one you were dealing with might not have gotten comfortable yet with being super aggressive.

You write, "these women don't give a rats ass about you either"

But within your own statement is its contradiction. These women are still women. They are playing a special kind of role, and this is why they are there available for instant action. But this does not mean necessarily that they are completely case hardened.

The ones I call the Beloved Latina Escorts here in San Jose were certainly not case hardened. Yes, they knew how to protect themselves when necessary, but this was not their usual mode. They made guys happy, lots of guys, and they made them very happy. And yes, they did take in lots of money, but they were also extremely good with guys. Money alone could never buy that. They were about as GFE as it gets. It was just natural for them.

You write, "Not all guys want a GFE like you do."

Well, if you encounter a girl you like, don't you want to interact with her in a GFE mode? I mean women are just wired up that way. And has far as I have ever been able to see, this is all the more true of Latinas.

If you could not find a girl you liked, then that would be different. But in TJ's Zona, or anywhere in Mexico, this would be extremely unlikely.

So upon finding a girl you liked, wouldn't you want to get friendly with her some. It needn't be hours. Even just spending a could of songs getting friendly with her would make a big difference. She probably is quite willing to open up to people, just so long as they don't treat her like a prostitute.

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That TJ scene is set up for longer sessions. Like it says on Escorts of Mexico, they will give you 60min of GFE. Anytime it is done in hotel rooms, even quite rudimentary hotels, it will tend to be this way. Mostly it will come down to how you approach the girl and how you converse with her. Of course you'll be paying her, but this does not mean that you have to insult, degrade, and humiliate her in the process.

As some have explained, it TJ it is a companionship business. Sounds like it is even more so in Mexicali. Likewise in places like Thailand too. You have to pay the exit fee, but then the money to the girl is either the short time fee or the over night fee. The later is only about 50% more. So lots of guys go there for it. Same with TJ. I don't know percentages, but guys go there and they get what they want. But the big issue is that there is no reason to talk to the women in a disrespectful way. No good will ever come from that. They put up with it because they have to. But this doesn't mean that they like it.

Feeling love and affection from a hooker? Why does one feel a need to apply such a label. If you look down on them or feel some need to treat them differently from how you would treat other women, then why not just leave them alone. Stay with the women you respect. If you are going to Mexico and planning to session with a girl, then find one you actually like, and treat her with respect. No reason to deviate from this.

It took her 10min to decide if she would accept your offer and do both BBBJ and Anal? Well maybe she was new and inexperienced. Also, not everyone is cut out for that kind of work. But still, zero benefit in using the sharp negotiating tactics and pressuring her.

30 years ago I read an article in Hustler, about prostitution. This was before strip clubs in the US went as far as they often do now, so it was about escorts, street, and AMPs. They said that the number 1 rule is never treat her differently than you would other women. And never treat her like a prostitute.

I have applied this in AMPs, and then later with the Beloved Latina Escorts in San Jose's Mexican bars, and it has always stood me very well and had extremely good results. AMPs aren't really set up for GFE. But if you treat the girl nicely and come on to her and get her off of her service script, it can turn into mind blowing GFE.

No reason to approach any of them in a less than flattering and flirtatious way. Do it like you had just met her at a party and wanted to make it happen with her. She will introduce talk of money at the right time. Also, you can make up ways to show good will by handing her money without it being payment for anything. It goes like this in strip clubs anyway.

You wrote, "Just because I try to bring down the price, doesn't mean I'm being disrespectful tot hem"

Well approaching them via negotiating is already disrespectful. You are trying to get her to sell you sex, rather than getting friendly with her and coming on to her and letting her introduce the subject of money. You are not treating her as a civilian, you are treating her as someone who sells sex. That is already disrespectful. Absolutely no reason to do that.

It really is like you are paying money specifically so you can insult, degrade, and humiliate her.

I'm not a sex tourist. Too many women and other important things to do here. But I will be in TJ to expand a business across the border. There is still much I need to do here, and then much I need to learn to be ready for Mexico. But as I'll explain it to the women, when I'm there it will be "Working hard all day and then making love all night."

As far as what you are doing, talking to the girls like that, I would not do that if you paid the girl and paid me too.

@nemesisk7

Thank you for sharing your experiences. I'm sure you are right about getting out of the Zona. As I see it, it will just come down to gaining experience and becoming more Mexicanized. There is a safety concern about going into unfamiliar places. But I am sure that once one learns, the places outside the Zona Norte are better.

Does the Hong Kong Bar have a roof top garden, and can you take a girl from the bar up there, say to get a little more friendly with her before going to the hotel room?

Luxor Massage? I know of a place with this name in Ciudad Juarez. Don't know if it is still operating.

Marios Bar? I don't know about that.

Anything more you wanted to share of your experiences in and out of the Zona Norte would be most appreciated!

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@nemesisk7

You speak of this Hong Kong Bar's Miami VIP Room, you must mean something high enough up to see the 10 mile distance to San Diego. Like say on the ocean, 10 miles is about the horizon line.

Is this VIP Room all the way on top of the Cascadas Hotel? I think it is probably just a few floors up, and still allows view back down on to the stages.

But anyway, coming from you it sounds like lots of fun. You've definitely got me thinking about BBBJTCIM from their girls, and especially knowing that they will be good at it. I mean the physical technique will be good, but the facial flirting that they do will be phenomenal.

Now I have zero interest in getting beer into girls. But I get your real point, that being that this is fun place and that the women are just like women anywhere else. They are basically fun and playful, just so long as you are treating them the way they want. Now yes, this does cost some money, but it is well worth it.

