Why I voted for Kamala Harris but wanted her to lose
Owlyoung_ggofv
Southern Libertine
I couldn't think of a decent title, so I just stuck with the facts. I decided to vote Blue this election. I am 90% Democrat on most issues. It doesn't matter because both my home state and current state are both blood red. I have always found that ironic, that someone with liberal values typically gets employed in predominantly Red counties. They should do research papers on this phenomenon. I believed Kamala was best for the country despite any personal misgivings I had.
Here's the deal: I am really tired on the educated black woman trope. Notice I said "trope" and not persons. All my life I have dealt with women (white and black) who have been preachy towards me. I acknowledge some of the criticism was warranted, but a lot of it was contradicted when I finally started working. There are a few complaints I could make, but the last thing I need is to be labeled incel, when that's not true at all. Incel is a derogatory term that has lost all original meaning. A man's ability to attain sex does not mean they are socially intelligent or even a well adjusted individual outside sexual encounters.
I am pointing out that many women talk down to men or belittle men who don't share their world view. Even when you propose viable counter arguments to their beliefs, you are treated poorly because you don't confirm the "modern idealization" of what a man should be. This happens more often with liberal white women than conservative women in my experience.
Its okay to be challenged, but be respectful. Don't speak to me as a child when I have worked to get to where I am and faced challenges on my own. Many of these women have family or relationships to fall back on and not take accountability. I don't have that option.
I will admit I have concerns about Trump, namely the new Government Efficiency counsel under Elon Musk. It's understandable to want to hold government accountable for spending, but that requires you actually know where the money goes. Cutting spending doesn't magically make systems work efficiently and cheaply.
You are going to make some sectors operate worse because they barely received much funding to begin with.
Government is NOT A BUSINESS, sometimes positions are created to deal with problems that don't bear fruit until later. A private company may choose to just ignore the problem to save money. And often decisions are made months in advance before final orders can be given.
I have a job in the defense industry, and my main concern is that Elon Musk will just cut programs that have nothing to do with corruption in DC.
Tax cuts are great if you are making over $150, 000 a year for your family. I don't make that much per year. What I get back, even during Trump's first term, is basically just one mortgage payment. That's the main reason I see no reason to vote Trump.
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That dude had NOTHING. There's just nothing there. Jersey came pretty close this cycle, it ain't all in yet but right now it's within 4 which is probably the closest it's been in decades back when NJ was still solid red state. 2028 the GOP candidate better put some time in there.
I cast a protest vote because Harris is basically Biden. Who is just Trump with the corporate media behind him.
The only question now is whether Trump's tariffs will actually help the economy or hurt it. And I am banking on hurt. You can't just slap high tariffs on imported goods without an infrastructure that can absorb the costs. We simply don't manufacture enough to cover domestic demands. Every Economists, and Elon Musk himself says it's going hurt before it gets better.
Ukraine is fucked. Taiwan is fucked. Palestine is fucked. Labor rights or things like minimum wage or basic things like sick leave will be eliminated. Climate change will continue and future generations will be living on a burnt broken planet. Women and minority rights will be gutted taking us back to the 1960 or even 1920s. Musk and Thiel will mess with the economy turning it cryptocurrency experiment.
The only shitty lining is that those that voted for this will feel the effects. It will be unbelievably painful and cruel. People will lose entire friendships and if mass deportations do occur inflation will skyrocket.
I'm not a democrat, I don't watch CNN. Yes Kamala didn't do well but goddamn no one, I mean no one will like what the MAGA GOP is about to do to this Country. And if the religious wackos takeover they will ban porn and strip clubs will be next.
So why did you want her to loose?
Confused old hypocrites being whoremongers while supporting conservative values.
Basically you cant take them seriously.
This election wasnt a victory for them. It was a message to Democrats for abandoning the people in order to appease the right.
@OP - According to exit polls, black and Latino men have gone from Trump more than for any Republican in decades. Trump may have even won Latino men outright. But you nailed it with men don't like being hectored and browbeaten, and no one likes being called a racist and sexist for not voting for their preferred candidate.
Walz's beta-male, soyboy, submissive parody of masculinity backfired like an old Chevy. The ads about guys who eat carburetors for lunch but are secure enough in their masculinity to vote for a woman, struck exactly the wrong, preachy note.
No one, men or women, respects a weak man.
