Ok I had an experience with a stripper today and I need some help figuring this one out. She is not really one of my regular girls but I have done dances with her about 3 times in the last month, so maybe she is heading that way. She is young (19) and kind of a poor mans John smith special. not a 9 or 10 but a solid 8. So we went back to do LD's and did 3. I gave her $60 and she said we did 4 instead of 3. So I can count to 3! I was about to writhe her off as a ROB and be done with her. Then she usually works 12-6 mondays and tuesdays and maybe after work sometime we can go to dinner. OK? So my question's are did this girl actually think that we did 4 songs and is just initialing OTC now? I was about to be done with her but you gotta respect a young girl that is open to some form of OTC and its a plus if she brings it up first. What do you make of this?
I have quit trying to understand strippers or their behavior – I just go w/ the flow – if she gives good-service; I reciprocate accordingly ($$$) – if she’s acting flaky or trying to ROB me; I either correct the situation or don’t deal w/ her.
Best way to deal w/ strippers is to be straight-forward – they are too flaky to just leave things “to work themselves out” – she could have miscounted by accident – she may just have been trying to see if she can get away w/ the extra-song and if yes cool w/ her and if no then in her mind she at least tried – so she could be trying to over-count to see if she can get away w/o you noticing and if not no biggie in her mind she may still want to do OTC.
I normally but lots of dances and thus hate to be over-counted; that’s why I make it a habit these days to tell the dancer every time she is starting a new song that way I can keep count and she knows I’m keeping count
No idea what she's up to. I do think sometimes the girls legitimately lose count, but more often than not, it's a ripoff. And if so, "maybe after work sometime we can go to dinner" is just something she says to calm you down since she can tell you're irritated -- and intrigues you and gets you spending even more after you've been ripped off. Perhaps "Sometime" will miraculously never happen... but you'll keep spending money on her, thinking it's an investment and that the dinner will materialize.
If you can get past the 4-for-3 counting, and truly want to play things out, my strong advice is: arrange that the next time you're there, do not give her more than one more chance, THAT is the "sometime" you'll go to dinner afterwards. If she puts it off or flakes, chalk this one up to: "I got ripped off, I fell for her line about dinner, then I paid more to her like a sucker, then I got my just desserts. Two mistakes in a row, I'm done." On the other hand, if you manage to pull off dinner or OTC, awesome! If you got good vibes or just want to ride it out, no harm pursuing her one last time, but draw the line in the sand there ... no excuses, if there's no OTC, move on.
BTW, for me it's definitely almost never a "plus" that the girl brings it up first, that's one of the signs I look for to avoid her and move on, but that's just me, we all have our own experiences we're chasing
Even when I do that the hardcore ROBs may still try to over-count – usually they’ll just tell me it’s a new song vs saying this is #2; this is #3 – so at the end even if they tell me whenever a new song starts; some may still say “we did 4”.
I also have had some tell me it’s a new song when it’s obvious it’s the same song playing.
Still – I get better results telling them to let me know every time they start a new song.
I used to immediately blackball strippers that tried to rip me off – but now a days I give them a 2nd chance b/c strippers being so flaky/unpredictable means one visit can be shitty and the next-one they can blow your mind (and other things) – but if her pattern is her being mostly a shitty/ROB dancer then onto the blacklist she goes – some strippers will sometimes try to rip you off a little extra and then they will correct course when they realize you as a custy know what you are doing and they cannot get away w/ shit w/ you.
Sounds like she was backpeddling to make sure that you weren't pissed about her overcounting and blurted out that line about dinner. A little damage control on her part. Whether she meant it or not is up to you to find out.
Sounds like an honest mistake (either her count or your count). People are only humans and humans make mistakes. To me $20 isn't worth the argument. Agree with lopaw. See where it goes.
It wasn't my mistake. As I stated I can count to 3...LoL the question is was it an honest mistake on her part and she's now trying to initialize OTC or as some have said maybe she's just trying to ease the pain and keep me coming back. I'll find out!
Women are crazy and unprecditable. I have stopped trying to understand women.
I ignored a hot woman I work with for months who I have always wanted to hook up with.
It drove her nuts that I wasn't chasing her. Now, she says hi to me all of the time.
