why would any guy want to do that? if she makes it on OF you're most likely going to lose that girl. like always before i want to see my fave live in person, not on my video screen.
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Back in COVID, I had an OF site (and chaturbate) and never really found that it made the kind of return on the amount of time I invested in it. I could EASILY make more in one night on the floor than I did in a month on OF. it was great when the clubs were closing or limited... but once that got better, there was no reason to keep doing that. The funniest (and saddest) thing about OF girls from back then was them thinking they were the same as real ITC strippers. Honey, it is one thing to get that big dildo in you all alone in your bedroom... talking to a camera.. afterwards, probably head to target to go shopping...
It is a WHOLE different thing doing a dirty grind on a customer in the back of a club with 150 guys, music blasting... asses slapped... your titties raw from rubbing it on some guy's face who really needs to shave... at 3AM... tipping out to the club.. the bartenders.. servers... trying to get a lyft on a rainy saturday night... and thinking Waffle House looks too crowded....
Oh, you really want to complain about OF taking their cut... and a regular said something offensive to you... Honey, darlin... sweetie... STFU....
OnlyFans is for OnlySimps. But the economics are like anywhere else in the entertainment industry; the top few rake it in, a bunch more barely get by; the lion's share make Jack shit.
know! I don’t get porn as a business model. How does it make money. Who pays for something that’s abundant and free?
I can answer that for you. There is certain porn that is only available via subscription services or online pay to download sites. It's not that you can't find some of it online, but perhaps it's very difficult to get say an entire DVD on your favorite material for free.
Paid sites also offer organization and a one stop shop for your favorite genre.
I have an account on hotmovies.com and it's an excellent resource. I could get alot of those scenes for free online, but hotmovies makes it much convenient and not needing 100+ links multiple sites. It's also ad-free.
You also have to take webcomic and 3d porn into consideration. pop
Yes, sites like PornHub and others offer a great selection of good high quality video for free... (and some paid)...
...if a company is making money from a service without you paying for it, you are not the customer... you are the product.
They get so much data from your actions and sell it to a WIDE audience. Read the TOS for PornHub some time... then think privacy in any meanigful way exists.
"Oh, I use a VPN and anonymous accounts for PornHub..." or "they can't track me..." guess what.. unless you use an air gapped burner computer/phone that is DEDICATED to only porn... then they can track who you are... and even if you did that.. there is still value in the materials you browse...
Trust me... it isn't the pussy that's the product on PornHub (and other sites)... you are.
I'm not an OF subscriber. I've known 2-3 girls who do the webcam/OF thing successfully and more than I can count who have dabbled and given up. In my experience, girls who I like in person don't have the personality types to be successful on OF and vice versa. As grrl said, they're not the same.
I don't have any suggestions, but its because I'm not interested in it. If I knew a stripper who was doing OF that I thought was good, I'd happily recommend her. It's kinda petty to try to keep her to yourself or whatever by not sharing her info. And like I said, odds of a girl being good in real life and on OF are slim so its unlikely I'll face that dilemma.
As far as who buys it, what I learned from the girls who were successful was that their best customers were much less interested in the porn aspect of it and much more interested in the interaction. The messaging feature was far and away what they paid for. They wanted her to ask him about his day, tell him about hers. They had notebooks with notes on customers and would ask about wives and kids and shit. The second biggest spenders were guys who wanted them to do specific things because they ask them to. Silly shit like write "Property of customername" in lipstick above their ass or pussy and make a video. They also said there was a lot of overlap of guys who wanted to video chat and either just talk or give orders and watch them get followed. I don't know if their experience is representative of the market at large, but their explanation sorta makes sense.
"Property of customername" in lipstick above their ass or pussy and make a video.
yeah try that with a stripper. wtf will most likely be the reply to such a request. be thankful not to say that to that one stripper who will react by putting her heel through an eye.
just type in OF girl's handle followed by xxx and some free shit will pop up. just no point in paying for porn anymore. we're not living in the times when we had to go all the way towards the back of a video store or wait for a month to buy copies of swank. this i remembered costed hundreds and for a few maybe thousands.