With Trump in office, I'm actually concerned. But I also realize that many people working in the adult industry support Trump so it's their fault should things go bad. I honestly don't think Trump cares about the sex industry, as in trying to get rid of it. It's his Evangelical base that wants that, but they are more tied into banning abortion and removing Transgender ideology (because those actually are government regulated versus fighting hundreds of private businesses).
I actually think strip clubs could evolve into privatized "members only" establishments, but that's a discussion topic for another time *wink*
Icey and Puddy Tat both states facts. The far left man hating has got to end. These people live in idealistic fantasy settings where men just do whatever women want, but still have the machismo when it's convenient for women. That's not real life. That only in fabricated settings like private schools or colleges. In the real world you have to make it with your own efforts and nobody going to save you because of a "micro aggression". These leftists live very sheltered lives. They hate when you call them out on it because it exposes that they really don't understand the real world.
I'm really skeptical they won't just ban porn, why stop there? Conservative hate sex.
Harris and the Dems think they are Martyrs. When Hillary did her 2016 concession yak she wore Black and Purple, Bill wore a black suit and purple tie. Harris work black and purple. These are the colors of Martyrs.
@Puddy: EXCELLENT
The ad about guys who eat carburetors wasn't from the Harris / Walz campaign, but surely didn't help them.
Delusional he says.
This dipshit wrote the book on delusional!
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Dream on Icee. If Trump can keep his ego in check (a big if) the next 4 years this could set the stage for Republican control the next 20 to 30 years. The Democrats have a lot of soul searching to do. If they want to remain relevant they can’t continue to pander to the extreme progressive wing of the party.
America has spoken. We don’t appointed candidates based solely on DEI. We don’t want men competing against women in sports. We don’t want candidates who support the Marxist BLM burning and looting cities. We don’t want to pay back the loans of college kids who make poor life choices.
The liberals are in the verge of becoming the dinosaur.
The fact that ICEY and NIxur just shit the bed makes me love Trump's victory more. Cannot wait for videos of the forign scum who snuck in under the cancer known as Biden/Harris getting their asses thrown out.
You two shitheads are the typial communists that call themselves progressives: a blight on society leaching off your betters while you ungratefully bitch.Nixur seems worse than Icey. Fucking amazing. Close down every goddamn stri.....oops....never mind.
How JD Vance and Tim Walz' Favorability Compares After Debate
According to a post-debate poll by CBS and YouGov, voters felt tied between the candidates running for vice president, with 42 percent of voters believing Vance came out on top, and 41 percent of voters believing that Walz was the winner.
https://www.newsweek.com/tim-walz-jd-van….
A martyr complex is one of the key teners of Trump "believers" it dictates their faux messianic message
You should try stand up. You’re funny as hell.
The liberal losers needed milk and cookies and crayons and safe spaces when they lost. Who’s playing the victim?
1) His approval rating will drop below 40% because prices don't drop by 20%. I don't see how he can possibly manage that.
2) He gets credit for the private sector bouncing back from COVID, which it already mostly has. But, that assumes he will move cautiously with the deportations and the tariffs. If he causes a lot of businesses to go bankrupt, and/or starts an inflationary or deflationary spiral, those are bells that can't be unrung. Then he'll have to maintain power through intimidation and unchecked executive power. There is no visible group like the Nazi Brownshirts backing him. But this thing where thousands of black people got threatening text messages is scary. Hopefully it's just a few kooks who managed to pull that off. But, if there's an underground neo-Klan standing back and standing by, then like Steve Bannon said, it's gonna be wild.
If you think that his administration will try to shut down all strip clubs with some sort of national law you getting your news from msnbc or some other sort of misinformation.
The left news media loves to blame all of the world's problems on Evangelicals. Funny how the left loves to call President Trump Hitler and then the left proceeds to use the Nazi playbook. It doesn't matter if they are blaming Jews or Evangelicals, anytime you hear all of the problems being blamed on a religious group warning bells should go off. The real Hitler tried that. It was not good for the world. Politicians love to do that because it takes the attention away from their own shortcomings.
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How JD Vance and Tim Walz' Favorability Compares After Debate
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"The liberal losers needed milk and cookies and crayons and safe spaces when they lost...."
I can't believe they are giving milk & cookies to college students! These colleges are not preparing them for the real world.
Would any democrat or liberal like to deny the results?
Any leftist election-deniers out there?
We won. Elections have consequences. Bend over and spread 'em libs, here it comes.
No one cares about Jan 6. I don't know why the fuck Harris made that a central point of her messaging. Jan 6 doesn't put food on anyone's table.