You present TJ as a really fun place.

Mr. lapdancelover from LA presents all of it, even the women, as something close to a war zone. But I know it all starts from the way he talks to the women.

I'm sure all of them do BJ, and most of them BBBJ and BBBJTCIM if you want. Not sure how many of them do anal, but probably many will.

But no reason to be insulting towards them. Things can develop, things can get very GFE, if you want. Or maybe you like more PSE ( Porn Star Experience ) with the emphasis on BBBJ. Either way, for a sensible cost, mostly just treating them right, it can all be a great experience.

I am looking forward to it, my extensive activities in Mexico.

@nemesisk7,

Have you ever partaken with the street hookers? Ever exchanged contact info and them seen a girl by making an appointment? Toda la noche? Taking a Zona Girl outside of the Zona?

I think being able to get friendly with the girl outside of the hotel room is great, before you have settled on the full session. So if that HK VIP Room is such a place, great!

Not sure if you can do anything like that with the street hookers, how friendly you can get out on the sidewalk. Maybe need to take the girl someplace else first. But at the other bars, can you get friendly with a girl right there? Are the street hookers sometimes in the other bars? Like maybe they only come out onto the sidewalk when it is slow inside?

SJG

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jose guy imagine the whore boom in Cali cities under Mexican traditions and culture , Tijuana style all over

I have a serious question. Not everyone drinks, and not everyone wants to buy drinks for nothing. What if I don't drink and I don't want to pay for drinks for nothing? That means there's no reason for me to tip the waitress/bartender. Am I SOL, because I dont' want to get kicked out for not drinking even though I don't drink in the first place.

"I wish Mexico would take back California "

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The reason President Polk and his backers originally wanted the Mexican territory was for space to expand slavery into. They talked about this concept called the shrinking South. They were afraid that the price of slaves would start to drop if their system was penned up. It was also a matter of pride. They couldn't stand the idea that the rest of the country was decided that slavery could not be a part of the nations future.

It had actually been in 1837 that John C. Calhoun of South Carolina gave his "Slavery as a Positive Virtue" speech. Whereas most could see slavery as at best a necessary evil. Calhoun saw it otherwise. It was he in 1837 who first threatened secession. He would go on to say that he wanted it fixed so that every white man owned at least one negro slave, as this would eliminate the political opposition.

So as Mexico achieved it's independence from Spain they saw the Anglos coming in from Mississippi and Louisiana and setting up slave worked plantations. They wanted none of that. So they outlawed it. So then with US backing, Texas succeeded.

But the borders, especially the Southern border, had never been determined. That it would be the Rio Grande was the most extreme. Once in office President Polk sent troops to establish this as the border.

In City of Santa Clara there is a monument to the last Californios who fought to try and stop US domination.

They knew that US domination could mean loss of their land and slavery. In particular, if the Missouri Compromise line was extended to the Pacific Coast, then it would be the Southern portion of California, the most Latino portion, which was the slave territory. Latinos had zero experience with slavery and wanted none of it. They were also afraid that they would be enslaved.

Though John C. Calhoun died in March of 1850 and did not see California's September admission, he did lobby against it because by then California had an anti-slavery constitution. By this time he was saying that slavery was a 5th Amendment property right. He seemed to be trying to take it even further. He would always say, "I can hitch up my wagon, load up my slave, and no government has the right to stop me." The intellectual heir to Calhoun is usually seen to be Jefferson Davis.

Once Latinos were subdued at gunpoint, for California to vote for statehood, they had to be overwhelmed electorally by Anglos, lured here by brochures printed by real estate speculators, brochures which promised gold.

"jose guy imagine the whore boom in Cali cities under Mexican traditions and culture , Tijuana style all over "

:)

I've not been to those San Gabriel Valley strip clubs, or to Club Rio, or to the LA Hostess Dancing Clubs, but I will be. It does sound like a whore boom.

Here in San Jose in the Mexican bars it has been like that. Though San Jose has now closed over half of them down. I suspect it is still like that in Watsonville, Monterey, and Salinas. In Mexican culture it is all pretty cool. The prostitute is an archetype enshrined in their 1910 revolution. If you are nice to them, they are extremely nice to you. There is gentility to it.

@Estafador wrote, "Not everyone drinks"

Yes I agree. But I also know that most other countries do not restrict alcohol the way we do in the US. And those waiters are just trying to make ends meet. I am sure you can order soft drinks. This is the direction I would try and steer the girls.

But I for one would rather be spending my time with a girl who is not drinking. It will go nicer and the experience will be more worthwhile.

So this could be an argument in favor of the street hookers.

Has anyone here sessioned with them? Anyone seen one of their license cards? Are there places you can find them besides the sidewalk, where you might be able to engage in more preliminary friendliness?

@nemesisk7, thinking about what you say about the HK Bar Vip area. I think it is just one big area, which you must become a VIP member to get into. Then I assume that you don't need to go to the ground floor to find a girl, as they will be milling about amongst these VIPs.

In some ways that would be ideal for me, because though I'm not likely to want to do BBBJTCIM right there. That would be for after I've done a girl a couple of times. But that VIP room is probably where the girls are the most forward and the most extreme in their preliminary friendliness.

So except for the beer and all, I really like the sound of that place.

That video showing the girls at Mermaids, those girls are awesome. But MP's are not a place for preliminary friendliness. You have to pick one, or leave.

