Detroit, and it depends on which club it is. Some clubs restrict smoking to one area while others don't care and will let you smoke anywhere in the club. It is the latter that I am not a fan of.
I do not smoke so I don't care for it. It makes my clothes and skin stink from the smell. My routine after leaving a club is to wash all the clothes I wore and take a shower to get rid if they smell. I don't wash jackets but keep it away from most people or have an extra jacket so that other non smokers and myself don't have to smell it. It still smells for a few days like smoke.
The Flight Club has a smoking bar upstairs and I thought that was the only place smoking was allowed. But last week a couple guys were smoking cigars downstairs. When I complained to management, I was told you could smoke cigars downstairs but cigarettes were confined to the upstairs bar. I was not happy.
I enjoy a good cigar with my whiskey, truth is most of the smaller clubs get too smoky but the better clubs have scrubbers (smoke eaters) in their a/c and really don’t smell that strong.
Throughout central and southern New Jersey, and smoking in clubs is banned here. It's still allowed across the river in Pennsylvania, though.
I'm a non-smoker but I still think it should be left up to the club owners to decide for themselves. If it were still allowed, my guess is that the low-end dive bars would allow it while the high-end clubs would not. And what's so wrong with that?
I used to be a smoker and avoided clubs were it was not permitted. Back then the Platinum Plus club in Columbia SC smoking was prohibited by law but went on anyhow. Management philosophy was "Fuck it. We'll pay the fine". So early one evening the smoking police raided the club and I along with a dozen other customers got cited for smoking. I was unfortunately in the men's room when the club picked up all of the ash trays except the one on my table and the fuzz came in. The citation cost me $25. Smoking continued in the club until just a few months ago. Of course it burned down last week.
I do think second-hand smoke is probably harmful for people who are constantly exposed to it in significant quantities. It doesn't seem to be nearly as harmful as smoking itself, but yes, it's still probably bad for you. (To be clear, that's just my opinion, based on anecdotal observation, casual reading, and common sense - it's not as though I did a peer-reviewed study on the effects of second-hand smoke.)
I'm exposed to some second-hand smoke in well-ventilated buildings probably 4 times a year at most - basically whenever I visit Atlantic City. At levels that low, I'm 100% positive that it isn't harming me. Does it harm the people who work there? I don't know. But I do know that no one puts a gun to anyone's head to force them to work at a casino.
70 years ago, when people generally weren't aware of the harmful effects of smoking, perhaps a ban on smoking in public places would have saved some lives. Who knows? But of course, there were few places where smoking was banned back then. I mean, you probably could have smoked in a hospital in 1950!
Today, by comparison, people are very much aware of the harmful effects of smoking. And there are widespread smoking bans in public places... which probably aren't saving any lives at all. Why? Because people already know that smoking is deadly and smoking rates are therefore falling off a cliff. Plus most modern businesses don't allow smoking on their premises even when there's no law against it. The government is only as smart as its people. Common sense, right? After all, the government is run by people, not by aliens or robots. And that's why laws and legislation are such lagging indicators.
Anyway, like I said, if they repealed the smoking ban in my state, I believe that some clubs would allow it and others wouldn't. And I would be fine with that. But I could be wrong. Maybe they would all suddenly allow smoking and everyone would light up and smoke like a chimney... in which case I would stop going to clubs so often. Hell, I might even save some money and form some actual relationships! Either way, it wouldn't be the end of the world.
One club that I know in S. Florida doesn't allow cigar smoking.
One funny story on this. When I was in Atlanta I went to The Cheetah. I went in and sat at the bar. Asked the bartender if cigar smoking was OK. "Yes sir". He broke out a nice ash tray, cutters, and lighters. Was very impressed. Then I noticed a second bar. I paid and tipped him then headed to the other bar. I sat down and the barmaid smoking wasn't allowed. When I recounted my "other bar" encounter, her response was that I can't smoke where she is because she is allergic to smoke. I told her, well, it seems you are in the wrong profession. Being a newbie in the club I moved to another section. I didn't stick around for more than the one drink since the dancer I wanted to see was out sick that evening. A real wasted trip. I could have stayed at Follies!!! :(
Atlanta. Allowed. In some counties, any business can allow smoking if they restrict customers to 21 and up. There used to be a sports bar near me that was like that, so it was perfect cover for why i came home smelling like smoke. Now, I can say I just found another, although I haven't yet.