There is not going to be any federal legislation to shut down these clubs as long as they don't have sex traffickers pimping the girls on a circuit around the country.
It likely wouldn't make the top 100 issues that influenced voting. Whereas democracy (of which January 6 and Trump's attempted coup were relevant factors) was in the top 3 issues. Harris was right to campaign on it, but she didn't spend enough time on the economic messaging.
The very article he shared (How JD Vance and Tim Walz' Favorability Compares After Debate) in fact states that after the debate, Walz had a favorability rating of 60% while Vance had a favorability rating of 49%. Walz also maintained a higher rating than Vance up to election day. Totally different point than who people thought won the debate.
2. Trump and JD Vance won the only poll that matters. Harris and Walz lost. You lost.
MAGA bitches. Four years and more. Suck it.
The attempted coup is all documented by the January 6 Committee, and the words and testimony of many people close to Trump, including his own VP. This stain on Trump will never be forgotten, it will be part of Trump's legacy.
"Nobody cares about the 2020 riots."
People care about law and order, of which that was one manifestation. Trump was favored on this issue. It's also tangentially related to the Democrats' constant playing of the race and gender card.
"Whereas democracy (of which January 6 and Trump's attempted coup were relevant factors) was in the top 3 issues."
...but democracy means different things to either side.
For Democrats, it meant preventing Trump from becoming an autocrat, Jan 6, his potential mass firing of government employees and replacing them with loyalists.
To Republicans, it meant preserving the filibuster, preventing packing of the court, and stopping the blatant lawfare campaign against Trump. So both can say it's a priority but it not be a clear winning issue for either side.
At very least, one can point to Harris' late pivot to Trump fear and slipping even further behind in the polls.
When Hillary lost in 2016, during her concession speech, she (and Bill) wore Purple and Black. When Harris gave her Concession yak she wore purple and black. These ARE the colors of a Martyr.
To add: On election Day, Dr Jill work RED (in your FACE Harris). Colors matter (in more ways then one) for the Democrat Machine.
The Dem Blame Game is in full force; a circle firing squad with automatic weapons of war. Capo Pelosi, who is 100% involved with all Dem Machine ops, is blaming others. It wasn't one, it was The Machine that failed. They can't see why they lost. Their superiority complex and egos won't allow them to accept they fucked up as a whole.
Harris said Fight like 30 times during here concession. What hasn't she plagiarized from from Trump? Harry Caufield would call her a Phony.
I want all Dems to continue their Resistance Campaign. They are so full of Kool-Aid for blood it isn't funny. They are 100% indoctrinated in their own dogma. Obama and the Clintons are relegated to the dustbin of history where they belong.
I do expect something evil to pop-up between now and then. Things are too "quiet". I do want to be wrong, I really do.
80M+ know it was ginned up. The Dem Star Chamber didn't provide all evidence and after the GOP took over Congress, terabytes of data that were to be archived were destroyed. Pelosi herself said on video she takes a lot of blame for it the riot and lack of security. Cops in the WH escorted people around. People were prosecuted for unlawful entry and as they didn't go thru the metal detectors (I know some who was charged and convicted of this specifically - 6 months home arrest and $100K for a misdemeanor). The only person killed was unarmed Ashi Babbitt by a DC cop captain that had a checkered history including leaving his 9mm in a bathroom.
What happened on 6-Jan is not "National Security". Somehow, all the data collected regarding 6-Jan needs to be fully released. That is how Democracy must work.
Also, in 2020 Biden had like 83M votes and Trump 75M; 160M total. Today, Harris has 70M and Trump 74M; 144M. The 144M is more in-line with previous POTUS election cycles plus a LOT of new voters were registered by both parties. Where'd the other 16M votes go? And it wasn't because people were trapped at home in 2020.
The "stain" of two impeachments and January 6 riots are all on the democrat party. The House seated in 2018 (and the democrat caucus seated in 2016) will forever be remembered as a bitterly partisan, leftist radical assembly who wasted millions of dollars in taxpayer money on false investigations, doctored dossiers, partisan "whistleblowers" (in fact, false witnesses), all in effort to try and undo the results of a lawful election. They proved that the DC swamp is a club reserved for beltway insiders only, and outsiders who gain entry will hounded and harassed until they leave. On January 6th, democrats showed that they only care about rioters when it is their workplace being looted. Hundreds of businesses lost and lives ruined along with dozens of lives needlessly lost as the democrat party fomented violence across our country for two years, but heaven forbid that should be visited upon them for a change. Why would they bail out and forbid prosecution against rioters in MO, MN, and elsewhere, but turn the whole of their internal security apparatus against our fellow citizens in the Jan 6th witchhunt? Retribution and vengeance. Tyrannical and malicious prosecution to show that they have unequal protection and greater preservation of rights than the common voter. If this does not concern you, then you really do not understand what America is or should be.
