Sen Marco Rubio on Iran Sept 1985

@mogul what do you mean by 1985

Both Biden and Obama should be tried for dereliction of duty.

I meant 2015 - my bad. The Youtube has the correct info.

The important point is Rubio clearly called Iran out 9 years ago, without reading a scripted "speech" like Schumer would have.

Try to stay on topic than focus on my typo. I have some dyslexia.

Mogul i simply asked my friend, i wasnt trying to make fun of your typo

Meh... it's not prescient to predict Iran is going to be a bad actor in general. Regardless, by all reports Iran was keeping to their end, even though it might not've been a fantastic deal. Now there's a war, and it's still way too soon to determine what the end result will be. Just remember Bush 2 did the same thing to Iraq, for pretty similar (and ultimately unnecessary) reasons, and it turned into a nine yeart, trillion dollar quagmire. I'm not a huge Trump fan, but if he successfully initiates a regime change (to a friendly regime) with little loss on our end, then I'll give him credit, but again, too soon to tell.

By all reports, Iran was not keeping to their end of any deal. Why would civilian nuclear enrichment tech be buried underground? Why was Soleimani in Iraq when he was killed? Why did the Hezbollah pager bombing wipe out so many Iranian "diplomats" and "civilian bureucrats"? There's been plenty of articles published outside the mainstream TDS narrative that clearly demonstrate Iran was boasting and threatening to our envoys that they had 60% enriched uranium and were less than two weeks away from 90% weapons grade. I hate the money and arms we are spending against Iran, but Obama and Biden's weak, reckless lack of leadership left us no choice. It was this or a nuclear-armed Iran.

Let's just agree to disagree on the actual threat Iran posed. And for what it's worth, I genuinely hope Trump scores a major victory with this. His success is our success, even though I don't like the guy.

@Mrsuntan "Meh... it's not prescient to predict Iran is going to be a bad actor in general."

Were you teleported from 1926 to 2026 missed current events the past 47 years? Iran is one of the most evil regimes in 125 years. Maybe you were at the Pro-Hamas/Anti-Israel riots at Ivy League Universities 2 years ago.

Obviously Iran is an evil regime. What I meant was that nobody should be impressed that Marco Rubio predicted they would continue to be evil.

Let's not agree to disagree. Let's acknowledge that I brought facts and you brought a syphilitic Swiss cheese brain that can't define a woman. Unless you have facts and data to back up your claims, don't waste our time.

I suppose the opposite of a liberal snowflake is the volcanic right winger, incapable of engaging in a civil conversation without blowing their top. I can only imagine the steam coming out of your ears as you violently mash your fingers into the keyboard, triggered beyond reason and sanity by a discussion on a freakin' monger board. Anyway, thanks for the laughs, it's been real, but there's no point in spending more time on this.

I think there are a 1,000 more things the average Americans would like their government to do for them rather than attack Iran.

^ Govt's #1 job is to protect it's citizens. I've made it clear what I see as the Iranian Problem. For 47 years, POTUSs and Congress have kept their heads in the ground trying to appease Iran. Long enough - buh BYE Evil Regime and their weapons of war that would be used to maximum effect.

@mrburntskull As I said before, you have nothing but TDS and the empty skull of a mark 1 mod 0 useful idiot. Thank you for proving it. You're clearly too stupid to recognize how badly you've embarrassed yourself, but you should just be quiet and let us think you're an idiot, instead of writing something and removing all doubt. (The origin of this maxim is widely debated)

As for dd's thought: you are right, but, global circumstances and prior poor decisions put us in a position where this was a necessary, even unavoidable, action. A nuclear-armed Iran might have been the most destructive destabilizing global force since the Third Reich and Empire of Japan. Would you rather America have done nothing?

Rubio’s a brilliant guy. This is a bad war.

@mrsuntan "His success is our success, even though I don't like the guy." It's NOT HIS success, it's AMERICA's and Israel's success at ending this evil. BTW, where is the UN with Iran and it's proxy terrorist besties, and Hamas? Oh yeah, writing condemning letters - so effective.

@Studeme No war is good, all are bad, however, sometimes it's forced by no other choice. Rarely, in a war do you see the heads of leadership severed like we are seeing this time. As new ones that support the evil regime, WHACK A MOLE.

Too many miss the point I posted: Rubio said this 11 years ago - that's a long time, and it's even more true today.

Trump has been right for 40 years. Do a YouTube search for an interview he did on "Oprah" in 1985/1986 and you'll see what he said then, he is doing now. Same for Rubio in 2015. No one is 100% consistent, these two are the most compared to the vast majority of elected politicians. Trump and Rubio aren't perfect, just "more" perfect.

