Comments by david56644643

I accidentally posted that and it's incoherent jumble where I wasn't sure where I was going with it. But yes I am twentyfive. In the end In the end a stripper is a woman (most likely a damaged one that lacks something in their life). She told me about every single one of her relationships, and every single one of her relationships the men have been controlling/manipulative. Why can't you flip the script on a stripper for your own benefit, especially knowing their insecurities? All women are the same, no?

So is it fair to say that an OTC relationship is always the primary focus is money I'm going to spit some thoughts out because this is actually an intriguing hobby and I like discussion, so why not. Okay - so we're all in agreement the relation to her is money first. Pretty much the text book definition of a stripper at the heart. So it got me thinking about this unusual OTC experience I had with CLEAR attraction. Okay maybe that's not unusual (attraction), because if a stripper is doing OTC with someone there probably has to be some form of attraction in the first place. Now what does that mean? Not a damn thing because she's a stripper and I'm paying regardless if she is attracted to me. Attraction doesn't apply like it would in a traditional relationship, because this isn't one. But I do believe women are prone to certain behaviors, and are capable @k - I think we are on the same page. I'm not saying texting isn't a valuable tool, because it's a great tool if used wisely.

Alright, I literally posted that an hour after she left, so presumably I was still filled with lust I guess. Now that I've gotten some sleep, you guys are correct in saying that a relationship is not possible. 100% will never happen, nor do I want that to happen, forget I asked that. Now my question for you experienced OTC'ers is if I want to maintain this to be a monthly event while keeping the "connection" and completely eliminating ITC all together, do I have to maintain some personal communication with her through texting? I'm talking very-very occasionally, as for one I learned long ago texting is a gigantic waste of time. I feel like though I just can't flat out not text her, or the risk of being "dropped" is higher right? Like if your presence is not occasionally known, you would think a stripper could easily forget about you completely in a week. Thoughts on this? Or would scheduling another OTC experience whenever the fuck I want be fine?

Alright guys, last and final update from me, coming at you at 6 am in the morning. First text I sent her today when I manned up: Hey *cute nickname we gave each other*, do you offer anything outside the club? Hotel date? Or something of that kind. I understand your time is valuable, just thought I’d ask’ Her response: ‘sounds like a great idea! Tonight would work for me! 12:30 work?’ (Military time) My response: ’8:30 pm? Sure. To be clear you understand what I mean by hotel date right ? Not your sugar daddy’s ideas of a hotel date lol. Not overnight as well, $300 fair ? I’ll text you location soonish’ - she told me itc that she has a sugar who rents two separate rooms, no sex lol. my response: - 8:30 pm? Sure. To be clear you understand what I mean by hotel date right ? Not your sugar daddy’s ideas of a hotel date lol. Not overnight as well, $300 fair ? I’ll text you location soonish’ Her: ’Sounds good’ So I book the hotel room, and get ready for this sudden 2 hour window I had to get ready. I show up to the hotel, and send her the location but with no room number. I also text her the location, but no room number and say text me when you are here and I’ll meet you in the lobby. She shows up at 8:17 and I still can’t believe how the rest of the night went down from here. First we go back to the room and get drinks in the hotel lobby. We sit and chat for a bit and it was definitely the same vibe/chemistry we had in the club. We head back to the room and that’s when the action begins. Everything I expected and more, well not quite, because I literally thought it was going to be a quick fuck and that would be the end of it, she would leave and I even had other plans for the night. Well let’s just sum up that she literally ended up leaving at 5:30 in the morning! I had a complete total of 9 hours with her lol! Complete GFE experience, literally fucked 4-5x times, and we talked and talked, watched the tv in the room and laughed together with each other for a combined laughing total of 3 hours honestly. We had complete chemistry, ‘Why are we like this?’ She asked, and I was wondering the same damn thing. Based on my reading on this forum, I believe this is far from the norm. Now the realization hits that she’s a stripper, so I’m trying to refrain from feels and keep the mindset that she isn’t mine, it was just my turn. For $300 I still had an amazing time, and I think the lesson here is don’t be a bitch, don’t assume things, and bring straight forward is your best bet if you want OTC. Not sure what this will lead to, if anything, but this was the ultimate confidence boost to a 24 year old that managed to pull a complete beauty from the club. Thanks guys, most of you had some valuable insight and it definitely helped me further this. Now I no longer will be in the club wasting money, at least for now!

@k you are 100% correct. Was straight forward and I'm seeing her tonight for some fun. Thanks guys!!

Ok guys - I texted her about OTC. She responded "that sounds like a great idea! - tonight works for me" . Fuck how do I proceed from here? I said "hotel date" how do I specify for sex and price? Just be straight forward?