Any other places where the preliminary friendliness level can be extremely high, and then you can leave with a girl for toda la noche?

@lapdancelover23

You say you don't want a GFE.

Could any of these girls make you reconsider? sites.google.com

You pay for a hotel room close to the border, but on the US side. Could any of these girls persuade you to opt for the Mexican side instead? sites.google.com

You talk to the girls like they are pieces of dirt. Could any of these girls make you repent of your ways? sites.google.com

You live in LA and they live in TJ. But this does not mean that you are better than them or that you have any right to insult, degrade, or humiliate them.

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I remember this in the news back when it happened.

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lapdancelover, like any of these girls?

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has anyone EVER clicked one of SJG's links? We know he posts WALLS of text but after I actually saw him reply to my question, I was lenient and thought to read a bit more about what he rights. The link where he has a plethora of female pics, is one I'd reccomend

@sjg your link for the girls down with GFE, you actually know them and have done GFE with them, then I salute you sir. Except for the girl in the blue lingerie. She looks too European for me. I don't even like the white american looking girls and she looks like she doesn't even belong in Mexico. In any case, if GFE was provided with these women, I would definitely partake in that venture.

As some one who is down there non stop almost every week(3 times just this last week) take everything this lapdancelover guy said with a grain of salt. Yes you want to exercise some common sense and awareness but it isn't half as bad as he's making it out to be. I couldn't even make I thru the end of the post. The only thing that I caught at the end which is absolutely true is the tacos on the corner. I never leave before getting a few tacos.

Yes the Miami VIP is for the high rollers ,you can have multiple girls all over you one can her hands on your balls and the other will be giving you the blow job , tits on your face etc , the girls like to drink tequila so give them shots , then choose who you want to fuck

@nemesisk7, Thanks for the info. Yes, I like the idea of Miami VIP ( Hong Kong Bar ), as it sounds like the place where the girls go the furthest and are the most aggressive with front room friendliness. To me it has always seemed like the best of their girls are not really strippers, as they are older, and smarter too, and also innately beautiful. They are courtesans. Well off businessmen must be keeping them. I hope to become one of these. This is how I see some of them in their pictures. This is how it worked in David Stuart's books too. The ones with both brains and beauty were being kept.

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I'm not interested in being hands on with more than one girl at a time, but I still like the idea that most anything goes in the front room. I'm not interested in pouring alcohol into beautiful women, but I get your meaning that they are innately quite friendly and don't expect that much really. It costs money, but it doesn't have to be literally fee for service.

HK Bar have a roof top garden? Okay to take girls up there, quickie FS?

Ever session with the street hookers? Tropical Bar? Chicago Club? Ever do toda la noche or see a girl multiple times by telephone appointment?

@JBIZZ thanks for sharing your experiences. Glad it is not as bad as we were being led to believe. Common sense cautions are always appropriate. But unreasonable fear is not good. Nor is it ever good to be a shit with the women. Thanks for setting things straight. Things can get dangerous anywhere. The per capital homicide rates are not that much different between he US and Mexico. The border towns are rougher, on both sides of the border. Vicente Fox goes into this at length in his memoirs.

You ever session with the street hookers? Longer sessions? Toda la noche? Repeat visits by telephone appointment?

@Estafador, No I don't know those women, the pics are lifted off the web sites for the HK Bar and some of the other clubs and off the open net. Just register with their web sites and there are zillions of pics of awesome hotties. They will send you regular promo emails, but it is no big deal. I like to read their stuff.

I'm not in Mexico yet, but I will be, expanding a business. And for the women I get along with, they'll be doing paid lingerie photo modeling / GFE-MSOG sessions with me, as well as getting otherwise involved with my business doings and my associates.

Mexico and Mexicans are known for GFE. They certainly are in San Jose California. They aren't like Anglos. It just comes naturally for them. Unless there are strict club rules, they are kissing. And they are really good at it.

I cannot imagine anyone doing what lapdancelover does, insulting, degrading, and humiliating their women, and then paying for a motel room on the US side of the border, when instead one could approach them nicely and end up making out with them right there, and then spending the night wearing out a mattress with them in a Mexican hotel room.

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@nemisisk7 wrote, "...you can have multiple girls all over you one can her hands on your balls and the other will be giving you the blow job , tits on your face etc , the girls like to drink tequila so give them shots , then choose who you want to fuck"

Now I think I understand. They are so aggressive and so competitive that it is impractical to stop them from all getting on you at once.

Well, that will be a new experience for me. But I'll learn to go with it.

SJG

You mean this, Miami Room: hktijuana.com

Really, just pay the $60 VIP fee?

Probably I wouldn't want to pay for a private room beyond that, I'd just be checked into the hotel.

SJG

Actually, thinking more about it,

1. VIP room friendliness with one or more girls as it is hard to prevent, culminating in DFK/FIV session with one of them. Maybe they make you pay for the private room because otherwise other girls will continue climbing on you.

2. Private VIP room partial undress quickie FS with same girl. Maybe up in the roof top garden too.

3. Taking her to eat, so we don't need to leave room later.

4. Multiple rounds in hotel room, with Jacuzzi, showering, and napping time. Maybe BBBJTCIM and Anal too. Stay with her as long as practical and pump out as many loads as possible. I become the Show Donkey.

5. Hope to maintain contact with her and make subsequent visits outside of the Zona, and get her involved in my business affairs and with my people, doing paid lingerie modeling sessions and also on corporate payrole. I will have selected her carefully. Who better to have there on the ground than a smart and beautiful escort.

