Comments by JoeXYZZ

@Papi_Chulo I see what you are talking about on this point. I myself may not even be grasping it because perhaps I want IT to BE something that it is NOT. I am not experienced in the SC field, as you can tell,..I have had regular GF's and even had some of those GF's for a kind of long relationship, but that was regular dating and hook ups, and I guess that doesn't work in this situation. IT IS DIFFERENT and, I guess I might reluctantly be starting to get that point, but still might make mistakes even with that point in mind. What about this, let's say I AM DOWN for OTC hook ups with some kind of agreement where I also spend $$ on her ITC and $ for various "dating" activities. I guess the point is that kind of "dating" will NOT turn in to at some point something like..Free OTC sex (like friends with benefits) or even regular bf/gf relationship. A bf/gf relationship will probably NOT develop at any point unless I stop spending that amount.. and try to pursue her anyway, at which point obviously she might NOT be down and REJECT it. Actually she might even reject OTC even with $ involved I suppose I don't know

@JohnSmith69 Wow great reply, great points, thanks for taking the time for the insightful and informative reply. I see what you mean and to that point I am probably spending more than many since this is a mid-range club byob. I am 28 single, disposable income, and willing to spend it ITC as heard. She is 20 which to me, just seems young to be doing the SC thing, but I know I may be way off base here, I know it is just my mind set, I realize that is probably not unusual at all to be a 20 yr old hot ass stripper. Maybe I am too nice/naive maybe I am in over my head, maybe I think spending money on her like that just contributes to her lifestyle which she may regret..It sounds ridiculous perhaps, since it is her choice and (I now may be venturing in to a category of ethics or morals) but that is how I feel, I could be completely off base here, and only saying this because I have an emotional attachment which was in and of itself created only ITC not in civilian dating and need to realize this is quite different.. I just don't know, I do know how it felt good for those dances and the possibility of more escalation

So a scenario where ITC is direct payment for SC dances and OTC is free hook ups and indirect payment by means of paying for any date/hanging out activities and fun and perhaps an occasional gift necklace, bracelet.....

@Papi_Chulo so enjoy it for what it is and if she wants to fuck then OK if not then whatever. What about a scenario like OTC free sex but not really because due to that OTC free sex I will return to the club to spend a bunch of money kind of like an indirect exchange. I am saying this in terms of an agreement of sorts.

@Papi_Chulo. Thanks for the reply and yeah I see a lot of what your points are. Maybe I should just stop dropping a bunch of money and see if I could get her to hook up, and if not, and she's not interested then OK, whatever. Move on. And if she is interested pursue it for hook ups and mutual fun times

@Subraman- what do you think about this.. I don't necessarily care about forking over some money for ITC time, yes probably less would be better, but if I could get it down to less, but also have that ITC time to be accompanied by OTC hook ups for free I think I would be OK with that. If that is even a possibility I suppose. I imagine she would have to like me somewhat to consider that too. I know it doesn't mean anything but she gave me her number.. of course I know that this could just equal (come see me at the club on a slow day!) And her FB again I know it doesn't mean much probably I would guess. So a scenario where ITC is direct payment for SC dances and OTC is free hook ups and indirect payment by means of paying for any date/hanging out activities and fun and perhaps an occasional gift necklace, bracelet.

@Subraman- Awesome reply thank you very much, seriously your reply is detailed and insightful and gives me things to think about. And the kiss thing is an interesting point, if she's not down then maybe it will be like a dose of reality like wtf are you doing she's not down. (The tearing a regular-in-love apart) is also a good point and I'm wary of that as well. One more thing you mentioned, you may be right I might be too emotionally attached, as I think paying her for her time in the club is business but would tend to think, even if it costs less, that straight up paying OTC without a relationship would be too much like she doesn't mean anything to me. So I might be emotionally attached I guess @Subraman again, thanks for taking the time to reply!

@ranukam- yeah that's what I was thinking, could be awkward, but maybe could just shrug it off.. @motorhead- good question actually, I would say date for free with the implication being to pay for all dating related activities and maybe giving occasional gifts.