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7 years ago
@RickDugan, sorry I thought things posted were factual. Note the smiling faces. It was a joke, but it was in fact posted.
Thanks for pointing that out as "Troll Nonsense" Rick. Appears you're liked by many
I don't assume anything when booking and check all rates carefully, everyone considering going to a country you'e never been to, I recommend you do the same. Find out the actual cost not just the cheap leaders
When booking via online websites make sure you click thru to where you to enter your credit car (like hotel rooms) much of the time they add taxes at the last minute which means prices are actually higher. Priceline is famous for that. You see a cheap room but when actually booking they tack on taxes and fees.
Some car rental companies in Germany offer cheap rates but when you arrive you find out you have to buy their expensive (per day) insurance and it's mandatory. Google "Overseas car insurance a minefield for travelers"
April by the way IS NOT a cheap time to travel. Don't forget when prices are quoted in Euros you're going to be paying about 20% more because your dollars are worth less.
I think it's best people take everything written on the internet with a grain of salt as they do. Do your own research, get the exact price, never assume as so many people do.
I like to get my advice from people who have actually been to a place or at least speak the language.
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7 years ago
Excuse me Rick? This would'nt be you would it?
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mamisan
San Fransico
RICK DUGAN IS GAY
9 HOURS AGO
1 HOUR AGO
Mamisan have Dougster pathetic loser as customer today and he want me tell you all remind Rick Dugan is gay he no want yanky wanky from Asian massage worker unless they ladyboy.
Dougster tell me tell you he okay currently getting in fight over bitcoin over on Reddit.
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I think you're right you're not material to be with a group, plus your math don't add up :) being silly here. Again assuming things and having never been somewhere some people need to give this some thought. I have heard the FKK clubs have a lady boy now and then so you may be in luck. :)
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7 years ago
Women guests that is
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7 years ago
lopaw "I'm gonna ask londonguy to be my travel guide/monger buddy when I am ready to bust my FKK cherry :)" Lopaw are you female?
If yes " women not allowed at Sharks FKK as well as several others unless you got connections" Good luck
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7 years ago
Camaraderie is the warm feelings of friendship, closeness and loyalty shared among a group of people or a team of people. Camaraderie is a relatively new English word, added in 1840. It comes from the French word, camaraderie, meaning a convivial feeling among comrades. (Not meant that you get too warm and friendly but you get the idea).
Is one of the biggest advantages of taking a tour. FInding friends on the internet is like a box of chocolate, then you're stuck with them. But with the tour you have several to choose from or don't choose at all and be the loner of the bunch. You have options.
I've made a bunch of friends on tour who I communicate with on a regular basis after the trip. We plan and make sure we attend the same tours each year. There's even options to form your own tour with fkktour, pick your clubs, destination or country as well as agend what I want to see with the benefit of a guide to do all the driving, planning and support.
Once had a guy who got sick during the trip so the guide was his support to get to an ER, tranlate (No most people did not speak German at the hospital, it's not a common tourist stop). Took him to get meds and then to the hotel. Now that's serivice. There was another occasion the guide had Anti-biotics for a guy who came down with something, thank god for that. The guide has access to text message directly with several ER doctors and nurses to ask questions and get info. I think some are customers.
Watching the women at the clubs is one of the best things about the FKK Club scene the other is watching the odd balls and newbies who make fools of themselves of which there are plenty. Sadly the internet while it has helped many of us to find other venues it's also attracted the odd balls and weirdos. Even the women will point them out. Remember ther guys who don't have the looks or are just plain strange need love too so the clubs attract them in herds. The walking dead as I call one of them, it's more of a circus at the bigger clubs near the city centers because they're easier to find although not always the best clubs. "Tourist traps". Just because a club is printed on the side of a cab does not mean it's worthy. (The fat old sex travelers don't stand out as much).
Then there are "Sea Monsters" as I learned the terms, the women to watch out for, usually very aggressive but known by the guide to be rip offs or problems. "Land mines". They're not all unattractive either. One thing I noticed in this hobby is the more attractive women usually offer less in terms of service because they don't have to. They get business on looks alone. Thus as the Tucson Guy stated older and less than a 10 women often offer better service because they have to to survive.
Fact is Taxi's make a commission from most of the clubs so they take you or try and convince you to go where they get the biggest kick back. Don't believe me just watch as a new guest gets dropped off and wait, once he pays his entry the taxi driver will come in and hand over his invoice and be given a cash reward. What's it matter? Nothing really because you usually don't pay more. The pitfall is did he take you to a good club?
