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Do you believe Kamala Harris will have the Obama effect ?

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Owlyoung_ggofvSouthern Libertine

Finally figured out how to start a discussion on here.

So do you believe Kamala Harris will have the backing to defeat Trump or not. One of Trump's advantages is that he has a larger support base than most GOP.

Harris generally caters to the crowds Trump is weak with. This election is going to be close, no matter what either side says. It will be decided by 5 to 8 swing states.

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Yes I do. I’ve seen a lot of random “person on the street” interviews and lots of people said they will vote for Kamala simply because she’s a female POC. Her background doesn’t matter. Her policies and stance on the issues don’t matter. She’s getting votes just so she will become the first woman president ever. And being a POC is a bonus for the progressives.

I’m hoping the 3-5% of voters who were RFK supporters get firmly behind Trump. It may be the only thing that can save the country from disaster.

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sfrsox

If Trump wins, I fear Jd Vance will confiscate every strip club couch in the US.

Vote Kamala to keep the government away from bedrooms and private rooms.

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Love him or hate him everyone's mind is already made up about Trump. Kamala on the other hand most people know very little about. Despite this the current polling shows it being a very tight race. Some have Trump ahead, some have Kamala ahead but they're generally within 2-3 points.

All Trump needs to do is convince 1-2% of the people who are leaning Kamala to not vote for her and he most likely wins, possibly even in a land slide depending on which polls are correct. Kamala's camp knows this which is why they're doing their best to not allow her to answer questions. She has nothing to gain and everything to lose by answering questions. We'll see how long she can keep it up before voters start demanding she starts giving us some policy proposals.

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ilbbaicnl

Everybody knows the couch thing is totally fake right? (Based on a supposed quote from his book that isn't in it.)

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shailynn

^ I love your points, but explain that to a Gen Z or Millennial that’s ready to cream in their pants just because this candidate isn’t “an old white dude.” I still think there’s a lot more Boomers and Gen Xr’s that will go out and vote over Gen Z and Millennials which I would certainly think would favor Trump.

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chunkychicano

The grooming starts in highschool or even middle school. How many kids think its cool to be a minority gangsta? Its only a matter of time before someone like kanye is seriously considered for president.

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"Finally figured out how to start a discussion on here."

What the heck are you talking about?

You've started plenty of discussions on the front page and a few on the political page. This is not your first.

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Harris has already shared a number of policy proposals and positions. Some of them Trump used to label her a communist.

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ilbbaicnl

It's looking like whoever wins Pennsylvania is going to win. Harris is making housing costs a big focus. It's a big issue nationally, but less so in PA. PA flipped from red to blue in 2020 because turnout increased by 5 percentage points. So it will probably be a question of enthusiasm of people who voted for Biden in 2020. Going to be tall order for Harris. Biden has personal connections to PA, that obviously Harris doesn't. But Pelosi has all her chips in for Harris, Harris wouldn't have elbowed out Biden without Pelosi. Pelosi's dad was mayor of Baltimore, close to and similar to Phillly. Pelosi may know the buttons to push and levers to pull to get a big turnout in Philly.

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People will vote for Harris in Philly simply because Pelosi's dad was mayor of a city in another state? Doubtful. Furthermore, other than both having high crime rates, Philly and Baltimore are not similar. I've seen Philly and MD girls interact. They brawl with each other moreso than connect.

With respect to voting for someone because they are a woman....Clinton lost to Trump, and she has better name recognition than Harris.

America isn't ready for a woman president.

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^^
I hope you’re right. But I’m far less confident than a lot of conservatives. I think she’s going to ride the honeymoon wave all the way until
November. And having this inept person as president scares the fuck out of me

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Funontheside why do philly and Baltimore girls fight each other? Simply because they’re from different cities? Thats sad

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Philly girls tend to be a bit more aggressive. When they go into DMV clubs, the DMV girls get annoyed they are on their turf, and it leads to confrontations and fights.

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I am also concerned that people may vote for Cumala as a result of the honeymoon hype and illusions. Can a President even unilaterally provide $25k new home assistance, or implement price controls? Of course, if the Dems sweep the Presidency, House, and Senate, and especially if conservative members of the Supreme Court depart, it's game over, and I will live out my remaining days in bread lines.

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Of Course, Harris will have the Obama effect. The only difference is that being smaller, her ass is tighter, so unlike Obama she will need extra lube when she bends over for the muslims.

