OTC... How does this happen?

The most effective way to get otc is to ask for it. There is no secret. Not every dancer does otc. Many only do it when the rent is due or have another immediate need for cash.

Not sure how much time passed between the first and second inquiries about getting together. Now this was maybe 15 years or so ago, so not exactly yesterday. But I once had a dancer start making out with me on the floor the first time I got dances with her/met her (in a club that wasn't wild by any means but I visited often). She initiated it and I was so shocked I don't think I tipped her all that much on top of the dances (it wasn't an extras club at all and cameras were everywhere at least out on the floor).

She wanted me to do a room either that night or in the future and I was thinking next time for sure as i didn't have a lot of cash and don't use ATMs at clubs. Anyway next time I came in (it couldn't have been more than a month or two at the most) and saw her she told me she was now dating the bouncer-AND they were getting married haha. Needless to say her regular dances were pretty terrible that night and I didn't ask about anything "extra", much less a room.

The funny thing is she really did end up marrying the bouncer and quit stripping. I went to this club for quite awhile after this (I really liked a different dancer there that was friends with this dancer that quit).

So either that dancer that made out with me was drunk or fucked up on something and was already dating the bouncer at that time-maybe he wasn't there that night too.....or she wasn't dating anyone and thought I had a ton of money and was looking to get out of the business haha (she was really hot with huge tits). She could have had any customer she wanted, but it was a dive of a club so who knows how much guys actually spent or even had at that place. I mean we are talking rough neighborhood kind of place. The two dancers/one I liked that stayed for quite awhile and the one that got married and quit were WAY above any other dancers there.

Dancers can also be very flakey to say the least so I wouldn't worry about the one being a no show. Even if they are somewhat "reliable" in the club , they aren't necessarily going to be out of it. Just my general thoughts, I have never done OTC myself so definitely not an expert by any means.

First rule of asking for OTC: Depending on area and club, you'll likely get a lot more "no" responses than "yes" ones. Even after decades, I still get lots more declines than acceptances.

Second rule: Even a "yes" or "maybe" has a good chance of being just a way to get you to come back to the club and spend money, and not a real agreement.

If you really want to meet her OTC, spend a fair bit of time in the club with her, even before asking her about it, Sitting, talking, drinking, eating, whatever. Don't be stingy. Tip her on stage. If you're in a club, like many of those in Louisville, with "dancer drinks", buy her a couple. If not, slip her 10 or 20 every so often while she's sitting with you. Buy food. If she's been sitting with you for a while, "I'm gonna get some food. Do you want anything?" has been a good way to get her to sit with me for extended periods of time. Don't over do it, but don't be a cheapskate.

And if she says no, do NOT get belligerent or ignore her in the club. Remember, they get asked all the time, so even if she seems upset, be polite, and say something like "OK, if you change your mind, let me know. How about we go get a dance or two then?" If she says no, say nothing about money, even if she asks. "We can talk about that if you ever change your mind."

If she says yes, or questions what you're gonna want to do, I still don't suggest talking about money. Just be upfront and clear, "I'd like to have sex. More privately."

Some girls won't want to continue the discussion unless you do talk about money. Those are likely to be girls who do OTC regularly. If you're fine with that, go for it. I personally only do that once in a while, when I'm between regulars; I prefer girls who don't do it often if I can find them, and believe they don't. If you just want to get your nut in a place that's more private than a club, it's not a horrible place to start while you learn the ropes. Girls who do it regularly will be much more transactional than what I generally go for, e.g. if they start talking about "per hour", or "per session", or similar.

Again though, it's a place to start, just be aware that's what you're getting. One of the absolute best cocksuckers I've ever met was high as fuck volume, but she was so very worth it. She'd get me off in five or so minutes and keep going for the next 20 to 30 minutes to get me off again. Then she'd just lay there and play with me for a few minutes and do it again. Only person I've met who could routinely get me off more than once in less than about an hour.

ITC extras do not automatically imply a willingness to go outside. In fact, it can mean OTC is even less likely, unless she's really low volume. If she figures she's safe doing it in the club, she might not want to risk meeting someone she doesn't know outside. See all that stuff above about cultivating a "relationship". Hell, even if she's a firm no, circumstances can change, and she'll remember who's been nice and who's been an asshole.

