Specifically lap dances, otc, vip itc, etc. How easy would have it been get a stripper sugarbaby otc - how much pop? We’re there itc vip extras.
Let’s say guy just out of college looking for lappers, otc girl, etc. Hiw would guy find sugar baby like gal off personals. Was housewife SB pussy available?
Many gals during 70’s did not fuck. Jake a fellow vip told me his gf read him the riot act about nice girls don’t in 1972. He was a college SR and could not get any for free. Sorority bitches fucked if guy frat rat jock type or rich. He did find a stripper SB after graduation. He dated his gf and married her in 1974. She was a virgin. He had done a number of whores and a married woman from his office.
The myth of hippie chicks was mainly bs. Sure some did for drugs.
I don't know about bars in the 70's since I was a bit too young but girls in high school were giving it up pretty easy in the late 70's. My brothers were 8 and 12 years older than me and the oldest one married a former stripper and had 2 kids with her. The younger of the two had girls waiting outside the gate for him all the time. Sex didn't seem that difficult but I'm sure there are guys here from the 80's and 90's that would say the same thing.
The lap dance didn’t come around in my area - Philadelphia- until the early 90s. As a result, there were no private rooms or areas in the “go go bars”
I don’t remember there being “strip clubs”. There were sleazy no alcohol “book stores” and porn theaters with video booths and live girls where you could get HJ/BJ
Before then it was “go go bars”. You watched the girls on stage and got a little touchy - feely when they can around for tips. As I wrote above no private areas or ITC action.
Some dancers would date customers and of course some would turn tricks “OTC” . It is the world’s oldest profession.
These are the types of threads I love learning from. The older guys on here have so much experience to share..... its better than the stupid political threads
In Dec of 1963 I spent an evening hitting the strip clubs in North Beach/San Francisco and earlier that year hit New Orleans 2 nights in a row. Clubs were strictly stage shows/burlesque. Mostly totally nude. During the 70's topless bars started appearing around Los Angeles and later they turned nude but still just stage shows.
I started strip clubbing mostly in Los Angeles around 1980. Some were topless, others all-nude. But all were stage shows where you might cop a quick feel while stage tipping. No lap dances or VIP anywhere.
Around 1982, went to a “theatre” somewhere south of San Francisco, maybe Redwood City or San Carlos where you sat in theatre seats and watched a nude stage show. Periodically, they brought a PL on stage for a sex show. Not really my thing but I did participate one time and don’t think I had to pay extra. I do remember the performer getting irritated when a shot a load down her throat and all over her face while she did a BBBJ, not sure what she expected me to do but it was my only time to participate.
The first lap dances I encountered were in 1985 in Memphis. They were $5 a song in several clubs around town and were very high mileage but were at your table, no private booths anywhere. Some tables were a little more remote than others and everything was available, only minimal tipping was expected. In those days, you could often have a girl sit on your lap all night with constant two-way fondling as long as you bought a $5 dance every hour or so.
By 1990 a couple of higher end clubs opened with the first private booths Prices had increased to $10-12 per song but beautiful girls from all over the country were dancing in Memphis and it was probably the best strip club city in the country. Later, politicians got involved and the menu deteriorated and Detroit and Atlanta (and later parts of South Florida) took over the mantle of best strip clubbing in the US.
Strip clubs in areas of Western Europe were always pretty weak in my experience in the 1990’s and 2000’s. ( never went to Germany) As you moved east into Austria, Hungary, etc. the clubs were fronts for brothels and good value OTC services. In my experience, the same was true of Mexico, Columbia and Brazil. China was another story altogether. No strip clubs per se, but every decent sized city had at least one “bar street “ where all of the bars were full of hookers. Careful screening verified you could get overnight OTC for as little as about US$12. To get a hot girl, about double that. Some might charge as much as 10X, but the quality was not significantly better. The most important aspect of the screening was to make sure you did not pick a “lady boy”. The second part was to confirm the all-in price. Found very few interested in Greek in China but everything else was pretty universally available.
Haven’t traveled to any of those places in the past 10-15 years, so cannot comment on the current state of affairs.
Rockallnight thank you for sharing. This is like American folk history
That was a long time ago and I am old. I wish I had written this stuff down while it happened. Here are some of my recollections ...
There were a few NJ clubs in the mid to late 70s. I started to hear about the goings on in the local club when I was 12 or 13. Most High school seniors and many juniors were old enough to get in. They never checked ID so even someone younger would get in if he looked old enough. I got in when I was 16.
I've been told many times that lap dances did not exist until the late 80s or even until 1990. We had them. Some clubs had a table dance. She was supposed to dance on a small table about the size and shape of an overturned milk crate. She started there but as soon as you tipped a dollar or two, she was on your lap. Some other clubs had couch dances and private rooms. you sat on some old love seat they picked up from the curb on bulk garbage pick-up day. the dancer would typically start out standing over you and get down to grinding on you. many clubs had none of these. Even in those, a dancer might come around the outside of the bar and give you a chair dance, rubbing up against you for tips
We explored some clubs when we went fishing up and down the jersey coast. Old timers would tell us of their adventures ten, twenty and even thirty years earlier. Some form of lap dancing existed in all of those times. Extras were common
the standard tip was a dollar as far back as I can remember. in most clubs, the stage was separated from the customers by the bar. After her set, the dancer would dance in front of a customer for a minute and if tipped, would stay longer.