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I agree with puddys reason as to why this liability that polled at 2% in 2020 shouldn't be elected. Unfortunately, many aren't going to vote based on policy but rather emotion, skin color, etc as Motor head and shailyn mention. Funny how the dems claim to be for the working class but no one has been hurt more by their disaster in the past 3.5 years. If you're feeling the pinch now, you'll be decimated if the black one wins.

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By what measure did Obama or Cumala bend over for the Moslems? Most American presidents tend to bend over for the Jews/Israelis. Theres no Moslem country that even holds any notable power besides Saudi Arabia. Theres no wealthy, or influential Moslems in the states besides what, maybe the founder of Chobani yogurt and a few athletes here and there like Kyrie irving, low level politicians like Tlaib and Omar. Obama continued, and I believe even increased aid for israel?

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funonthaside

Has Cumala ever even stepped foot into a hood?

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'By what measure did Obama or Cumala bend over for the Moslems?'

When nobama was elected one of the first things he did was go to the middle east and profusely apologize for American actions there.
Granted we did lots of meddling there over the years but we also spent our money, time, and manpower developing the means for those countries to get their oil out of the ground, oil that made then rich and they've since used to blackmail and gouge us.
To what degree we helped vs harmed them is debatable but the fact remains we weren't all bad and what he did showed weakness right from the start. Most people including arabs don't respect weakness.
I also seem to recall nobama bowing to the saudi king when they met. American presidents don't bow to anyone, I guess nobama missed that memo.

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Obama claims to be black, yet was never told that you shouldn't say sorry, as it makes you look weak? I thought that wa a key mantra in the hood.

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^Didnt trump do the same with north korea. Trump seems softer on NK and Russia than the democrat presidents. Also regarding Iran it seems like Bama and others want to attempt negotiation whereas the repubs seem to believe Iran are equivalent to mindless maniacs like isis and cant be negotiated with.
Giving aid to Hamas could simply be a result of lobbying from military contractors. A one sided war wouldn’t be as beneficial for them.

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We don't know what wa said by Trump when he met with leaders. I suspect, though, that he made it clear that it they do something against what Trump wanted, there would be consequences.

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Trump is a lot of things, but he does know how to game the system (good and bad).

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wld4tatas

More desperate talking points from the right wing propagandist Puddy Tat. The Chinese balloon story was entirely inconsequential, and the "minor excursion" quote means absolutely nothing. There is no question that the US didn't tolerate any Russian excursion into Ukraine.

Under Biden and Harris the US is still the undisputed world leader and defender of democracy.

What is really concerning is Trump's position on Ukraine - effectively signaling he is willing to negotiate a deal where Ukrainian land is ceded to Russia. If this happens, there will likely be a collapse in our relationships with our allies, and the US will live in shame for having given a win to Putin.

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Telling the world you will negotiate with Putin, inevitably ceding foreign land to Russia, is projecting US weakness.

Harris wins on this one.

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wld4tatas

This election is about the future. Biden and Harris are trying to stop Putin taking more territory, Trump will let Putin do it.

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Owlyoung_ggofv

Okay guys. I think many of you need to get out more and talk to people outside the upper class bubble. We need someone to continue the economic buildup for this country and continue to provide welfare for those who need it. Kamala plan for price control is already practiced in some Republican heavy states, and that is probably our best path forward. Giving a tax break will not necessarily fix the actual problem with our country. The US has a spending problem, and social security is the heart of our biggest expense in this country. Factor in declining birthrates and you have a recipe for disaster.

Have faith in Kamala Harris. I believe that she can do a good job. She will focus on fixing our immigration problem via improving the process, not building a barrier that will become obsolete in 20 years after it's built (it will require multiple fixes and staffing when it's complete, these funds are going to come from the federal budget and they will be scrapped as soon as a Republican is no longer in the Oval Office.)

We can disagree in a civil way, but know this : Nobody will motivate the Democrats to vote more than Donald Trump.

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@ Puddy Tat, why are you so angry? You post about this stuff like it's personally hurts you on some level.

All I am trying to say is that Kamala Harris isn't a dictator. She seems pretty reasonable. And to be honest, I a very skeptical of any company that "Needs" to increase profits. Its amazing how I pay more for stuff but get absolutely no difference in quality.