Polite persistence, not pestering, spending money, and being a regular can open doors, and legs. So don't give up yet.

I'm recently converted to the world of SCs and, the way by brain works, I seek efficiency. My path quickly zeroed in on #1 goal being OTC. After trial and error, I've settled on the following techniques: I show up decently dressed, no shorts. She asks what I do, I tell her my profession, which is known for providing a comfortable income. I am polite during the dances. The first time I always ask permission to touch boobs, even though I go to places where good contact is the norm. This all establishes that I'm a respectable member of society and lowers her guard. "What's your bf say about you working here?" "I don't have one", "How does someone so beautiful as you NOT have one?". After some good LD's, "When can I see you outside". I don't care what her answer is, I move on. This occurs while doing $80- $100 worth of dances. I'm too chicken to try these lines paying anything less. I pay up front. I get her digits. Next time I'm at the SC, I pay upfront again. $80-$100. I ask early on when I can see her again, or when I can take her home with me. I tell her I'm in a "bit of a transition period" in my life, and am looking for "something regular and discreet". I think this is key. Why would she take on the added risk for a one-time OTC? Here, I am offering an income stream. "No pressure, the first time my goal is for you to have a great time and hopefully want to make it a regular thing. I want to find someone I can invest in instead of coming to the club... I don't to the VIP rooms cuz they're gross." To increase your odds of success, do this at a slower club. The bar is higher at busy ones. Of bonafide attempts where I pick the girl, I'm batting about .800. This does NOT count all the girls that volunteer their services. I've NEVER taken the bait on those. If I wanted that, I can do it for less with the streetwalkers outside. I'm interested in the challenge. I've had 3 cases of 8's telling me NO for 3-4 visits and over texts "What do you think about what we talked about?", and then on the next ask, all of a sudden they change their minds. I had one girl that after multiple asks, she appeared frustrated and said "I DO have a boyfriend!", I think just to get me off her back. Don't be creepy, don't be rough. Be the nice guy that found his muse at the SC. She will appreciated it. Money is a weird convo and has gone several different ways. I asked one what she made in a shift to which she answered ~$300, so I offered to double it. One I offered $800, and she apologized and said $1000. She was worth every penny. The average is $800. My expectations of the arrangement (not that is matters, I guess), is a 2 hour GFE. I don't discuss the specifics. Either it comes natural for them or it doesn't. Somehow, It ususlly does.

You're on the right path, my friend. Keep on keepin' on. It may take several tries to arrange your first OTC. Once breaking through, they become much easier. After a while, girls will be contacting you to inquire about future OTCs.

A question - what kind of OTC are you looking for? A 1hr VIP type in a hotel (that you provide)? A more extended 3+ hour "date" with drinks, meal, and fun time? An overnighter?

Also, how much are you willing to spend? A dancer is usually comparing how much money she can make with you versus 8hrs on her heels with dozens of guys groping her in the club. Mid/upper-tier girls (7-8.5) usually net $250-$400/shift in the club (after door fee/tip-outs). Sometimes more if successfully selling VIPs, but often less, based on the day of the week. So, if you're willing to make it worth her time (comparatively speaking) for 3-4 hours with drinks/food in a nice setting, and you are a decent and fun dude, time with you can seem like a favorable option.

Also, always remember that she's "on the clock." No matter how much she seems to like you and be into it, fun ends when the time is up. There may be an occasional girl who simply wants to hang for a bit, but it's rare. They have sitter arrangements, baby-daddy issues, and other drama to attend to. So, YMMV.

Addendum to my previous comment: WIth Cubans, you can save a lot of time by mentioning "sugar". Not sugarbaby or sugardaddy. Just sugar. This is somehow ingrained in their culture back home as a blessing from God, so their ears perk up...

For me, the topic has been dancer initiated almost every time. But it has come after getting to know the dancer for a while.

years ago in my city a PL talks to a dancer; dancer agrees to meet the PL at his house. (His wife was out of town.) Dancer's boyfriend shows up to rob the PL. Things go amiss and the PL gets shot.