When America was founded, the US Constitution was narrowly passed. While 12 of 13 states (RI didn't attend) did pass it, voting in each of the 12 states was close, not a super majority or slam dunk - look it up yourself.

A LOT that lived in America were loyal British supporters. The Patriots, by today's definition, would be called Domestic Terrorists attacking The Royal Crown.

Hey, if we hadn't booted the Brits, we'd be like Canada and NYC would be like London today.

If you think we were “forced” into this war, I don’t know what to tell you.

@theone&only @mrsuntan iran enriched the uranium to 60% and bragged about it in response to sanctions… thats an absurd argument to claim they “werent keeping to their end of the deal” becaue they had 60%… that 60% iranium came about in response to trump breaking the deal… the deal was already done and gone at that point… lol..

@Studeme No one "forced" Trump, it was necessary as everything previous POTUSs for 47 years failed miserably: 1) no one else had the firepower; 2) for 47 years Iran killed Americans and stated they wanted Death to the Evil Empire - America; 3) Iran would have used nuclear warheads when they had them plus ICBMs to fulfill their Jihad of eliminating non-believers (aka Infidels) and Israel; 4) the ME besties allowed their evil Jihadist state to use terrorism at a very large scale in the ME. Iran needed nuclear warheads and ICBMs, and were getting close.

This isn't Iraq, Venezuela or Afghanistan.

Did the non-Iranian states support Iran? Probably behind closed doors they did as a Brother Islamic state, publicly didn't do anything - silence is compliance. And the UN, is something even flies won't touch.

Appeasement, ignoring sanctions and cash was a huge dumbass failure.

Trump #45 had Iran economically crippled/impotent. Biden allowed Iran to generate cash, arm their proxies, build progressively more advanced missiles & enriched Uranium and advanced zombie drones.

We'll never know exactly how far along Iran was with nukes. Maybe in 50 years when us PLs are long gone.

Pretty safe to say Iran with be neutered well into late 2028 while Trump is POTUS - IMHO, it'll be way less threatening than in 2025. Post-2028, no one knows as we have the POTUS election cycle.

@TheOne&Only EXACTLY! You said it way tighter than me - SPOT ON!

@rickthehick "“werent keeping to their end of the deal” because they had 60%" And why did they NEED 60%? 60% was a stepping stone to 90% weapon grade. They only needed 3%-5%, and up-to 20% for electric reactors, for what they claimed the needed it for.

Iran was just biding time until they got to 90%, and played POTUS for 47 years. At this point, it just needs to be finished. There is no going back. Dems want Trump to stop so this becomes Trump's AFG humiliating disaster to get Dems elected to take Congress in '26 and POTUS in '28.

The DNC is subversive and evil. It doesn't care about America, it cares about creating Amerika.

America - World Police ! Mission - Keep Israel safe and keep the money flowing into our political system.

The American taxpayer will happily (or ignorantly) incur all costs, direct and indirect, indefinitely. Hooray! And as a bonus we get to pay to rebuild everything we blew up!

@studme53 it gives people jobs when they do the rebuilding of everything.

@mogul1985 yes, they didn’t need the 60% for anything, i was just pointing out the deal was already broken before that point

^ World Police? We shouldn't be, and need to move away from that role. I've said this, the ME Besties thought Iran could be tolerated, and did nothing to reign them in nor did they deal with Gaza/Hamas. They allowed them to fester as the do support global Jihad; now they got a bite from Iran the Kraken that they didn't plan on. Good. They allowed one of theirs to go evil rouge. They also allowed Iran to develop metastatic tumors (Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, al-Shabaab, ect.)

Iran is (was) an existential threat to America, and by extension Europe only Europe has no spine, they just BOHICA when threatened like a worm.

America has cast itself over 80 years to be the "World Police" as Europe, for example, is too busy with Socialism, and became dependent on America to fund its money pit so it didn't build a strong military - guess WWI and WWII weren't enough clues. And DC allowed this to happen rather than cutting off these "Trust Fund Children" in the pursuit of Socialist Globalism.

Trump upset the Apple Cart with Tariffs to help balance trade and forcing NATO countries to pony up 5% GDP defense spending.

This is an economic geopolitical shift that will take generations to balance out, if ever.

There will always be bad actors, from my perspective, like China and Russia (they have a lot of nukes), ME has a long ways to go to reduce the influence of radical Islamic/Sharia laws, and shithole countries in Africa need to get their act together as China infiltrates.

It's messy, really messy, and created by kicking the can down the road for American elected politicians to get re-elected and rich.

