Why do vanilla apps(Tinder/Bumble) heavily favor women while Sugar (opposite)

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Beat100
Vanilla apps

My friend Will signed up for Tinder and Bumble; he got 0 matches. He's 5'11, mid 20's and graduated\ from a right college, and occasionally plays sports. I would say he is 7.9. He invested 1k dollars in "dating products," "Coaches," "Professional photoshoots,' and paid for "Boosts." All it did is he managed to get 10-15 matches at most half of them were of girls plugging their IG and the other halfway below average girls. There was only one girl who was a six from Couchsurfing looking for a place to stay. My friend thought it wasn't worth it and decided to delete both apps. Despite paying them for boosts, he goes nothing.

Sugar Apps

Will learned about sugar apps, and he decided to give it a try. He copies/pasted his detailed profile from Tinder to Sugar Dating. Only adding how much he was making and his family's wealth. He expected to get a bit more matches. Instead, he got 100+matches. With girls messaging him to meet up, he thought it was insane! All his "dating gurus" had taught him some BS that would take him years to "get good." He noticed that one of the girls was the EXACT GIRL from Bumble he liked. He went on a date with her and ended up hooking. She was neither an SB nor an Escort. But a girl who had recently signed up and was checking it out. He ended up dating the girl and did not continue his subscription.

Middle Ground

I feel there should be apps where guys like Will can pay $100 per month to "Skip the line," so to speak. For him, this money is very little. I know the purpose of Sugar apps is no to target guys like my friend. Instead, the problem is that free apps are oversaturated with lower quality guys.

What do you guys think?

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Icee Loco (asshole)
4 years ago
The first are dating sites

The second is a site where men look for hookers.

Its a very different dynamic
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Subraman
4 years ago
Are there sugar sites where you get "matches"? Never heard of that.
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Warrior15
4 years ago
Seeking.com has girls looking for all kinds of arrangements. I get Favorited all the time by women want to meet the love of their life. They aren't looking for money. Now these tend to be the less desirable women. Maybe a "curvy" for me or a little older than what I"m looking for. But if I wanted an age-appropriate woman, I could find one on Seeking fairly easy. But then again, who wants to find an age-appropriate date ?
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Subraman
4 years ago
Seeking doesn't have "matches", so I'm not sure what's being compared. An SD puts in search parameters, does a search, and gets hundreds or thousands of women back who meet the search parameters, but that's not a "match" the way many dating sites mean it. Similarly, you can go on match.com, put in search parameters, do a search, and get hundreds or thousands of women back -- again, not really a "match", just a bunch of women who meet the search parameters. The difference, of course, is when you start messaging all these women.
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founder
4 years ago
I could add this to tuscl. I like it.

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Lone_Wolf
4 years ago
OP - what does the $100 skip the line mean?

It is the difference between paying for pussy or begging for pussy. Always easier to pay.
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JamesSD
4 years ago
Honestly something doesn't add up. Attractive dudes on tinder get matches. They may not lead to dates.

Social proof has always gone a long way in dating. It's why lots of people still meet through friends or work.
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prevert
4 years ago
The difference is money. Tinder and the others are dating sites with no money expected to be involved. SA is all about the money no matter what some people might say. If it weren’t for the money most of those women wouldn’t be there.
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Beat100
4 years ago
@founde
Thanks, l'm glad What do you mean? You mean like adding a sugar dating section where SD's and SB's could meet/mingle? That'll be very cool since I always wanted to meet dancers.
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Beat100
4 years ago
\@sub
I think you have very insightful posts. But I'll have to disagree with you on this one. In seeking here is a "favorite me" section where if the SD and the SB each like each other it will say a match. Moreover, when a SD has a strong profile the SB's will favorite his profile. Hence the case of my friend he got tons of favorites and it was easy for him to start messaging, the girls also messaged him with "hey" or "what's up"
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Muddy
4 years ago
I don't even favoriting on there what's the point?
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Subraman
4 years ago
Beat, I get favorited on Seeking also, but as far as the women who favorite me, a more loathesome rogue's gallery I have never seen. More seriously, pretty universally the "hey" and "whats up" initial messages are useless, often escorts or other undesirables (well, unless you desire an escort), and we all get favorited but again, often escorts, women far away, scammers, online sex girls, etc. You're reading waaaay too much into favorites and low-effort initial contacts. But, of course, the overall point -- that attractive young women will message us back -- is definitely more true on SA than on Tinder for most people
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JamesSD
4 years ago
It hilarious to me that on seeking girls make the same mistakes guys make on regular dating sites
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Cashman1234
4 years ago
I think the difference is obvious - it’s money.

Tinder is a hookup site and SA is a sugar site.

The girls on Tinder are most likely going to be pushing their paid content - to make money. This is a hookup site - where both parties are interested in getting together.

SA adds money into the criteria for the guy. This makes the guy - if he has money - immediately match with a good number of girls simply because of money.
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Beat100
4 years ago
@heaving
I'm not sure what you are getting at. I see myself as an advocate if my friend Will is getting no results from an app, what I'm advocating is for him to delete it and move to a place that give him results. I'm less interested in trying to figure out what's the "right way" relationships ought to be. Maybe the "right way" is for most guys to get nothing I'm I uspposed to accept. Also I'm not complaining I'm merely advocating for friends to, "Go where they are treated best."
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Beat100
4 years ago
@2ICEE
That's one way of looking at it.
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Icee Loco (asshole)
4 years ago
Cd beat whatever thats the only way of looking at it. The dynamic on a site where guys look for p4p is going to ve different from an actual dating site.

Although women on dating sites are usually very undesirable
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