My takeaway: if I were to do any OTC anywhere, it would be with a dancer who had been at a club for a long time. She knows that you know where to find her. A visiting dancer or a new dancer would be riskier; rob you and leave town. Same applies for escorts; use a local with a long-standing clientele.

@artcollege thats a sad story, and it probably is because he didnt vet the dancer properly or went after a ghetto chick with a ghetto boyfriend.

If a chick is using slang words that you hear in gangsta rap songs- you best assume she will also rob and scam tricks as described in those same gangsta rap songs.

An american chica who has a boyfriend thats into rap music- is almost guaranteed to be a robber or a scammer of some sort. At one point i was going around seeing random “independent” escorts off eros and other sites… you notice these sorts of trends among the scammers. I completely avoid any american chicas unless they are well reviewed popular independent girls or pornstars, but I basically avoid those two kinds of girls too because they really charge a lot more.

Even in the club, your almost guaranteed otc with a foreign latina with an accent, or an eastern european, meanwhile an american chica talking all ghetto using slang terms i wont even bother discussing any extras or otc with.

@Whiskers13! What your saying makes sense, but you are saying you dont want to do OTC with girls who offer that up front? In that case, that conflicts with your point regarding cubans becsuse cubans are very open to otc and most are likely high volume. Your $800 number makes sense if you are going after that specific category of girls who dont normally do otc. But if your more open to doing otc with girls who also do otc with other guys, you could easily cut that $800 number in half and get the same level of services like a 2 hour gfe. Apart from the possibility of going bare i dont get this logic of going after girls who dont do OTC with other guys. That tells me the guy isnt just looking for sex he is looking for a semi relationship sort of arrangement. It also means the guy is possessive. Both those things are a bad matchup for seeing any sex workers

@georgmicrodong “ And if she says no, do NOT get belligerent or ignore her in the club.”

I agree with not being belligerent, but dont see the issue with ignoring? If she says no to OTC, its perfectly fine to move on and just not get dances with her anymore or buy her drinks. You dont have to totally ignore her, but its fine to basically ignore her. It doesnt make sense to keep spending and seeing her just in the hopes that she will maybe change her mind in the future.

“ If you're fine with that, go for it. I personally only do that once in a while, when I'm between regulars; I prefer girls who don't do it often if I can find them, and believe they don't”

To this my question would be, why? Do you need to go full bare right from the start and thus you want someone exclusive who isnt OTCing anyone else? If a guy says he wants a girl that isnt otcing others, that tells me he is looking for something beyond sex. Something like a semi relationship. And it also means the guy likely has jealousy/possessiveness issues, which is dangerous for sex workers to deal with.

Perhaps she finds you creepy. Perhaps you just don't click well enough together for her to justify her spending her off-the-clock time with you. There could be a variety of reasons.

Most of my OTC encounters were initiated by the dancer. If you don’t want to wait for those opportunities, there are limited prospects for success if an OTC rookie is asking another OTC rookie to set up an OTC date. This may be too subtle, but I would phrase the ask this way: “Do you ever see people outside the club?” She can say “Yes” and you’re in. She can say “No, but I would be interested”, which means she does it all the time and you’re in, or she can say ”No”, and it’s end of the discussion unless and until she brings it up.

If she expresses interest, the key is to strike while the iron is hot. A text that starts: “Hey it’s Manuel, we met at the Boom Boom Room three months ago…” may not get answered at all, and is less likely to spark much interest. That has sometimes been my experience when I made a potential OTC connection in my travels, and don’t make it back to the area for a while. Of course, if you show up at the SC and see the dancer in person again, you can hopefully pick up where you left off.

Also, if she gives you a “real” name, use it in the text. It could well also be fake, but it may be a sign she thinks she can trust you and you want to remind her of that,

^ But don't contemplate killing yourself like our never ending troll icie/dougster did if you end up giving her 'all' your money. lulz

I've never done OTC but I have had a few offer it, most just have given me their number on a napkin. One however after a very fun VIP opened her little purse and handed me a business card. It was a normal business card with her name, email and phone number on it. I thought to myself, now this is a dancer that knows what she is doing business wise.