@shadowcat "Buy 3 or more dances and take some hits off my blunt while I'm dancing" seems to be a new marketing trend I'm running in to at Follies.
@verybigdawg "Do strippers smoke more than the PLs in the club? My experience is yes"
At Oasis, most of the time it is ONLY the strippers that are smoking. Open weed smoking would make that place a lot more fun.
Reminds me of a question I've been meaning to ask: could you mix weed with aromatic pipe tobacco before making a blunt to make it look/smell a little more like a hand rolled cigar?
I think it was the Yellow Rose in Austin, Texas, December. It was damn cold to this S. Florida boy. Anyway, sitting with this dancer, she said she was going outside to smoke. Didn't know at that time people did that. So I say, your nuts, I say it's COLD! She says yeah, but I have to smoke. That's bad. "Have" to smoke?
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Nothing is allowed here. Soon to come is a tax for breathing.
There is an outside patio /lounge area for smoking or dancers can also smoke out front. I don't smoke.
Follow up question: Do strippers smoke more than the PLs in the club? My experience is yes.
I'm a non-smoker but I still think it should be left up to the club owners to decide for themselves. If it were still allowed, my guess is that the low-end dive bars would allow it while the high-end clubs would not. And what's so wrong with that?
That's very libertarian of you :)
Do you not believe second-hand smoke is harmful, or do you think it's more of a perpetuated myth?
I do think second-hand smoke is probably harmful for people who are constantly exposed to it in significant quantities. It doesn't seem to be nearly as harmful as smoking itself, but yes, it's still probably bad for you. (To be clear, that's just my opinion, based on anecdotal observation, casual reading, and common sense - it's not as though I did a peer-reviewed study on the effects of second-hand smoke.)
I'm exposed to some second-hand smoke in well-ventilated buildings probably 4 times a year at most - basically whenever I visit Atlantic City. At levels that low, I'm 100% positive that it isn't harming me. Does it harm the people who work there? I don't know. But I do know that no one puts a gun to anyone's head to force them to work at a casino.
70 years ago, when people generally weren't aware of the harmful effects of smoking, perhaps a ban on smoking in public places would have saved some lives. Who knows? But of course, there were few places where smoking was banned back then. I mean, you probably could have smoked in a hospital in 1950!
Today, by comparison, people are very much aware of the harmful effects of smoking. And there are widespread smoking bans in public places... which probably aren't saving any lives at all. Why? Because people already know that smoking is deadly and smoking rates are therefore falling off a cliff. Plus most modern businesses don't allow smoking on their premises even when there's no law against it. The government is only as smart as its people. Common sense, right? After all, the government is run by people, not by aliens or robots. And that's why laws and legislation are such lagging indicators.
Anyway, like I said, if they repealed the smoking ban in my state, I believe that some clubs would allow it and others wouldn't. And I would be fine with that. But I could be wrong. Maybe they would all suddenly allow smoking and everyone would light up and smoke like a chimney... in which case I would stop going to clubs so often. Hell, I might even save some money and form some actual relationships! Either way, it wouldn't be the end of the world.
One club that I know in S. Florida doesn't allow cigar smoking.
One funny story on this. When I was in Atlanta I went to The Cheetah. I went in and sat at the bar. Asked the bartender if cigar smoking was OK. "Yes sir". He broke out a nice ash tray, cutters, and lighters. Was very impressed. Then I noticed a second bar. I paid and tipped him then headed to the other bar. I sat down and the barmaid smoking wasn't allowed. When I recounted my "other bar" encounter, her response was that I can't smoke where she is because she is allergic to smoke. I told her, well, it seems you are in the wrong profession. Being a newbie in the club I moved to another section. I didn't stick around for more than the one drink since the dancer I wanted to see was out sick that evening. A real wasted trip. I could have stayed at Follies!!! :(
@shadowcat "Buy 3 or more dances and take some hits off my blunt while I'm dancing" seems to be a new marketing trend I'm running in to at Follies.
@verybigdawg "Do strippers smoke more than the PLs in the club? My experience is yes"
At Oasis, most of the time it is ONLY the strippers that are smoking. Open weed smoking would make that place a lot more fun.
Reminds me of a question I've been meaning to ask: could you mix weed with aromatic pipe tobacco before making a blunt to make it look/smell a little more like a hand rolled cigar?
So I guess clubs in Austin, no smoking inside.