Lapdancelover is a new member. This thread is his first post. So he wasn't up on the sentiments and thinking of the audience.

I don't mean anything personal against you. Please do keep on posting. Even if some don't agree, your posts are still welcomed and valued.

SJG

@JBIZZ, Well if you read my article - I did say and I quote " this shit rarely happens now of days BUT - It can still happen if not careful"..

@San_Jose_Guy. Yes this was my 1st article and my article was towards the ones who DON'T want GFE.. All of the girls who work at Adelitas AREN'T from Tijuana. I know the manager very well - since I've been going there for over 15yrs now. I asked him where he gets the women from, and they are all from deeper in Mexico or South America. Aregentina, Chile, Uruguay, Ecuador. And the ones from Mexico are usually from El Districto Federal.

They're not there to make an honest living bro - they're there to make a quick hustle and gone!. You make it sound like I treat them like shit just because I want to negotiate prices down or give them some extra money to get more of what I want? How the fuck is that disrespectful? Disrespectful is going up to them, being rude as fuck, calling them whores and looking down on them. Just because I said I live in L.A doesn't mean I am better then them. Where did you get that from? And as far as the links you posted of girls that would make me change my mind about GFE? NO!!!! I don't want GFE with hookers, I don't want to kiss them in the mouth after they've sucked about 10 cocks that night before me. If I want a GFE - I'll go out on a date with girls down here. That's not the type of things I look for bro. You got all my article twisted. this is your quote on me

"I cannot imagine anyone doing what lapdancelover does, insulting, degrading, and humiliating their women, and then paying for a motel room on the US side of the border, when instead one could approach them nicely and end up making out with them right there, and then spending the night wearing out a mattress with them in a Mexican hotel room."

This has to be the most DUMBEST shit ever! Can someone PLEASE tell me where I insult, degrade and humiliate the women? PLEASE!!!! And why I stay at a Hotel right across the border, well if you read the article, I said why I do it. 1: I leave my car across the border so when I come back, I don't have to wait 2-3hrs in line to cross when WALKING across takes between 10-20min tops! And 2: So I don't have to drive 2 1/2hrs back to L.A real late after I had a few beers. I can just sleep it off for a few hours and come home early in the morning. San Jose Guy, I'm just noticing that you're the type of man that ALWAYS wants to be right, YOUR way is better and you know more than others. You've been on this site for 1yr and you STILL haven't posted a club review at all. All you do is respond and disagree with most. Can you be more of an internet troll?

Like I said, you want GFE, Go right ahead, but don't knock others who DON'T and try to make them look like if they're asshole just because and that's who you are! BTW, I see you want to put a business in Mexico? Just remember this, unless you're going to disagree with it, like always. Make sure you payoff either the Cartel or the Government because you won't be able to make money without paying either of them off for the safety of your business. That's how Mexico works with business You think HK and Adelitas are operating free? Guess again.

Yes, I had surmised that in these main clubs with their own hotels, that the girls would not be locals. I figured that they would be coming from some place else and that they would have family elsewhere. They can come for a 2 or 3 weeks stint, and they probably don't go outside at all. Maybe on the roof top sometimes? Can you go onto the roofs of these places? When they need to eat or sleep, they can do it with customers. Better for the customers. But not better if the girl wants to have a family life.

I speculate that the day time street hookers might do things the way they do, because they want to keep regular hours, and so they are locals.

Anyone here ever session with them?

I know that the girls just want to make money, and the faster the better. But this doesn't mean that they are hardened tool steel to the core. If you treat them nice, they can treat you nice.

Anyone here ever spend time talking with any of them? Exchange contact information with them? See them a second time by appointment?

Here is a guy who seems to have spent time getting very personal with a Zona Girl:

According to guitarist Chris Iorio, the album cover is an interpretation of when Rick DeJesus met a young woman who worked in a brothel, when he went to Tijuana, Mexico - "Rick met the girl and she poured her heart out to him and it really touched him...people’s lives can be so tough – we’re in a recession, North Korea is talking about going to war with us, Mexico just had the swine flu and the album cover is an interpretation of times in our lives when things might look bad but knowing that you can always overcome your biggest obstacles."[

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with AMP girls, Strippers, Beloved Latina Escorts, and Street Hookers, in my experience none of them are completely case hardened. They are just like anyone else. And most definitely most of them definitely do try to engage in honest business. They are only completely opaque with people who treat them as something less than other women.

There are ways to negotiate price respectfully, but this has to be after the girl asks for money. Just asking her how much money for sex is extremely disrespectful. That completely colors all your future interactions with her. Absolutely no reason to do it that way unless you want to degrade her and that is the reason you are there.

You write, "NO!!!! I don't want GFE with hookers, I don't want to kiss them in the mouth after they've sucked about 10 cocks that night before me. "

Well if this is how you feel about them, why not just leave them alone and confine yourself to girls you see in a better light?

Just nutting is really worth all that much money, time and hassle? That is very strange.

You there staying in your hotel right on the US side of the border, and when you could have taken San Diego's Blue Line Trolley and then stayed on the Mexican side.

You know where I'll be and what I'll be doing: sites.google.com

I don't know of maquiladoras are paying people off. There will be collaboration with the government, so that might be enough. But initially it will just be collaboration with Mexican academics and industrialists. TJ is a beautiful and colorful creative place. Lots of ways to engage. But I know I will have much to learn too and that I will need people on the ground who will help. I know where I will find some of these people too: sites.google.com

Negotiating a girl from $60 to $50 and then telling her, I've got $100 and I want BBBJ and anal, otherwise I leave. And then reminding her that she hasn't had any action in 2 hours.