Crazy behavior. Thank God for porn and an opposable thumb.
I've had dancers who over counted songs our first time go on to become reliable regulars. While it was possibly an honest mistake, I think they were just trying to get all they could the first time, assuming that I was a one and done customer. When I returned I assume they saw the long term benefits of not ripping me off any more so I stayed with them.
But this is rare. For most girls once a ROB always a ROB.
This was about my forth time doing dances with her. And she works day shift so she needs all the regulars she can get. I guess I'm trying to give her the benifit of the doubt. I think maybe she had visions of OTC in the future and threw it out there early to smooth things over.
-->" I think maybe she had visions of OTC in the future and threw it out there early to smooth things over. "
I think she's effortlessly manipulated you. I DO think there's a chance that the bad dance count was an honest mistake, and the OTC offer arose organically or as a peace offering. But you've already internalized that as the reason, when the MUCH greater probability is that it was a conscious act, and she threw OTC out there to get your mind off the fact that she just stole from you, and get you to keep spending for a while (at least until you realize the OTC won't ever happen).
Anyway, as I said above: there IS a chance it was an innocent mistake followed by a genuine offer, so I wouldn't give you any flack for pursuing. But you're just getting played if she keeps finding excuses not to do that OTC ... arrange it for next time, and hit the eject button on her seat if she finds excuses why she can't.
Probably was an honest mistake. Had one I've done dances with on multiple visits over count by 1 dance, saw I was upset, and started to apologize and trying to seduce me to ease it over. We've done dances since and hasn't happened again.
@supraman Don't worry i won't continue to pursue her thinking the OTC will happen when it won't. I mean she is hot enough but not as hot or having as good a personality as my CF by a long shot. I may mention something along the lines of "we should have that bite to eat you talked about". And if she stings me along at all I'd be done with her at that point. If she thinks different she is in for a surprise.
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Best way to deal w/ strippers is to be straight-forward – they are too flaky to just leave things “to work themselves out” – she could have miscounted by accident – she may just have been trying to see if she can get away w/ the extra-song and if yes cool w/ her and if no then in her mind she at least tried – so she could be trying to over-count to see if she can get away w/o you noticing and if not no biggie in her mind she may still want to do OTC.
I normally but lots of dances and thus hate to be over-counted; that’s why I make it a habit these days to tell the dancer every time she is starting a new song that way I can keep count and she knows I’m keeping count
If you can get past the 4-for-3 counting, and truly want to play things out, my strong advice is: arrange that the next time you're there, do not give her more than one more chance, THAT is the "sometime" you'll go to dinner afterwards. If she puts it off or flakes, chalk this one up to: "I got ripped off, I fell for her line about dinner, then I paid more to her like a sucker, then I got my just desserts. Two mistakes in a row, I'm done." On the other hand, if you manage to pull off dinner or OTC, awesome! If you got good vibes or just want to ride it out, no harm pursuing her one last time, but draw the line in the sand there ... no excuses, if there's no OTC, move on.
BTW, for me it's definitely almost never a "plus" that the girl brings it up first, that's one of the signs I look for to avoid her and move on, but that's just me, we all have our own experiences we're chasing
I also have had some tell me it’s a new song when it’s obvious it’s the same song playing.
Still – I get better results telling them to let me know every time they start a new song.
I ignored a hot woman I work with for months who I have always wanted to hook up with.
It drove her nuts that I wasn't chasing her. Now, she says hi to me all of the time.
Crazy behavior. Thank God for porn and an opposable thumb.
But this is rare. For most girls once a ROB always a ROB.
I would proceed very cautiously if at all.
I think she's effortlessly manipulated you. I DO think there's a chance that the bad dance count was an honest mistake, and the OTC offer arose organically or as a peace offering. But you've already internalized that as the reason, when the MUCH greater probability is that it was a conscious act, and she threw OTC out there to get your mind off the fact that she just stole from you, and get you to keep spending for a while (at least until you realize the OTC won't ever happen).
Anyway, as I said above: there IS a chance it was an innocent mistake followed by a genuine offer, so I wouldn't give you any flack for pursuing. But you're just getting played if she keeps finding excuses not to do that OTC ... arrange it for next time, and hit the eject button on her seat if she finds excuses why she can't.