I understand how economics work. I know when something has a natural increase and when something is just blatant price gouging. The other side of the coin is that people will just buy less of certain products. So you end up making profit similar to what you were already making because instead of the 100 lbs of meat you were used to selling per week, it drops to 65 lbs per week.

I can honestly say my money doesn't go as far as it used to and generally I live relatively frugal outside of this strip club hobby.

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Companies' top priorities are to its investors/shareholders and employees. Certainly, customers play an important part in a company's success, but customers are secondary/tertiary to the other stakeholders.

However, failure to keep your customers happy negatively impacts investors and employees. It is this relationship which negates the need for government interference. If prices get out of control, customers will stop/reduce spending, and companies will react with better pricing.

With government interference over food prices, for example, a farmer may choose to lease his land to a solar/wind company, rather than toil away for minimal income. This leads to scarcity.

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Regarding the notion that a wall doesn't work....

I agree that there are alternate methods to controlling the border, and Cubans mentioned some of those tactics in past. Her tactics don't seem to be working...of course, they would need to implement those items in order to be effective, which they haven't done.

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It will depend on the details how Harris addresses corporate greed in the food industry. It's simply too early to say it won't work, except for propagandists with agendas.

Trump says he will "End inflation", but doesn't actually have a plan to do so. It's all bluster and bullshit. In fact, inflation has already come way down, but food prices are still elevated. Most Americans blame this on corporate greed. Harris has the right directional approach.

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@ Puddy Tat, I see where you're coming from. I think the bigger economic issue (hence my price gouging comment) is that wages, in general terms, do not keep up with rates of inflation. I am sure you remember all the drama about $15 minimum wage? The truth is, when looking at inflation rates from over 30 years ago to the present, wages would actually be higher than $15 for minimum wage.

We can go all day with me posting links, you post links with commentary, etc. The key take away is that neither political side has a silver bullet solution to the disparity of wage vs inflation. I would even take a page from Reddit Black pill mindset, that this is a feature of a capitalist society and not a problem. These talks keep those with low economic potential in the same range while keeping the status quo wealthy because their engagement is at worst minimal compared to middle class slobs.

I don't agree with the unrealized gains tactic, and Harris probably doesn't actually have plans to enforce it. I am sure all the Democratic donors won't be harmed by this. This is red meat for the progressives, not sound economic policy.

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^ Take a moment to watch Harris' DNC speech. It wasn't far left radical, and she made a forceful defense of Israel.

The far left progressives you mention do have some influence, but it's ridiculous to say they are driving the bus. This is a false right-wing narrative, inflated by right wing media like Fox News constantly having race/gender/LGBTQ related stories on their front pages. It's a distorted view of the Democrat party. It's a bit more true for the environmentalists, but issues like climate change and renewable energy have broader bipartisan support.

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^ Take a moment to watch Harris' DNC speech. It wasn't far left radical, and she made a forceful defense of Israel.

The far left progressives you mention do have some influence, but it's ridiculous to say they are driving the bus. This is a false right-wing narrative, inflated by right wing media like Fox News constantly having race/gender/LGBTQ related stories on their front pages. It's a distorted view of the Democrat party. It's a bit more true for the environmentalists, but issues like climate change and renewable energy have broader bipartisan support.

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Odd double post, sorry

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@Puddy he didnt even have authorization to attack soleimani. And unfortunately the term “terrorist” particularly used by right wingers means a whole bunch of things. But to most of the world Iran is a legitimate country with a right to a military. The Qassem guy was part of irans official military.

But again to a right winger, terrorist includes any Moslem, anyone with nationality from a Moslem majority nation (so Pakistani Hindus/Christians, Palestinian/lebanese/other Christians, Iranian Jews etc), anyone who waves a palestinian flag, anyone who waves a blm flag, anyone who is anti israel, anyone who believes we should leave the middle east alone, anyone of middle eastern descent, probably even anyone visiting the middle east, etc.

Trump took out soleimani because it was israels request. It’s basically doing israels dirty work for them. And its concerning if trump, or anyone else, would kill someone just to appease israel or anyone else. Anyone who is willing to kill just to appease a man or woman or country etc is dangerous. Of course trumps not the only one willing to do that.

Apparently isis celebrated soleimanis killing claiming it helps them. Which lends even more credence to isis being an undercover israeli group. In addition to being treated in Israeli hospitals, never attacking israel despite supposedly being Islamic extremists. Its in like with israels strategy for the king david bombing, lavon affair, uss liberty incident, possibly and likely 9/11, etc.