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7 years ago
"I sort of doubt "upper end professionals" would be happy in the kind of accommodations you're talking about."
Actually I ASSUMED the same, however as stated people are offered the option to upgrade from clean and basic to luxory. The result was after upgrading to a 4-5 star top of the line hotel for an upgrade fee even guys with millions at their disposal opted to go back to the basic. I found this out from talking to some of the other guests.
Rich people don't always want to spend needlessly. The fact is you spend very little time in the room. Are you going to travel 10,000 miles and spend several thousands of dollars to get to Germany to spend most of your time in a room?
I look at it this way, 90% of the time at the hotel I was sleeping, they have free Wifi so the other hour I was in the shower, shiter and checking email etc. Ok for the fat old guys (we all joke about) who only bang once a day and have no interest in watching totally naked women all day I can understand (no I can't :)) prefering a book or a movie after sex. Assuming again :) but the point was it's a waste, the group had this discussion before and voted it out.
However at the onset of this thread a few guys stated something like: "it's not worth it" so this is sort of a odd comment to make now if one is counting your pennies.
REALITY: Your first day on tour you go straight to a club, there you shower, get freshened up, eat, drink and knock off that first blow job. I've found going to the hotel first you pass out and miss a day only to repeat the jet lag the next day. Remember each day counts as another cost) You get back to the hotel around 10-11pm and you pass out. Wake around 8am, usually due to time difference you wake up earlier anyway. Have some coffee and a snack and off to another club. So where's the point to pay for a five star hotel room when a basic one works fine? Just my two cents.
Again there are those who demand to go in blind with no experience but what they read on the internet. Others go to the Harvard school of FKK and get a week of info direct from guys who get their info first hand from management and staff plus decades of expereince who speak the language fluently.
Sort if like the guy who learns a business by trial and error on his own and the guy who goes to a specialized school and learns from experts with hands on experience.
"I know how to pay a prostitue myself" well this is bit different. Yes there are set rates (50e per 30 minutes) however there are pittfalls. Not all the women are honest and some take advantage of obvious newbies. I got mentored and shown the ropes to ensure everything went smoothly and even my first session was a great one. Many blow a few hundred euros on trial and error. There are key things to ask and tactics involved. Just like strip clubs you get burned a few times till you figure it out or someone shows you. This way it's explained before you get started. Women will pull stunts on guys that you can be guaranteed. Add those mistakes to your costs.
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7 years ago
What's interesting is how much money some of these women make. Whether that income goes to someone else or not is unknown. From a few years of taking part of the FKK club scene I've met my share of women who are very well off and who live a good life, have several horses, expensive pets, travel all the time to exotic places, own homes, apartment buildings, businesses etc. They invest their income well and many have higher levels of education. The fact is many of the nicer cars in the parking lot at the clubs belong to the working women. Some have Harleys, BMW's and Mercedes Benz. I was introduced by a guide to lifetime working woman who owns a nice home, relationship and normal life outside the clubs. Goes on vacation serveral times a year. My point is the business provides a better life for some women not like women that end up working as cleaning staff at hotels or higher end residences cleaning toilets.
I'm sure trafficing takes place as it does everywhere and pimps do exist. However from actually meeting so many of these women it appears the business helps more people than it harms. The other thing I noticed was common reason so many get involved. They get knocked up and the man splits leaving them to raise a child alone. No longer saving themselves for true love or marriage they use sex to make a living to support that child, an activity that got them into this financial mess. So many have children which are their motive for working so hard. Having clubs offers everyone involved some protection and safety being in a legal facility. Staff profits from the upkeep as well as the big earners the women.
Are the girls working in FKKs pure German Blond , White , Blue eyes ???
NO, most are not. However you still can find the German blond. Romania has taken over as the new work force in the EU. It's obvious when you visit a club. I was told a decade ago things were a bit different and there were more blond blue eyed women from Germany, Russia and Poland. However that being said there are many Light eyed Romanian women at the clubs some with blue eyes as the result of Romania being invaded over the centuries by so many countries so a Romanian look can be very diverse.
I was once told the problem is not Romanians but "finding the good women among them". Which is true, while many don't offer great service there are some which do. But then that's anywhere this business takes place. There are clubs which management limits the nationalities which can work there. They want customers to have a diversity thus you notice the groups of Pols, Germans Moldovians and Romanians which due to language often group together. "The Most common nationality today is in fact Romanian which often includes Moldovian"
The recent German law changes also included law to make it harder for pimps and criminals to own clubs. Women now have options by which there are support groups and phone numbers to call when approached by pimps or forced to do something they don't freely want to do. So Germany is making an effort to support the women.
