CLIP JOINT USA, is this what Deja Vu is trying to do in TJ?

Just curious when is the last time you actually stepped foot inside a strip club?

@Pistola why even ask? Unless you want to see that tired ass excuse for the millionth time about his time being taken up 24/7 by affairs on the ground. Yet strangely he has enough time to post rambling diatribes on TUSCL during San Jose Library hours daily. But no time (or money?) to actually spend in the strip club that he talks so much about 🤷‍♂️

Also, cue another predictable ass response about privacy walls and all the other prairie shit he's been going on about for almost a decade.

Deja vu are some of the best clubs for girls to work at. Iceys angels like the way they're treated there.

Many girls eventually leave DV clubs because they are too restrictive, they don't like being used in that manner, where the bouncers have appointed themselves as pimps and need to be greased.

My concern is that it looks like they are trying to export their system across the boarder.

SJG

Deja but treats girls like stars. At least in la they get everything from.catered dinners to free photos shoots to free weekend getaways and a chance to be featured on club ads. Money from table reservat etc. Nothing restrictive about it

No, it uses them to rake in money. It imposes front room friendliness restrictions which are not legally necessary for that metro. It gets the women to believe that this is in their ineterst, but more experienced dancers say it just destroys their income.

SJG

Every club makes money off of girls viabhouse fees bottle sales etc

But yeah deja vu can be strict on prohibiting prostitution

If you care about a girl it's about her making the most doing yhe least

But it is not pushing the legal limits, not letting the women do it their way!

SJG

Resorting to prostitution is their low point. It's not their way.

"Prostitution" goes on all the time in DV Clubs. The girls have to tip out the bouncers to go over the stated limits. That way DV has plausible deniability.

The issue is that they destroy the front room interaction, force guys into the back room and to pay the toll, for things which there is no legal need for.

SJG

Club managers always get a cut from hoes

But deja vu clubs are some of yhe best ones when it comes to how dancers are treated. Nice dressing rooms etc

NO!

SJG

DV destroyed San Francisco by ratcheting down the Front Room Friendliness, till it is little more than "Wanna Dance?"

San Francisco had been wild, almost anything goes.

So you don't take a girl into the back room to see if she is good. You take her into the back room because she is already great in the front room.

Some were calling Market St. Cinema an "Orgy Club". Sometimes people didn't even bother with the back rooms.

The women make far more money that way, cause they can do it their way, and they tend to do what it takes to make it happen.

DV wants you to shell out money for the back room, really just cause you have been sold a fantasy. The girl has not opened up to you, so what happens will be by dissociation.

And they are trying to export this to TJ, so it seems.

As it is now, TJ is known for Front Room Feel Ups and Makeout Sessions going to FIV, and sometimes even more.

Primarily DV is a think thank. With women at their highest levels, they have studied the psychodynamics of strip clubs and figured out how to maximize the take.

Jim and Artie Mitchell said they wanted MBOT to be Amsterdam West. And Jim had seen there a Front Room on stage DATY show. A line of guys, each would take a towelette and wipe the the girl off, before giving her some licks. This kind of stuff shocks people and changes them. It shocked Jim Mitchell. When he came back he was never the same.

The Mitchells wanted to thumb their noses at the society and its authorities.

DV is not like this, it is beholden to investors and wants to maximize their return. That means selling more fantasy than reality, and getting has much money out of you as possible. So they tone down the front room, they run up the prices, and so what happens in back is shit. And it only gives good money for young hotties. The older ones really get squeezed. Eventually most girls leave for looser clubs.

But then that was when they did not control all the clubs in San Francisco. When it gets like that, there is no where else to go. That is when they really destroy the front room and send the prices sky high. $600 half hour, $1200 hour, and with a girl who you have not built any intimate rapport with.

DV buys clubs just to close them, as zoning laws make it impossible to open more. And they are looking CA AB-5, which destroys gig work, to ruin lots of these clubs, so that they can buy them up cheap, and either install their clip joint system, or just close them.

They are not pushing the limits, they are just reaching the bottom of your wallet.

SJG

Gurdjieff and De Hartmann youtube.com

So they're bad for setting rules and cleaning things up? Treat girls as employees. Etc. They're great for girls that's why so many want to work there

It is only the youngest and least experienced girls that like them. They get good money, but it is the directly the inverse of how much competition DV has. Sure, in San Francisco they have none. Zoning rules stop more clubs from being opened. They young ones go their because DV snows them with nonsense.

The girls can give mileage in the back rooms, but they have to grease bouncers. This is how DV does it, giving themselves plausible deniability. So these bouncers then appoint themselves as pimps. This is a far dirtier arrangement than in your basic anything goes dives where the management just always looks the other way, and the girls do what they want, front room and back room. So once the girls learn which way is up, they then go to these more straight up clubs where they can do it there way and no one is acting as their pimp.

SJG

Management always gets a cut. Dives are a lot worse to work in for girls. They usually lack all protections dv gives them.

I'm talking dancers not hookers

Once they have a little bit of experience they no longer care about any difference between dancers and hookers.

SJG

Not true

Totally true, once a girl gets enough money in her g-string, and gets pawed enough, and does enough LDKing, and enough highly protected BJ's, and has perfectly nice guys who she would love to go out with offer her money, she eventually no longer cares!

In DV clubs lots of sex acts and FS go on. The girls never say no to anything, they just say, "It will be Very Expensive". So most guys decline and accept LDKing.

Eventually the girls leave for more straight up places.

We had lots of girls in South Bay, refugees from San Francisco. What they said was, "If I wanted to do that I would just be a prostitute and advertise myself on the internet."

They did not object in principle to fucking paying customers. They have no objection to that. But they were not going to be a complicit part of this greasing of pimp bouncers, those guys are scum and they do not like dealing with them, but DV creates them.

Jim and Artie did not do it like this, ever.

SJG