Okay fuck it, I'm going to text her about OTC right now. There's a language barrier, her English isn't the greatest so its hard to make out what she meant. Like "You could of called me, it would of been a different experience!" - was verbatim though, but I took that as "Well if you called me, it would of got my attention and I could of headed over to the club" not in "call me and we could of met somewhere else" or something along those lines. Going to stop assuming and be direct, I'll post an update after she responds to this text.

jackslash - Thank you for the reponse, good to know. I will keep that in mind going forward. skibum609 - Hey thanks for the response as well, to be honest there all no "losses", I enjoyed my time it was money well spent. I understand the relationship between a customer and a stripper, so I was not so "attached" to begin with, I just wanted some other opinions on the matter twentyfive - true that! K - All of that seems definitively true. You're right about the blood incident, but yes you are correct on the "anything but money" issue as well. I just see it as a business transaction, and she just happened to have bad business (the part I don't like about this) DrStab - I actually agree with you, that is my strat and she has texted me three times back to back this morning. I believe following any RP philosophy will work on a women, since AWALT. ATACdawg - I love how this board can't make up it's mind. You either can't get OTC without 3-4 visits (what I've seen a decent amount on here), or your san jose guy making out with strippers in the front room. I do actually agree establishing rapport for OTC is important, that is the route I went. Yes, dances are a chumps game, but if you don't play a game a little I doubt you are getting OTC. JimmyMcNulty - Agreed. Maybe I should have been more direct, but once again I've been lurking this forum, and everyone has said being direct in terms of appointments/times gives all the power to her and shows that SHE IS YOURS only. She is not mine only, I don't want a stripper "owning me", and I feel like I don't need to text her letting her know I'm 10 minutes away from the club/etc. Papi_Chulo - Definitely not, I wanted to get some others opinions. on the matter especially those that are veterans. I'm not here to troll. Estafador - That is a fair point, there was NO direct confirmation of date/time, but you have look at the context of the situation. I'm strictly business, I thought her texting me were all signs that she was looking for someone to come in that night. I believe she actually did end up coming back that night, as I received a text around the clubs closing time. Regardless, yes going forward direct confirmation might be the key, but I've lurked this forum and you will find many posts from veterans on why that's a bad idea. I followed that advice. wyohio - Good post, thanks for the tips. I will keep all that in mind going forward. DeclinetoState - I've commented on the direct confirmation issue in a couple of posts above. Yes, that's one way to do it. But yes, the club situation wasn't on her I was just spelling out why I was sort of done with that club to begin with. I swear though if you browse this forum, you will find a decent amount of posts telling you not to be the guy to "schedule" set times with her or what ever. Elmder Fudd - Thank you and yes so far world of strippers and escorts isn't so bright after all (who would of known right? ;)). In the end you are correct though, its all about YOU having fun and not letting SS get to ya. Thanks for the post Subraman - Okay fair enough. Good points and good advice, lesson learned. But yes her not texting back is the issue, why the fuck do you even text me "So does the rain make you lazy as well?" with zero follow up. I'm not here to text back and fourth, I want to know when you're working. rickdugan - No I didn't expect her to "wait patiently" for me. I used my insight on the situation and everything surrounding it to make a decision to drive up. She was there, she went to get food and didn't return until way later (she texted me around the time the club closed, so that's what I think actually happened). So I wasn't too off the mark with my insight, what I was off about was that she's a stripper and doesn't play by normal rules. To update the situation, around ~2am (around the time the club closes), I received a text that said: "I want to see you". I responded later saying that I don't think I'll be returning to the club anymore in a polite way, explaining why (not her part, but the club incidents). She responds with a laughing emoji and "Okay", lol... She then texts me this morning with "Good morning handsome, I hope you are over what happened last night. You could have called me and it would of been a different kind of experience! What girl did you have a dance with?" . No, I don't think calling her would of changed anything lol. I'll chalk this one up as a lost because I have no interest of doing ITC with her anymore, OTC is unlikely now as well. Oh well lets keep it moving

I think this is the plan, but doesn't her actions (asking her MONDAY if shes working this week, not texting me back on the same literal day she initiated contact , "going to get food" where she probably said fuck it clubs gonna be dead anyway tonight and not returning, and giving up a huge night ITC) scream red flags? As in the OTC's experiences could have these issues? I was thinking of ghosting her texts for a couple of days (to gauge if shes apologetic/etc) and if I get that she realized she also messed up (through her texts), then use your message/arrange OTC. I just want to make it clear what she did wasn't cool without directly telling her. If she doesn't realize this I don't want OTC with her anyway.