While some say the women pay the same price to work at the clubs as men this is not always true. Some women are responsibile for room and board plus taxes which was about 21 euros a day. Lets not forget on days when the customer pays a reduced rate for say Happy hour or discount day the women still pay the normal "Higher rate" so take that into consideration when sharing info.
Hey I did the Mexico border thing for years before I found Germany, its's not bad and I had some great times, the clubs in TJ were nice (nothing compared to Germany) when I was doing it. The escort scene was even better and closer to the Germany experience (with the women not being so attractive as Germany or diverse).
I also did Nevada for years back in the day (A joke to many) because the cost per what you get is not usually worth the effort. If you look into the new age discount airlines like Wow-air etc. I think the Tour website has a page on this you can find much lower airfares.
The airfare is a deciding factor for many because when I figure my pussy per dollar cost that figures in. Like Thailand where it's supposed to be cheaper you deal with high airfares and the worse jet lag on the planet. OK enoguh babbling hope this answered your questions. thanks for listening
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7 years ago
Oh and part of it is also stops at sight seeing the major stuff and stuff not known to local tourists, with the guides endless decades of experience we have him take us to roadside pay sex stuff, pick up bars along the autobahn, red light districts which are all over if you know where they are and some odd ball stuff. Mornings the guide makes it a point to show the guys the locals bakeries for coffee and stuff. They also do souvenir stops and have an in with a stein factory. So you won't just see clubs.
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7 years ago
I'll try and answer as asked in that order
First off, the group is in no way a bunch of fat old sex travelers, the are mainly upper end business men and professionals, after all who else has the cash to go with a upgraded group, the fat slopes go alone as you can see their the loners you don't want to associate with if that makes sense, plus the weirder they are the more alone they are. OK Don't ya hate it when people ASSUME?
Thanks for posting this, I didnt even realize such a service was offered. $200 a day included the hotel room too? How would you rate the hotel? Super 8, Hampton Inn, Marriott or Renaissance? Basic hotel, modern clean, free wifi AC more towards Red Roof
How many guys were in your group and of that how many were Americans/Canadians?
Almost all American and some Canadians, few Japaneses, some Asians but as stated most are executives an professionals
depending on the month I've gone from 3 to 8 guys with average 5
How many clubs would you visit a day?
They hit one club and have a second back up club if that club guys can't find what they like
How many days did you stay?
I did 6 to start but now do 8-10
Do you wish you would have stayed longer or was the amount you stayed enough?
Takes one day to adjust but the time flies so 6 days is barely enough I would minimum 8 days to get to enjoy it without rushing
Which was your favorite club?
All of them Sharks but it's almost too commercial with lots of operators. I don't want to say my favorite because every TOM, DICK and HARRY with fuck it up for me, sorry. Don't want all those "fat middle aged men looking for love from sex workers" some guys are so worried about screwing up a good thing
Other than the women, what was your favorite feature of one of the clubs?
Safe, decent cost 50e 30 minutes DFK, the food, when you automatically get introduced to all the women by your company your part of a party, it's amazing the way it works
Finally please don't assume something especially if you've never been. I agree some people are better off going alone and you see guys like that wandering around the club. We feel the same we don't want to be associated with some of the fat middle aged men looking for love from sex workers, who do stand out like a sore thumb
Oh and the group travels in unmarked vehicles and does not stand out. The website has photos of the actual girls and interiors of the clubs
COST
Entry ranges from 35 -70 Euros depending on the club
usually high roller guys I met do several hours 100e an hour they get upscale service for doing so
As a normal thin in my 50's average looking guy I look for 2 quality sessions a day and prefer more time than more pops
so I spend 100-150 a session. so 250 - 350 is the average I spend a day
While the law changed your guide will show you how to avoid the Cbj at all the clubs so bbbj is standard
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7 years ago
Your question about costs can be found at http://fkktour.com/cost/
Actual customers Perpective http://fkktour.com/customers-perspective/
What kind of women you'll find and actual photos of them http://fkktour.com/women/
Special offers and discounts on trips http://fkktour.com/offers/
Videos on the inside of the clubs with girls http://fkktour.com/clubs/
Trip Planning http://fkktour.com/plan/
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7 years ago
You may want to try FKKTOUR.com they've been in business for over twenty years and I've found their info to be the most accurate and up to date. Because there are so many clubs knowing your way around makes sense going with an expert. Plus with the new German laws as of July 1st 2017 You'll need to know people to get the best service
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9 years ago
There's a ton of info out there plus services to help newbies (It can be really boring in a non-English speaking country) try fkktour