I think you like going to TJ's Zona Norte because you want to pay money to insult and humiliate their women.

Okay, lapdance23, here is a guy who had a bad time in TJ, kinda like the stuff you're talking about. Any comments? tuscl.net

And also, Nemesisk7, the above guy said he couldn't find any girls he liked in Dulce Gabanna? Is this likely? My reaction, having already checked into their hotel, would be just to wait. Either more would appear, or they would just start to grow on me once I interacted with them some.

And thanks for the recommendation on that Miami VIP room in the HK Bar.

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lapdancelover23,

Welcome to Tuscl. I would guess that about 25% of the posters see things the way you do.

But it used to be no one else was willing to express an alternate view, because of the heavy trolling. So that 25% was able to control the content of all the discussions.

Now this does seem to be changing. There are some of us who don't take an adversarial position with the girls and want it to be as good with them as possible, and who always want to make it into GFE, or we wouldn't be engaging with them.

Join in on the main discussions and you will see.

SJG

@lapdancelover23,

That is interesting that you've going to Adelita's for 15 years. Common sense precautions are always appropriate. But maybe it was less civilized 15 years ago then it is now.

Have you tried out the other bars or the street girls? The place we get the most detailed information about is the Hong Kong Bar. Have you ever tried it out, and would you be willing to tell us about similarities and differences with Adelita's?

I'll show you here some of the characterizing material we get about the Hong Kong Bar,

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And then Nemesisk7 told us about he Miami VIP Room:

"Miami VIP room where can take multiple girls there and get a blow job with cum in mouth"

"Yes the Miami VIP is for the high rollers ,you can have multiple girls all over you one can her hands on your balls and the other will be giving you the blow job , tits on your face etc , the girls like to drink tequila so give them shots , then choose who you want to fuck"

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I mean, look at those sofas, and with an aggressive GFE girl on top of you face to face! And then after a first round and maybe some food to make sure she is feed, and then retreating to the hotel room.

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And look at the art work, in the VIP room and in the hotel. It's a pussy temple, heavenly paradise right here on earth.

It also looks like it is pitched at international sex tourists, which I am not. But these guys come there and are not interested in the local culture or even in adapting to local time. So you go in there and everything you could want it there. They're probably rather well off to start with, but they also are not intending to do this very often. So they're ready to spend money. But the down side is that the girls can't come out, and it would probably be difficult to ever set up any kind of outside contact with them, as they don't live locally and they basically work around the clock.

Is Adelita's the same? Or is it different, and how so?

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I wish I had about 12 free hours to walk through all this. We like something between the half hour for 60.00 and a GFE. We want a GFE for about two hours and about 100 dollars covers that And there are two of us. Go during the week, pay about 85.00 for a room, the nice rooms rise drastically pricewise on the weekends, and then depending on what bar you go to take a girl longer than just to pop your nut (and avoid the damn knock on the door) Also when you stay over night they do not charge you for a 3rd person. Oh, we go as two people and bring in a girl, making it three that always costs more on a 4 hour room, so may not apply to you. Yes, the nice rooms are as nice as pictured. Use the hot tub, use the shower and always ask for extra towels.

I had noticed that you just posted a bunch of reviews for Mexican establishments, including the HK Bar.

Where have you found it nice to stay overnight in Tijuana? Hong Kong Bar's Cascadas Hotel?

If you don't mind my asking, how much money did you pay the girl to spend the night with you, and does it depend on how late at night you invite her? And did she want room service food to keep her happy and fed?

Have you ever tried out the TJ street hookers? Over nighters with them?

Usually the best way to tell if the girl will be GFE, and the best way to get her in the mood for GFE, is to court her some and get GFE with her in the front room. Make sense?

So the HK Bar has a reputation for this. How about the other places and how about the street girls?

Thanks for sharing your experiences.

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SJG, are you asking me?

Yes! I'm asking you FullPress.

Your experiences with 2 hours, 4 hours, and overnight will be most valued.

Do you find it best to get the girl already in GFE mode before deciding on the session with her? Civilianize it, get to know her, come on to her some, and establish that kind of rapport before talking about the session?

This is how I see it, and as this can be done in AMPs, it is always best.

Thanks, SJG

Well we have not done any overnights, except the girl from an SC who fell asleep in the hotel room. That review i think is under a club called Manhattan in Chetumal Mexic, but we always offer food and drinks. Everyone wants drinks, a few have wanted food (the one who fell asleep for sure wanted pizza) One of the reasons we don't do US strip clubs is that we don't have time to sit around and find someone who is into a couple, and then woo the hell out of her with a stack of cash. So in good ole Mex we can find someone (anywhere except Hong Kong it seems), strike up a pretty fast conversation and see if there is any chemistry and get to the room quickly for about two hours for about 100 dollars. Really if there is just a spark of chemistry we have come to the point that if we agree on her we're just going for it. Still, Sometimes we don't know how it's going to go until we actually get there. I think as I guy, you can figure out quickly what can go down without getting really specific.

I am not at all interested in striking up or starting any sort of relationship with anyone. Although we have a favorite we completely lucked into using the mexican version of craigs list and we plan to see her a 2nd time. There is one other girl in Tijuana we would see a 2nd time. Both are full on bi and really sensual ladies, and interesting too.