The private dances were $5 or $10 in most places with one place I recall it being whatever you negotiated with the dancer. In the mid 80s, the price went to $20 in some clubs. Interestingly, these were the clubs without extras or if available, they were expensive. all you got for the $20 was a one or two song air dance. the real mileage was in the cheaper run-down clubs.
my first extra was a BJ in exchange for some pot. BJs could be gotten for as low as $10 in some clubs if I recall correctly. FS was anywhere from $20 to hundreds. A friend of mine and I were discussing this, and we recall that many of the dancers would decline a BJ but would fuck. We never understood that but maybe it was less work on her part. Pull her bikini aside if she was wearing them, bend over the couch and let us do the work. Most guys would be done in a minute or less. it took less effort; less time and she got more money.
in the mid 80s the clubs tried to get classy. Door man, Bathroom trolls. Entrance fees. Discounts for couples on a date night. Bouncers in suits. Cocaine ruled the strip clubs. A dancer would have you thrown out for offering her cash for a hand job or even just to touch her pussy. Give her a line of coke and that same dancer would blow you while another dancer gave you a rim job. No, not my story but I was in the communal lap dance room and watched that happen to a good friend.
Do you think women were sexier then? People were thinner than now. And women seemed more feminine at least in movies and TV shows. The clothes seemed more sexy. What do you think?
What was p4p like back then?
My earliest recollection of discussions involving hookers were "$100/hour Call Girls." Lot of money back then (early 70s). I think I heard about'em on the 6 o'clock news... ;)
My first SC was early 80s in Northern KY. Totally nude stage shows, and I was hooked. However, no VIPs offered, or would have thought to ask about. It wasn't until the early 90s that I discovered more exotic stage shows in San Francisco "exotic theaters" (a girl who could "smoke" a cigarette with her pussy stands out in my memory). At a couple theaters, the girls would mingle with the audience (guys loosely sitting around theater-style seats) after their stage shows. For a few bucks, you could feel each other up. One place had a flashlight show, where you're in a darkened room, the girl wears a sheer nighty, and for $20, will "dance" on your lap while you hold a flashlight pointing up. She shields others' eyes with her nighty, and the flashlight seen through the nighty from the other side made for interesting viewing. For a tip, you could hold a dildo and insert it into her pussy. Took a little doing to work that thing with a muscular girl.
Those were the days... ;)
Rod8432 -- if it was the brass ass (maybe bull) in Newport.. all you needed to do was get to know the House Mom and she would let you use the little room off the dressing room for "VIP" private dances. The old expression from Cinci guys was go to Covington or Newport "to bang the bridges".
I started visiting strip clubs in the early 90s. The vibe was different.
I visited mostly black clubs. Believe it or not, in the early early 90s, they didn't play as much rap. R&B was KING. Soul was KING. You'd hear Anita Baker, Sade's 80s hits. CDs were still new so the DJs still spun records and still had those records on hand not the new rap records as much. And the dancers from the early 90s were 40s, 50s and 60s babies. The early 70s babies just started working but the 40s 50s 60s chicks were used to dancing to R&B and Soul, not to Rap as much.
Folks don't realize, today you can copy CDs and download digital music for free and quickly. You can get the latest songs quickly and play em. Not so much back in the day. Back then the DJ invested heavily in his music. He wanted to air out his late 80s stuff he finally got around to. Which was fine with us. It was a different thinking. Not every DJ had the means to get the new-new stuff and if he did he damb sure wasn't working at a strip club.
Therefore the dancers were slightly different and older because the music was just a lil behind in some cases. But we thought nothing of it. It was different thinking. I clearly remember when rap music was not played at all on Sundays at first. I remember when rap wasn't played until after 12pm noon on weekdays--no rap in the mornings. At the SC, rap wasn't played until late at night with a different DJ who had the records.
With the change of music to rap etc brought a change of dancers, IMO. The 70s babies
In the late 60s and early 70s all the strip clubs were full of hard core bikers, and the girls were all hard core mommas from biker gangs, in those days it was more likely to get into a fight than get extras from the girls, the main exemption was black controlled clubs, those clubs were mostly fronts for drug dealers and they didn’t care very much what went on inside
IMO, the difference between yesteryear SCs vs. today's is like old school porn with a script vs. today's porn with no script. Today's porn forgoes the script with lines and just gets to fucking whereas yesterday's porn it was more common to have a storyline with lines before you fuck.
I feel like SCs were the same. It was all pretty much radio music in the SC clubs back then. The hits. Until CDs came around and they played the whole CD. Now you hear songs from Soundclouds or obscure off YouTube included. This brings out different dancers. Younger girls like to bop to their generation of music. The more you can play their sound the more they will come out.
IMO, I remember in the early 90s, the Scs, the dancers I saw, I rarely saw young ones my age at first. Those ladies were older and mature. Mid 90s definitely my age started showing up the music was different. MTV promoted youth culture. Back in the 60s you weren't a proper young lady if you were dancing in the clubs. It was different thinking. But the late 60s early 70s babies were latch key kids growing up independently on the 80s and things shifted.
All just my opinion and relative to the spots I visited. But definitely the shift in music is key to the girls that come out.
Anyone with personal experience of that time would be around 70 right now. The 70's were the time of hippy chicks giving free love. The first stripper that comes to mind for me from that area would be Carol Doda AKA "The Perfect 36". She was dancing in SF about that time and was picked up by a local UHF tv station, channel 36, to advertise the station as "The Perfect 36".