History Channel: FDR

motorhead
Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life
Anyone else watching “FDR” on the History channel this week?

For anyone even remotely interested in historical events, it was rather compelling television. Some topics they mentioned, I’m not sure if it’s revisionist history 80 years after the fact, or just stuff that textbooks didn’t write about it when I was school.

I was always taught that America didn’t have a knowledge of the Nazi concentration camps until Patton liberated Ohrdruf and Buchenwald. But the documentary makes a rather strong statement that the Allies were well aware of the camps and chose not to bomb them because of FDR’s (and American) anti-Semitism.

It’s likely we don’t have any TUSCL members that are old enough to remember living thru WW II but I’d like to know the depth of knowledge America really had

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twentyfive
a year ago
I watched it and it's probably historically accurate, there was a very large anti-semitic group that included Henry Ford and Charles Lindbergh at that time and Ford and Lindy were extremely influential,, and very pro Hitler, so Roosevelt had to be very careful around them, if he wanted to aid Churchill and the British, sentiments at the time were isolationist, there are also rumors that the OSS was aware of the Japanese attack plans, and purposely allowed the Pearl Harbor attack believing it would be the only way to shift public opinion enough to allow us to get into the war.
misterorange
a year ago
I did not watch it, but found this: https://www.history.com/shows/fdr

From the History Channel's website:

"FDR is executive produced by world-renowned presidential historian and Pulitzer Prize®-winning, bestselling author Doris Kearns Goodwin, Academy Award®-nominated producer Bradley Cooper, under his production company Lea Pictures, and Academy Award-winning creative production company RadicalMedia, in association with GroupM Motion Entertainment."

The "Pulitzer Prize" has lost all credibility after the NYT and WP received awards for their furtherance of Democrat hoaxes involving Russian collusion and the supposed corruption of Michael Flynn. The involvement of Academy Award-nominee, Democrat stooge, Huma Abedin-loving Bradley Cooper, and some Academy Award-winning "creative production company" (called RADICAL Media) leads me to believe there's likely a bit of "artistic license" taken to make the show more entertaining and less focused on hard facts.

So I don't know if it's all true, or some of it, or none of it, but I don't think a Hollyweird production gets us any closer to the truth just because it's shown on something called "History" channel.
motorhead
a year ago
I didn’t realize Doris Kearns Goodwin was part of the production team. She was one of the commentators on each episode which really surprised me because I thought she lost a lot of credibility as a historian with her plagiarism accusations
misterorange
a year ago
^^ I don't think plagiarism is frowned upon as much as it used to be. Just look at our President.
mark94
a year ago
Under FDR, the federal government grew in ways never envisioned ( or allowed ) by the Constitution. Today, about 70% of government spending is income redistribution. That can all be traced back to FDR.

Additionally, the growth of government in the 1930s delayed the economic recovery by a decade. If FDR had allowed natural economic forces to operate, the Depression would have lasted 2-3 years.
Papi_Chulo
a year ago
I've stopped watching mainstream stuff in the last couple of years - I used to be into stuff like The History Channel; National Geographic channel; PBS; etc; and also was big into sports (ESPN; NBA; etc).

These days I don't trust what sources like these put out bc too often they seem more interested in the narrative than unbiased truth.

There has also been a massive consolidation of media-companies where almost everything is owned by a couple of powerful parent-companies (e.g. Disney owning ESPN; ABC Television; etc) with everything flowing downstream from those few powerful parent companies and their particular ideology. I think I heard someone mention a while back that in the year 2000 there were like 50 different media companies of decent size but in the last few years that's down to a handful controlling pretty-much the entire-space.
mark94
a year ago
FDR believed in Keynesian Modern Monetary Theory even before it had a name. The idea that all government spending leads to economic growth and is, therefore, always smart. We now know this theory is utter horseshit.
Papi_Chulo
a year ago
^ the bigger the government the more you become their bitch
Papi_Chulo
a year ago
On a related WWII note:

"Cigar Smoked By Winston Churchill During World War II To Be Auctioned Off"

https://www.dailywire.com/news/cigar-smo…
twentyfive
a year ago
The cigar is a deep fake. LOL
The jar is real
mark94
a year ago
The Las Vegas stratosphere casino used to have a museum of historical objects. The casino owner explained that if you put the word “ purported” in the item description, you could claim anything you wanted about the item.
misterorange
a year ago
The only thing I watch on History channel is Modern Marvels. Great show.
TheeOSU
a year ago
'there are also rumors that the OSS was aware of the Japanese attack plans, and purposely allowed the Pearl Harbor attack believing it would be the only way to shift public opinion enough to allow us to get into the war.'


A few years ago, actually from a couple different sources I saw something saying fdr also knew of the impending attack but chose to let it happen for that exact reason.
Dave_Anderson
a year ago
No. I had to clean my toilets at that time. 😥
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