How is Iran worse than Isis? And what does their apocalyptic view of Islam or the Mahdi have to do with anything? Im curious what you mean by those and what relevance they have. If isis wants to forcibly convert the world, and is a violent terrorist group, that seems a much bigger problem than Iran who appears to have little issue with anyone besides israel.

The aid to Hamas is likely also to assist israel as well. We know that for every israeli hamas kills, israel is given permission to kill thousands of Palestinians plus steal millions worth of property. So, merely funding Hamas alone actually assists israel in their goals.

One thing to point out, it’s ironic that when it comes to persian or turkish or arabian jews, they are groups israel itself would probably welcome into their country, but your average right winger would consider them to be terrorists by default.

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Unfortunately, I do. The press is already giving her and stolen valor a free pass with no fact-checking, no interviews even softball ones, and erasing the past four years plus a good chunk of 2016. The press is completely derelict in their responsibilities, 100% in the bag fornthe democrat party, and wholly committed propelling her to an election victory -stolen or otherwise. Low information moderates and undecided will accept the media's lies and vote for her just because she's the DEI candidate.

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@Puddy nothing in my post had to do with Jews, blacks or indians. Also the statement of “palestinians dont exist” is pure semantics. There is someone living there, the term used to describe them is irrelevant. That argument is often used to attempt to justify killing them or robbing.

Its a bit hypocritical as a way republican to say Palestine or Palestinians dont exist. Specifically because they want to ban Palestinians from entering the country. How can you ban something that doesnt exist? Also justin amash, a literal right winger, is palestinian, bro. I mean im sure 70%+ of the party wants to ban/beat his ass, but it still is a bad look to claim palestine doesnt exist when a famous republican is one

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'Bill Clinton might be a bad human being but he was the last president to govern from a relative center position.'

I have to disagree with that. Not the bad human part, the govern from the center part.
slick willy's agenda was his wife's agenda, they tried and would have passed as many leftist policies that they could squeeze through. What stopped them in their tracks was gingrich's 'contract with america' pact after the midterms.

The slickster was forced to sign bills he despised because he couldn't veto them so being the slick fraud that he always was he took credit for them and the adoring media went along with him.

The msm promoting and covering for leftist politicians isn't a recent phenomenon, it's existed for as far back as I can remember.

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@Puddy how exactly did you gain this insight into their culture and how they think about Israelis and Americans?

Also, your post is unclear. You seem to be losing yourself. You claimed palestine/palestinians didnt exist, yet here you are again, claiming they do exist now.

I mean, the Mexico/canada comparison is completely irrelevant, because it ignores the fact israel stole land from the previous inhabitants. They call it the nakba day, and this was long before hamas even existed.

Even if you were to transfer the Palestinian land to jordan/egypt, israel would just start issue with those countries and try to take the land that way. I mean theyve already done it before, with all their neighboring countries.

Btw the king david hotel incident, lavon affair, uss liberty incident are well documented historical events. You can google them or look them up on Wikipedia.

I am curious about your comments as far as Irans apocalyptic views and the Mahdi. What exactly are those and how do they relate to iran and israel or iran and the US?

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chunkychicano

@Puddy,

Theres anywhere from 170k to 400k+ Palestinians in the US. Do you believe theyre involved in terrorism? It seems like you do, so why not report it?
Some of the more famous ones include DJ khaled, the YouTuber fouseytube, gigi and bella hadid, and of course rashida tlaib and justin amash.

IMO youre too afraid to put your money where your mouth is and formally accuse them of terrorism. Because you know youll get sued into oblivion for defamation among other things.

You and your israeli friend appear to be all bark, no bite. You say 75% of palestinians are terrorists, yet you apparently dont find it concerning or worth reporting the hundreds of thousands of palestinians here in the US.

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I think more people will vote for Trump just because he's a white man going up against a biracial woman.

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Bil Clinton is and always has been a bad human being. Period. Ful stop. He only governed from the center after he worked with congress to take away our second amendment rights and got his ass handed to him in the midterms. Also, he only governed from the center be cause all of his decisions were based on polling. Using polling (of all likely voters) as a basis for his decision-making, in an attempt to maintain power in the White House and avoid further losses in Congress, is the only reason we were not subjected by him to a far worse and radical agenda.

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