"titties raw from rubbing it on some guy's face who really needs to shave... at 3AM" @grrlgonebad You've truly been in the stripper trenches and for that I salute you 🫡
@PAWG - HAH!! Once I was finishing my shift after spending a LOT of time with a guy who really... really... liked that whole "3 day stubble" look... and looked down at my boobs... they looked like I had some kind of rash! OUCH!
Maybe I could get some sort of medal for my years of service... Oh, I know... the "Golden G-String" for service above and beyond... hahahaha!
Why pay an OF girl when you can pay a dancer? I find that one provides a much better service than the other. Anything spent on the internet is far better spent on a real life interaction
I totally get that stubble can be irritating to a dancer's skin, but out of curiosity, what's your take on facial hair once it moves a bit beyond the stubble phase?
One of my all-time favorite dancers used to encourage me to let my facial hair grow a bit past the point where I personally liked it, and she loved the feel of my face with about 2 to 3 weeks of growth. My facial hair drove ME nuts at that point, but it seemed to drive HER nuts in a good way...
Somewhat similarly, I once took this incredibly cute, adorable brunette spinner to the lap dance area for the first time. At the start of our first ever dance together, with only a few minutes to chat beforehand, she says to me "I LOVE your beard", and then proceeds to GRIND her face into said beard for maybe 10 to 15 seconds. I sure as hell didn't mind, but it was a bit surprising to have this happen in the first moments of our first ever dances. If I had to guess, that instance was probably about 10 to 14 days after my last shave...
Anyway, sometimes when I think my facial hair is past the point where it looks acceptable to me, some dancers seem to love it that way? But when it's shorter, more where I think it doesn't look bad, I could totally see how it might be a scratchy nightmare to brush up against...
So, as a dancer, how would you personally rank these options for customer facial hair? :)
Freshly shaven A few days of stubble Two to three weeks of growth A "full" beard
With non-subscription pornhub, youtube and broadcast TV, yes, the viewer's time is the product, sold to advertisers.
The documentary "Hot Girls Wanted" makes you wonder how the porn industry as it is remains viable. Typically the female performers make great money for a few months, but then their bookings drop off, and they don't get any cut of the gross of their scenes, no matter how many years the scenes are being wanked to.
If OF had a $20 a month subscription, and they paid most of it out to creators you watched per minute (like Youtube does), I'd be interested in that. But, seems like generally on OF, you're paying more than $20 a month, just to see one creator's scenes. Seems like an unhealthy fixation to me.
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I could EASILY make more in one night on the floor than I did in a month on OF.
it was great when the clubs were closing or limited... but once that got better, there was no reason to keep doing that.
The funniest (and saddest) thing about OF girls from back then was them thinking they were the same as real ITC strippers.
Honey, it is one thing to get that big dildo in you all alone in your bedroom... talking to a camera.. afterwards, probably head to target to go shopping...
It is a WHOLE different thing doing a dirty grind on a customer in the back of a club with 150 guys, music blasting... asses slapped... your titties raw from rubbing it on some guy's face who really needs to shave... at 3AM... tipping out to the club.. the bartenders.. servers... trying to get a lyft on a rainy saturday night... and thinking Waffle House looks too crowded....
Oh, you really want to complain about OF taking their cut... and a regular said something offensive to you... Honey, darlin... sweetie... STFU....
We're not the same...
But the economics are like anywhere else in the entertainment industry; the top few rake it in, a bunch more barely get by; the lion's share make Jack shit.
I can answer that for you. There is certain porn that is only available via subscription services or online pay to download sites. It's not that you can't find some of it online, but perhaps it's very difficult to get say an entire DVD on your favorite material for free.
Paid sites also offer organization and a one stop shop for your favorite genre.
I have an account on hotmovies.com and it's an excellent resource. I could get alot of those scenes for free online, but hotmovies makes it much convenient and not needing 100+ links multiple sites. It's also ad-free.