With us being a couple, It's not as simple as being a single guy. Girls are all over you men giving you GFE and more right in the club. She still might be really unsure of where I, the wife, stand in the whole process until we are in the room. so we now have decided to resort to detailed sex "talk" ahead of time,which is not really optimal, but unless the girl is straight up BI I can get left out of the mix a little. that pisses me off. I don't get mad at mr press, he makes it clear what's happening, and he's very charming and handsome and I don't get mad at the girl because I dont want to be one of those a-holes who forces someone to do something they are not into. I can be really happy with a lot of kissing and touching if that's all she wants to do with a woman, but if she's not into kissing (as our awful escort we saw last trip was not, despite promising a GFE and a whole lot more in her ad, even mr. P got next to nothing) then it's a big WTF moment for me and we've only had two of those. Knocks on wood.

Street girls? Mr P hasnt been with one in years, we approached one this trip (see HK review) and she really was not my type at all, and luckily as a chick I was not her type either, so no harm there. Back when, it wasnt really a lot of romance for him. No clue of that's changed. I am pretty put off by some of the rooms they are working out of. We get a nice room at Rizo de Oro or Cascadas, but prefer rizo, it's quieter. Always get a jacuzzi room, always warm up in the jacuzzi, get some chemistry going before heading to the bed for an hour and a half of a hell of a lot of fun. I have a bit more to tell when I get my clubs straightened out from our last trip. And where the heck do I put that escort story? I'm not going to out her by name, but damn, what a let down. We also paid the most for her time about 120 dollars for what should have been two hours. and she was an hour and a half late. we really should have held back cash as the whole thing was just a joke, but i finally understood the male analogy of 'you dont pay them for sex, you pay them to leave' so it was a small price to pay to learn a lesson. Plus we both came she just didnt have much to do with it.

"You wrote, "Girls are all over you men giving you GFE and more right in the club." And you wrote about straight up sex talk not being the best way.

See that is one of my major points. What lapdancelover123 started this thread with is just wrong. He is treating the women like they are dirt, and for no reason. But in general, front room GFE is infinitely better than trying to negotiate GFE with her.

So yes, I agree, just courting the girl some and then coming on to her some, and letting GFE start right there in the club where you met her is, I feel, the best way. Mexico and the US, no difference. It is just that Mexico has got to be better, and the HK Bar has an awesome rep for that. Sound like the girls don't really give a guy much choice about it either. :)

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But how about the other TJ Clubs, GFE starting right there where you meet her?

And then with the street girls, is there a way to do this? Take them inside somewhere before going to the hotel room?

Are they sometimes indoors themselves, only coming out onto the sidewalk when it is too slow inside?

You see my point here, because though the HK Bar is intended to be heavenly paradise here on earth, the down side is that it will be harder to set up follow on outside sessions with the girls.

I know things will be completely different for a couple. And so I doubly commend you for posting here and sharing your experiences.

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I am going to need some time, like maybe a weekend to get through all of those, but I will try. I completely agree, we never ever go for the piece of meat approach, ever. Every girl is different, some are coy some are blatant and we've had fun with both. The full on crazy ones who come on to me are almost without exception, exceptionally fun! and I plan to write about the straight up crazy one we met down the coast, with a TON OF GFE time ITC and the incredibly poised, sweet girl with little GFE but good chemistry ITC we met later in TJ The one thing I can attest to, outside of our terrible escort, every single girl has been completey into sex, nothing mechanical. What might start off slow gets great over the course of a two hour stretch. I cannot imagine a 30 minute time limit. That's when it's going to get mechanical, I think. The street girls are I think, always outside, not here and there--everywhere. You have to strike up the convo on the street. I have to defer to others on this because I have not had an experience yet and I think they are all pretty tied to wherever they are working 'from", i dont think you can take them anywhere else but I could be wrong. It's not like amsterdam where there are windows they are working from, they are literally on the sidewalk leaning against the walls, checking out either you or the cell phone. I will try to play some catch up on your threads. When you say "outside' sessions, do you mean when she is totally off the clock? The thing about HK is that it's a bit of a grind and a lot of the girls dont have a lot of down time. But there is no exit fee from Hong Kong and I think Adelitas, depending on what hotel you are using. Others can have an exit fee. That can be a drag. 60 bucks to the club because they tell you that's how much a girl will bring in an hour in "fichas" . I highly doubt that, but that's their rule.

By outside time, I mean seeing her outside and probably P4P.

I agree with you that TJ comes across as grind, meaning that the girls can work non-stop. So seeing them outside of the Zona would be harder. And I think the HK Bar girls would be the hardest. And then seeing them off of the clock would be even more difficult.

They say Mexicali is more 'personal', which I take to mean more extended and overnight sessions.

Really, no exit fee for HK Bar? You can just ask her to leave with you and pay her price?

People have posted that they can't leave at all.

You see what I mean though, the lower key bars and the street girls could be better if one wants to be seeing a girl regularly and be doing more long sessions with her. She is more of a free agent. People have written that the street girls usually are quite okay about overnighters, but it is just that you have to approach them maybe 4am. I don't like the idea of approaching a girl on the street at that time.

But as far as getting GFE with them right straight off, there should be some way to do this, like inviting her and paying her to let you take her to lunch.

At the lesser prominent bars, are the girls climbing on guys and getting GFE right there?

Is that possible with the street girls out on the side walk? Must be some other way if the bar girls are doing that, that it is possible with the street girls. I think you could invite her to some place like a restaurant or a bar very close, offer her lunch. Pay her the session fee, but just for lunch.