To me it all starts with getting her number. Many dancers don't give their numbers out at all (try for Instagram/Snapchat in that case). Some will only give it to a few guys she's comfortable with. But if she gives you those digits, it shows she trusts you and might be willing to do more.

My CF is a sweet shy GND I've been running into from time to time since last summer. Just got her number last month and all of a sudden she's texting me telling me she has an IUD so I could finish inside her if I wanted 😂

I dont like the idea of doing more dances/seeing her more or offering more money to try to get her to switch from no to yes. In some cases the girl might be more virginal and just doesnt do otc with anyone… but in other cases she said no because of certain hangups… and then even if she agrees to meet otc it doesnt mean it will be a fun encounter or she might perform properly or decide to scam. Id rather see a better performing chica even if she may be higher volume more experienced

And if your the only guy shes doing otc with/the first guy she ever did otc with… it could cause issues if you want to stop seeing her or want to see other girls at the club

@Whiskers13! Just this week I had a Cubana offering to move in with me. I gave that a pass. Later that night she acted upset that I'd done dances with others. I asked her if she had danced with other men. She said, It's my job. I replied with, it's my entertainment. I think that got through. She's fun, but jealous.

It's one thing to offer a woman $ to have sex with you. It's another thing to beg her to take it. It's good to have a modicum of pride. I wasn't so proud a few years ago when I spent a lot of time and effort trying to get a no-extras dancer at a no-extras club to go OTC. Dinners out after her shifts, etc. She was always a "no". She said she's not an escort, and she doesn't believe in dating customers, etc. Yet, she'd string me along by dropping lines like she was "warming to the idea" of OTC sex. Finally I wised up and moved on. Never again

Most strippers are strippers because they want your dick to stay in your pants. I mean, assuming you are a run of the mill, unrickified, damn dirty ape. You have to keep in mind you are looking for something atypical. It' s a factor how much local LE would rather cock-block, because, you know, actual criminals can be pretty dangerous. Strippers generally don't see stripping as a fulfilling career, that they relocate to get ahead in. (Those who do tend to go to Vegas, the ROB Emerald City.) They pick where they live for other reasons. Some places, for various reasons, have more women willing to do in-person sex work. That creates competitive pressure for them to do dick-out sex work. So you get more dancers willing to do OTC. And clubs where few dancers can't make decent money without doing dick-out sex work.

From my experience, strippers view working in the club as a job and to the extent there is anything sexual there she rationalizes it as just part of the job or comes with the territory.

For example, it's no big deal for her to walk around the club in her underwear and allow strangers to grope her. Outside the club she would view the same behavior as inappropriate and reserved for a relationship.

It's difficult to secure an OTC because she compartmentalizes aspects of her life and work into distinct, separate sections, preventing them from mixing and influencing each other.

I only do otc if I am already barebacking her. In those cases, I get a hotel room. I usually do it so I can do greek with her, use toys with her or make private videos.

A couple dancers I know have a "business " they run. In the back is a fuck room.

Most dancers I know are open to it.

For the record. Hookers are a better deal.

@Whiskers13

Pics and Vids of the OTC or it didn’t happen.

:D

Good Times, Good Times.

I have tried and failed several times. Then I have had some fall into my lap, almost unexpectedly. One night I was just chatting with a dancer. It was slow. I mentioned to her that my SA date had cancelled on me last minute, hence why I am free. She wanted to make plans!

@3131 that also worked for me for (non-FS) OTC, mentioning dissatisfaction with sugaring sites. Some dancers will get wary or huffy with you if you directly ask them for OTC. So, good when it gets across to them you'd be interested, without implying someone is lower ranking in the whorearchy.

Thank you to @Manuellabore and @WiseToo for bringing some much needed reality to the situation. Icey seems to think he can just buy women like one of the 20 cheeseburgers he eats daily. That's probably true if you settle for crack whores, but negotiating OTC with a dancer is more nuanced than "durrr just offer more money"

@wisetoo makes sense but it varies heavily by dancer/girl. For some girls its just being paid for their time that allows them to categorize it as work. So they will do the otc because they are getting paid

Hoes are hoes. They broke.

In my area, SFL, they will let you and give you their info after a couple of dances. Some gals need to trust you before they give it out, so spend a little, be respectful, and ask kindly.