And NO, I don't have the answers. I just know a dead radical Islamic Iranian Leadership is a Good Thing.

@rickthehick "yes, they didn’t need the 60% for anything, i was just pointing out the deal was already broken before that point"

Got it! My bad.

You ought to look up the meaning of “existential threat”. Iran was not any threat to the continued existence of the USA.

We live in the most secure nation in the history of the world. We haven’t been invaded or really seriously threatened since 1812. We should realize a peace dividend.

I can’t tell if Rickthehick was kidding or serious when he wrote rebuilding infrastructure we destroy in foreign countries because it “gives people jobs”. It funny no matter how he meant it.

^ "Iran was not any threat to the continued existence of the USA."

A nuclear warhead and ICMB? Ya, that's not an existential threat now is it. Iran would use it ASAP. The ultimate Homicide Bomber.

What part of Radical, Fundamentalist Islamic Regime is unclear? They are even striking their ME Islamic countries.

@studme53 "We live in the most secure nation in the history of the world. "

Ya, tell that to the 3,000 who died on 11-Sep-2001, and the first responders who are now dying from exposure.

Then we have 1,000s of potential radicalized Islamists whom Biden allowed in through the "Closed Borders."

Over the weekend in NYC, an 18 & 19 year old from PA who were radicalized tried to do a mass killing with IEDs that fortunately failed - the should face Federal Capital Punishment charges. CNN called them "Teenagers" to soften them in the media - they yelled "Allahu Akbar." CNN did same with the "Maryland Dad."

People like this, not the majority of Muslims, are rabid animals and need to be put down.

@Studeme53 "We live in the most secure nation in the history of the world. "

Actually, The Most Secured would be China and North Korea - police states. America is an open society and with that you have a lot of very soft targets for the taking with asymmetric warfare. For traditional war, we are the strongest. For sleeper cell & Lone Wolf attacks, we are certainly not. That takes a police state.

Tell that you the Synagogue that was attacked today in Michigan. The attacker is dead, however, it made it way into the building before an armed guard stopped it, and he was injured. That building never should have been able to be breached by a car.

Let me repeat, I am a huge supporter of President Trump. I get mad with people with TDS, but the war is a huge mistake.

About the U.S.A being the most secure nation in world history; China and North Korea both share disputed borders with countries with 1st world militaries and military ambition that they have been to war with in the 20th century. They justifiably fear invasion. We have vast oceans between us and our enemies, real and imagined. We also share borders with allies with vast tracks of land and no military ambitions. Also our tremendous military capability makes any invasion impossible.

Secondly, Iran did/does not have a nuclear weapon. N. Korea does. The country we bombed was the one without a nuclear weapon. What conclusion do you think Iran, and every other country, draws from that? I’ll tell you - without a nuclear weapon a superpower can strike first, devastate your country and demand “unconditional surrender”

Don’t get me started on how stupid it was for Trump to say “unconditional surrender”. We sacrificed almost half a million American lives, dropped nucs on Japan and utterly destroyed every city in Germany, killing millions of civilians in the process to get “unconditional surrender”. You think that’s gonna happen here? Trump’s gonna have to walk that back. Hopefully he’ll have the humility to do so and fast.

The USA's image as the most secure nation is an illusion at best. We live in an open society. The radical leftist fringe controls one of our two major political parties, and has used that control tolerate our borders to let in tens of millions of criminals, let alien fraudsters steal millions - perhaps billions- of taxpayer dollars, and has now shut down our Department of Homeland Security.

There is no comparison between Iran and the DPRK. Aside from the occasional cross-border firefights, he keeps to himself. Iran is an active exporter of terror, consistently seeking to subvert and destabilize its neighbors and the region.

Unconditional surrender of the current regime, whether to an international force or to domestic reformers, is the only.accpetable outcome. A nuclear-armed Iran is unacceptable. That is an evil, fanatical regime, which cannot be allowed to possess the greatest destructive power developed by mankind. If Trump quits now, if America quits now, we will look and be weaker than we have since Carter's failure in Iran 47 years ago. No nation will need to fear us because either know we lack the will and the strength to stop a third rate power like Iran. China will explode into Taiwan and across the South China Sea, Cuba and Venezuela will snap back to full blown communist tyranny, and Putin may well try his luck against the Baltic NATO states because America cuts and runs. Then it would be too late.

^ Exactly

@mogul1985

"Trump has been right for 40 years." <----That right there is the quote of the day! Bravo, I needed the deep belly laugh.

@TheOne&Only

Look at the little bitch gum a man has changed names!

Keep fapping away you little puckered starfish!

Get your fucking priorities straight you dipshits.