Yes, finding a girl who is really into GFE and who just seems to like you on top of that, is the only way to go.

Dr. F.'s Girl by Girl Account of the HK Bar tuscl.net

You talk about fichas, the tokens the girl gets when a customer buys a drink. I read somewhere that if you give a girl fichas, then that means that she really belongs to you. I don't understand what they mean. Is it some other use of the word fichas?

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My experience has always been that in P4P situations when the girl can see that they guy is treating her like a civilian and trying to come on to her, then she will shift gears and go into a more civilian mode and just let him lead it. She likes it better that way. She respects the fact that he is making the effort and is not chicken of possible rejection. She still expects to get paid, but she will just let the guy do it his way and just go with it and really enjoy every moment of it.

In a situation like the HK bar where some of them are getting into aggressive DFKing right off, I know from other experiences how to handle that. It actually makes it easier. Just let her do it her way and don't resist. Instead, let the intensity build and start prolonging it, and eventually you the guy will be leading it and it will be phenomenal.

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so anyone else on how the sober gentleman should be in the club? don't want to be burned because I don't want a drink from the waiter.

Just buy a water or a soda in the club. You get one or two beers at the door when they are charging a 10 dollar cover, I can't remember, I think it's one. You can exchange them at the bar for something non alcoholic, no discount. The drinks after that, no pressure to go alcoholic. I can't remember if they are 3 bucks or 4 bucks but they are not a complete rip off. You can't take your own water in. When you buy a dancer a drink though that is always alcoholic for her and I think about eight dollars.

Sorry, that's for HK, but the others are much the same. We got a lot during the day and really don't want to start drinking early.

Dr. F. said that in the HK Bar the girl drinks were $8. But I am sure that if the girl wants to, she can somehow evade the alcohol. I would encourage that. I would also encourage her to just accept my cash, instead of a drink. Not sure if they can do that. I would rather spend my time GFEing and doing lots of talking with a girl not under the influence, and with a girl who wants to be sober with me, and who doesn't need alcohol to function.

But again, this could be seen as another encouragement to look to the street girls. They are the ones who are the most free in how they conduct themselves. Less likely to have a drinking problem. Does anyone here have experience with them?

How GFE can it get right in the seating areas, in the other bars besides the HK?

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@ fullpress are a white couple ?

Girls in HK and in all the other clubs if you notice get more comfortable GFE with those who speak Spanish fluently and don't look like tourists

In our experience every girl wants a beer. they are small bottles. We have not been able to pull it off in HK but in many other bars we can slip 5 bucks to the dancer (which is more than she will make from the fiche) under the table, to stay. So you can get a GFE but it's going to cost you because you are paying for the drinks. If the girl is not into you she will guzzle that thing to get away from you. The nice ones will make one beer last much longer.

FullPress and nemesisk7, the things both of you are saying make a great deal of sense.

My Spanish might not be fluent, but I'll still know how to say what I need to and I'll have credentials to back up my story, that I am setting up a business in the TJ area and so I'll be there regularly, and so I'm in town for biz. But I'm in the Zona because "I like beautiful women." And what I'm looking for is to "make some friends", and then eventually about how I want to be seeing her regularly.

So there will be lots of hours spent with her, getting fluent in Spanish.

I am convinced that front room GFE is the key to making any back room sessions extremely good. This applies to all such places. It is just that most places are set up to prevent this, and most guys don't seem to understand it.

I'll always be trying to steer the girls to cash or soft drinks instead of alcohol.

But this does not mean that I'll be there just to kiss pretty girls, or to pay for that with beer or cash. I'll pick the girl myself, and if I kiss her then she is already a candidate for spending lots of time with me and becoming involved in my business affairs and with my other associates.

I believe that it is in that Miami VIP room that they girls will be the most eager to engage in front room GFE, and even more than this.

But from what Dr. F. posts, it sounds like some of the girls are going almost too far, bordering on being forceful in getting the DFK going.

That's okay if they want it that way. But to make it nicer one has to let them mellow out. I actually have some experience with this from decades ago, manning the kissing booth at a Renaissance Pleasure Faire. The girls pay their $1 and take their try with a slingshot firing a wet sponge. It looks like a game of skill. But it is rigged so that no one loses. So what the game actually is, is that it converts inhibitions into extreme aggression. Most of the girl customers were way too aggressive.

And I have to admit that I was not very good at dealing with that. But eventually I learned that the only way is just to let them do what they are going to do. Let them do it their way. As they feel that you are not resisting, but are surrendering completely, they mellow out and eventually let you the guy lead it.

I know that in the most extreme US strip clubs, Black and Mixed most extreme, the girl will just sit on your lap and start nibbling on your ear and licking your neck. This may be a black style, but the others who work in those clubs do it the same way. So really she is daring the guy to kiss her on the mouth, but she is not actually making that happen herself. So a few flattering words and letting her know me a little, and then I would go for it. But it would be tender, not forceful at all.

Unfortunately we don't have such clubs where I live.

To make GFE go with a stranger does take skill and sensitivity. This is so in a typical 60min Escort or AAMP session, usually DFK and 2x FS.

But to make it go for much longer, like 2hrs, 4hrs, toda la noche, and then with more waking time in the Jacuzzi, takes real skill. The people have to be willing to get to know each other. Of course alcohol will not help at all.