Rioters were prosecuted in MN. And those who stormed the Capital on January 6 and caused damage and death should be prosecuted too. This is not controversial.
Jack Smith's cases against Trump are legit and appropriate, and it's a shame that justice will not be served now that he is looking to wind them down. Hunter Biden was also targeted by House Republicans and ultimately prosecuted by the DOJ, so claims of unequal treatment at the federal level are bogus.
It's a fair criticism to say the NY cases against Trump were politically motivated. Those involved an overzealous state AG and DA and were not driven by Biden or the federal government. We know it's a right wing talking point that the entire Dem party is engaged in lawfare, but it's not supported by the facts.
Jack Smith is a hack. Justice would be served by him being indicted for prosecutorial misconduct. Hunter Biden has received preferential treatment. Fact.
No one, except partisan libs, argues against the lawfare waged against Trump. Dems would do well to remember that also caused many people to support Trump that otherwise would not have.
6 people died. Including a cop beaten to death by trump believer rioters
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/how-ma…
Sadly, it proves Wikipedia cannot be trusted for facts and truth.
Blah Blah Blah I am really mad. Whatever dude. You made your bed. Trump is going to deport millions along with more tariffs starting a trade war. The Christian right will ban porn, onlyfans, and strip clubs. It'll spike inflation and start a economic recession or depression.
But the thing is - I am rich - I work for a bank. I'm just a normal white dude and I'll probably just end up making even more money at the expense of the poor.
Biden is trump with the corporate media behind him
Trump has disavowed project 2025 a million times over
You hate the bad orange man. I get it. But just stop the lies
Republicans won. Democrats last.
America won. Liberals lost.
Look guys, I am not happy result but I'm trying to move on. That's all anyone can do.
My biggest fear is that Trump will allow his Evangelical wing to blatantly break constitutional freedoms we have (porn and strippers are one of them). But as many have pointed out, strip clubs have always been a STATE issue, not a federal one.
As for porn, I don't think it's possible to outright ban it. The reality is that age verification software is the only legal mechanism to restrict it and that's easily destroyed with VPNs, torrents, non regional porn (hentai is completely unaffected), etc..
Porn is ruled to be protected under 1A. All this shit about it and strip clubs being banned is stupid, factless paranoia.
Never underestimate how strong ideological fanaticism can become, left or right. Personally, I think the extreme branches of both sides are just being played by the Government as a whole.
Think about, cater to your fringe base, get votes, scare the opposition to compromise, then don't deliver on any actual promises, create an "other" to blame for lack of progress, repeat. Every political party does this to varying degrees of effect.
See, even liberals can think logically.
The religious right hasn't been a force in Republican politics for decades.
If Dems really believed Trump was Hitler, they wouldn't be conceding the election so easily and definitely not ensuring an orderly transition. Puts the lie to everything they have said.
His core base are bigots and those who view politics as a visceral act. And thats dangerous to civil society
https://reason.com/2019/10/04/pornograph…
I don't think a porn ban will happen, simply because it's too much of hassle and enforcing it is borderline impossible without nationalizing Internet servers (another Constitutional impossibility). I also know that the judges, as much as they like Trump, need to keep some level of strict construction in their rulings.
You also have to consider states like Louisiana putting 10 commandments in public school systems. So it's not that they don't have power, but they just use it for specific purposes.
Age restrictions are a different matter. More like they've chosen to enforce them.
I offered @dustyj a $10,000 bet that Trump will not make porn and strip clubs illegal. He's disappeared. Probably because, like Harris and her campaign going "hurr durr fAsCiSt" then offering a seamless transition, he doesn't really mean what he said.
Where do you club Puddy Tat, are you in the Southeast US? Asking because I'm always looking for different clubs.
I worry about porn being banned about as much as I worry about a large asteroid hitting the earth. 1A includes porn. Supreme Court won't overturn it.
Atlanta has taken a step back but you can get $5-10 dances at the right place. Worlds better than here.
https://www.techdirt.com/2023/08/17/masc…