You also have to take webcomic and 3d porn into consideration. pop
...if a company is making money from a service without you paying for it, you are not the customer... you are the product.
They get so much data from your actions and sell it to a WIDE audience. Read the TOS for PornHub some time... then think privacy in any meanigful way exists.
"Oh, I use a VPN and anonymous accounts for PornHub..." or "they can't track me..." guess what.. unless you use an air gapped burner computer/phone that is DEDICATED to only porn... then they can track who you are... and even if you did that.. there is still value in the materials you browse...
Trust me... it isn't the pussy that's the product on PornHub (and other sites)... you are.
I don't have any suggestions, but its because I'm not interested in it. If I knew a stripper who was doing OF that I thought was good, I'd happily recommend her. It's kinda petty to try to keep her to yourself or whatever by not sharing her info. And like I said, odds of a girl being good in real life and on OF are slim so its unlikely I'll face that dilemma.
As far as who buys it, what I learned from the girls who were successful was that their best customers were much less interested in the porn aspect of it and much more interested in the interaction. The messaging feature was far and away what they paid for. They wanted her to ask him about his day, tell him about hers. They had notebooks with notes on customers and would ask about wives and kids and shit. The second biggest spenders were guys who wanted them to do specific things because they ask them to. Silly shit like write "Property of customername" in lipstick above their ass or pussy and make a video. They also said there was a lot of overlap of guys who wanted to video chat and either just talk or give orders and watch them get followed. I don't know if their experience is representative of the market at large, but their explanation sorta makes sense.
yeah try that with a stripper. wtf will most likely be the reply to such a request. be thankful not to say that to that one stripper who will react by putting her heel through an eye.
just type in OF girl's handle followed by xxx and some free shit will pop up. just no point in paying for porn anymore. we're not living in the times when we had to go all the way towards the back of a video store or wait for a month to buy copies of swank. this i remembered costed hundreds and for a few maybe thousands.
@grrlgonebad You've truly been in the stripper trenches and for that I salute you 🫡
Maybe I could get some sort of medal for my years of service... Oh, I know... the "Golden G-String" for service above and beyond... hahahaha!
I totally get that stubble can be irritating to a dancer's skin, but out of curiosity, what's your take on facial hair once it moves a bit beyond the stubble phase?
One of my all-time favorite dancers used to encourage me to let my facial hair grow a bit past the point where I personally liked it, and she loved the feel of my face with about 2 to 3 weeks of growth. My facial hair drove ME nuts at that point, but it seemed to drive HER nuts in a good way...
Somewhat similarly, I once took this incredibly cute, adorable brunette spinner to the lap dance area for the first time. At the start of our first ever dance together, with only a few minutes to chat beforehand, she says to me "I LOVE your beard", and then proceeds to GRIND her face into said beard for maybe 10 to 15 seconds. I sure as hell didn't mind, but it was a bit surprising to have this happen in the first moments of our first ever dances. If I had to guess, that instance was probably about 10 to 14 days after my last shave...
Anyway, sometimes when I think my facial hair is past the point where it looks acceptable to me, some dancers seem to love it that way? But when it's shorter, more where I think it doesn't look bad, I could totally see how it might be a scratchy nightmare to brush up against...
So, as a dancer, how would you personally rank these options for customer facial hair? :)
Freshly shaven
A few days of stubble
Two to three weeks of growth
A "full" beard
Oh, and the last time I was at a Waffle House, it was so noisy in there I had to go BACK to the strip club just to get some peace and quiet...lol
invest on a pocket rocket with pubes glued to it?
The documentary "Hot Girls Wanted" makes you wonder how the porn industry as it is remains viable. Typically the female performers make great money for a few months, but then their bookings drop off, and they don't get any cut of the gross of their scenes, no matter how many years the scenes are being wanked to.
If OF had a $20 a month subscription, and they paid most of it out to creators you watched per minute (like Youtube does), I'd be interested in that. But, seems like generally on OF, you're paying more than $20 a month, just to see one creator's scenes. Seems like an unhealthy fixation to me.