Black Virginia homeowner shot White kid ding dong ditching at 3am
People are already debating this on twitter, with some claiming the white kid was attempting to break into the house.
There seems to be debate over whether the kid only rang the bell, or kicked or banged on the door. Regardless, even if he was kicking the door, is that enough cause for him to be shot? I would think the kick or kicks would at least need to make a reasonable person think a break-in is imminent.
Ringing the bell, or banging on the door, aren’t automatically akin to attempting to break-in, even if done at 3am.
There’s also debate over whether the kid was shot while kicking the door or while running away.
Some are arguing the homeowner being arrested is an example of anti-black systemic racism, or drawing comparisons to the George Zimmerman case, arguing Zimmerman was able to hunt down a kid and shoot him while this guy couldnt shoot someone trying to break in.
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last commentThere's a FAFO element to this (dying for a TikTok challenge = natural selection), but the usual race hustlers are already on their way to West Virginia.
Castle Doctrine doesn't mean you have a right to shoot anyone on your property.
It would be different if the kid were trying to break in.
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Bigots are trying to bait this as racially motivated black on white crime.
In reality the racial element comes into play regarding how quickly Butler was arrested and how quickly the media jumped on it.
3 men were knocking on his door at 3am and wouldnt leave.... Not sure what most would do.
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The more I read about the case. The more trumped up the charges look. 3 teens were banging on the door. Kicking it. Ringing the doorbell. Also doing it at the garage door. Butler called the police reporting an attempted burglary.
The DA claims a prank doesnt justify deadly force to protect property. There was no way for Butler to know it was supposedly a prank.
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There was no mention of “wouldnt leave”… thats speculation…
Theres not even confirmation on whether they were knocking, knocked once, or just rung the bell one or more times…
It also may have only been one person who did the knocking or bell ringing
Its not impossible that the homeowner was overly aggressive or violent
There were people arguing that even guys like rayshard brooks or jacob blake were unfairly shot by cops…
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Also the thing is even if they actually broke a window, all of that is meaningless if they were shot while running away.
Per the michael drejka case in florida, even in a stand your ground state, once someone retreats, even taking a half a step back, you can no longer shoot them unless they are actively charging towards you
So if he shot the kid while the kid was running away, it would be 2nd degree murder
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It was caught on security cameras
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So the homeowner actually called and reported the kids attempting burglary after he already shot them.
Meanwhile both kids who survived claimed they were doing ding dong ditch pranks for TikTok- one of the kids was able to pull up other ding dong ditch pranks they previously filmed on his phone.
I think the guy is screwed unless theres good proof the kids were trying to break in
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The article is light on the facts.
Where did he shoot them? What were the kids doing when he shot at them?
You can't shoot through a door, at least not in Mass, the rationale being you could shoot a cop or an innocent without knowing who it was.
If they were just "banging, kicking, and slamming on a garage door," that's not enough.
If they were an imminent threat to break in or charging him or brandishing a weapon of their own, it could be justified.
If it's all on camera, it might not be much of a trial.
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State law also matters.
Up here, a firearms lawyer told me you could shoot someone who is in the act of beating the shit out of a loved one, and you'd be at very least arrested, with a prosecutor who wants to rape you for the simple fact that they used a gun.
In Texas, you can practically shoot someone for looking at you funny. I saw a clip where a gun owner shot a store robber three times, then when the robber was down, delivered a point-blank execution shot to the head, and got away with it.
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Butler called the cops when the 3 men started banging on his door at 3am. They clailm they were trying to get into his garage to hide. As part of the "prank". There is video evidence. Them saying it was a prank after the facts is irrelevant. Instead of trying to get into his property they could have yelled that its a prank when he came out with a weapon. They didnt.
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The media is already attacking Butler's character. He had charges against him for posting revenger porn. And the possible burglars are made out to be innocent little kids.
There was a case in Vegas a few months back when a man called 911 because his ex broke in and attacked him with a knife. When the cops came they saw him pleading for help while she stabbed him. The cop shot and killed the black man. Viewing his female attacker as the victim. Nothing happened to the cop.
Here we have a black man automatically charged with murder after 3 white men tried to get into his property at 3 am. refusing to leave or say anything.
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Do you have a source for where he reported a burglary in progress? If its something someone posted on twitter its meaningless.
Even on the washington post this is what it says
“ The sheriff’s office said the person who made the emergency call reported a resident had fired shots after three people tried to kick down a door. Authorities did not publicly identify the caller.”
So whoever made the phone call did so after shots were already fired.
Its true that the making a TikTok video could be an excuse given by the teens, but they had video proof showing they had filmed similar TikToks before.
On the other hand Butler appears to be making things up when he claims robbery in progress. Everyone knows you can shoot someone breaking into a house, but that doesnt mean thats actually what happened.
Do you have the name of the guy involved in the Vegas incident so we can look it up? As far as that sort of situation it all comes down to who a reasonable person would see is the attacker. I can see your point that there could be biases at play, where some people will assume the black guy is the aggressor or the guy is the aggressor in an incident with a woman. But we would need the name of the guy to look into it further.
The thing is even if that case was the cops messing up or being racist, it has nothing to do with this case, nor is it evidence that cops or courts systemically make the same mistakes.
As far as your last point, there were never 3 white men. The other 2 white kids were under 18. They also never refused to leave or refused to say anything.
Im curious to hear your thoughts on the cannon hinnant situation? This case, at least for now, has some unknown information so you can pretend the kids were possibly trying to break in. But im curious on your thoughts on cannon hinnant, do you think that was a justified situation?
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