I think back to decades ago a civilian date I had where we ended up in my apartment, getting not one minute of sleep. Then she had a house sitting and dog walking gig which started the next morning. So I took her there and ended up staying with her. It was an extreme luxury house with a special room for a huge bathtub.

That TJ has the Jacuzzi rooms is great. But one has to bring a great deal of skill and sensitivity to such an encounter, and of course this starts with the front room GFE and getting both people opened up to each other, before going to the hotel room.

I learned long ago in San Francisco, I saw a really cute black girl walking quickly. I thought she was an office worker on her lunch hour. I thought I might try and ask her to lunch. So laying back and with lots of people on the sidewalks, I tailed her.

I was wrong, she ducked into the New Century.

So I had to wait about 90min. But eventually her set came. She finished it open tongue kissing with another girl.

Now they always put that in porno movies and I would just fast forward past it. But I know that it is a display of female power.

So next she was on my lap. I couldn't help but tell her how much of turn on watching that was. She chimed right in about how much she was enjoying it.

Wow! It really changed my world view completely that there are people who can be that open and intimate with someone they've known only 10 seconds, and for just a little bit of money too.

So yes, GFE is what it is all about, and it does take skill and sensitivity, and those who are good at it should be respected.

FullPress, When you go to places like TJ, do you check into the hotel first, or do you hook up with your escort girl first? Do you have the girl there with you are you are checking in?

If you try to make it happen with the girl too early, she might not want the real long or overnight session. Also, if you check into the hotel and can't set it up with a girl, it might be a waste.

But if you wait to long to check in, you might be out of luck.

Nemesisk7, Does the HK Bar have a roof top garden you can use? Or maybe it is only for the Penthouse extremely expensive rooms? I've seen it in some of their gallery pictures. And if the girls go two or three weeks never coming outside, then they need that.

Is the front room GFE as good in the other TJ places, like Las Chevalas, Tropical, Chicago Club, and Dulce Gabana?

How about preliminary GFE with the street hookers? Not that easy out on the sidewalk, but not necessarily impossible either. Could you just take a girl into one of the no cover bars, like Tropical, and maybe buy her some food and a soft drink, and get to know her and get very GFE with her, feeding her money too of course, and with her knowing that this is the prelude to a long session? Like maybe in their Jacuzzi rooms.

Anyone know anything about this Purple Rain Bar in TJ? youtube.com

Does it have a new name now?

In Mexico they like the masks. I do too, as a variation. To me it to suggests real nice and naughty GFE. Naughty because it is anonymous.

That they have the Jacuzzi's also suggests long encounters, which suggests tender, sensitive, and expert GFE.

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he is a serial bed wetter.

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i would like to take this opportunity on behalf of all TUSCL members to publically apologize to you for san_jose_guy shitting all over your thread with his idiotic comments.

he is a serial bed wetter.

@lapdancerlover23

i would like to take this opportunity on behalf of all TUSCL members to publically apologize to you for san_jose_guy shitting all over your thread with his idiotic comments.

he is a serial bed wetter.

@lapdancerlover23

i would like to take this opportunity on behalf of all TUSCL members to publically apologize to you for san_jose_guy shitting all over your thread with his idiotic comments.

he is a serial bed wetter.

@lapdancerlover23

i would like to take this opportunity on behalf of all TUSCL members to publically apologize to you for san_jose_guy shitting all over your thread with his idiotic comments.

he is a serial bed wetter.

Sjg extended GFE in the manner your looking for is probably more likely at Chevalas or adilitas. The. Sound, lights and often frantic pace of the front room at HK can make your kind of GFE hard to PUT into practice. We get a jacuzzi room for US and if we get a 3rd person in there. Good for us, this is where we get our real GFE going. We start there and if she's not clock watching. We end there. If we are just passing through we will find a girl and then get the 4 hour room. Might take all of 20 minutes. You should just get to it. No regrets

So I take it then that you rent the Jacuzzi room first, before finding the girl. I think it is okay to bring one outside girl in, instead of an inside girl, at no extra charge.

4 hours would be really nice! You say if she is not clock watching, then we end there. Do you mean it turns into an overnighter? The girl is nice and relaxed and you get her tired out.

You have food and drink? Bought right before you check in? Of what sort? Ice chest?

I suspect things can go quite far in the HK Bar's VIP room, on those big deep couches. Not sure how they do things in Adelitas, as more people talk about the HK Bar. Chevalas actually has a dance floor. I don't know anything about the Chicago Club or the lesser prominent places, or the ones outside the Zona that Nemesisk7 mentioned.

You understand my interest in front room GFE, as that is what sets the tone for the rest of the encounter, and for subsequent meetings as well. As far as I can tell, this is the universal issue.

I'll be in Mexico, it is part of a business plan. I'm not interested in sex tourism.

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Female's drinks for $8 a pop? Holy shit, now I would NOT mind buying these chicks a drink. Hell, I'd probably do it all damn night. we need to bring HK to the good ol' US because our strip clubs are lacking in comparison

Tiburon, you got it! Front room GFE is the key to everything! $8 a drink, whatever.

We need to create our own HK bar's right here in the US. The reason we don't have them now is not the economics and not the law, it is because the people think differently here, because their heads are full of shit.

So here is my thread to discuss how we create such places here in the US. Please jump right in!

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I also encourage you to jump in on Toomuchcover's thread Toomuchcover's thread tuscl.net

And again I am blown away by FullPress, talking about the 2 and 4 hour GFE's, and for understanding the male situation, 'you dont pay them for sex, you pay them to leave' .

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